As background, we got Jesse about a year and a half ago from a shelter, so we're not sure at all about his background. For the most part, he's a happy, friendly dog, if anything more reticent and shy than aggressive. He has growled a few times at us, but usually when he's woken up from a nap to move (like when he's lying in my spot in the bed). For awhile, we had a group of friends coming to the house, and there was one person that he actively disliked, and he was very unfriendly towards that person. In that environment, he did snap at this person and one other person that was over (two different occasions, but both involving picking something up from the floor).
Needless to say, we were worried about having a baby in the house with this history. However, once we stopped having that particular group over, everything seemed fine. Until tonite...
Brian was crawling on the floor, and to be honest, I'm not exactly sure what happened, I just know that I heard a growl, and I looked down and it looked like Bri's head was in Jesse's mouth... now I know that if Jesse had wanted to bite, he easily could have, but that sight was one of my worst nightmares come true. Brian screamed for a little while after the incident, but he's fine now. Dan and I are scarred, though!
I don't want to get rid of the dog, I love him, but yes, I love Brian more. I'd love to be able to get training for the dog, but right now, we're flat broke, so unless someone is out there that does pro bono dog therapy, I don't think it's an option. It breaks my heart to think that Jesse might have to go through another transition in his life. But I'm also terrified of it happening again, and with worse results.
Is there anyone out there with any advice? I'd love to hear it....
I'd find him a new home pronto, before something worse happens. Even if you started training him, the effects won't be immediate and something else could happen.
Unassisted birthing, atheist, poly, bi WOHM to 4 wonderful, smart homeschooling kids Wes (14) Seth (7) Pandora Moonlilly (2) and Nevermore Stargazer (11/2012) Married to awesome SAH DH.
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one thing i wanted to tell you is to tell the people who you send the dog to about its history. you dont want to have someone else experience the same thing. if the shelter knows the dog doesnt get along with kids, they will make sure the home he goes to doesnt have children.
i have a Simese cat (very expensive cat that we took from a friend b/c of her allergies) that i need to get rid of before our babies birth. She is not friendly at all and doesn't get along with the other cats (we have 2 others) and doesn't get along with the other kids. all she likes is to sit on our lap and be pet. that worries me b/c babies are unpredictable and im worried about her scratching, etc. She's given me a bunch of deep scratches when she has gotten scared.
at least feel grateful that nothing more happened and you learned this early.
|Brian was crawling on the floor, and to be honest, I'm not exactly sure what happened,|
Get a baby gate & keep the CRAWLING babe away from the dog. they need their own space.
I have 3 GSDs that I would trust with my life but they are never alone with my toddler.
I will write more later & I'm not in favor of booting the dog yet as you did not mention the
2-any training the dog had/has?
3- you so not know the circumstance if the incident... right now my DS likes to puts his fingers in everyones EYES & push.. he does this to the dogs. & of course they would react
|For awhile, we had a group of friends coming to the house, and there was one person that he actively disliked, and he was very unfriendly towards that person. In that environment, he did snap at this person and one other person that was over (two different occasions, but both involving picking something up from the floor).|
We need more of the Professional dog folks weighing in on this.
I will write more later.
We went through something similar with a rescue dog. Rare occurances of snapping, one previous incident of biting (only two weeks after we brought him home from the SPCA, we chalked it up to he hadn't been home long enough to acclimate). He was great with Talia... until she surprised him one night when he was focussed on "hunting" (he was stalking a mouse he heard in the wall, and was very intently focussed on it). He turned like a whip and bit her in the face.
After the first time he bit, long before we had kids, folks on a breed list (breeders and rescuers) were adamant that we should euthanize him. Once a biter, always a biter, they said. I didn't believe it. We worked like mad with him, training him. We turned from an undisciplined maniac into a seriously disciplined, loving dog. People who'd known him the whole time we had him, including folks with years of training background and a friend who worked with dogs as a psychology grad student, were honestly amazed by what a great dog he became. Then, he growled and attacked my daughter... My opinion changed.
Believe me, it still hurts my heart to think about having put that dog down. And it makes me shake to recommend it to other people. But I don't think it's safe or reasonable to do otherwise. You would be legally and morally responsible if that dog bites someone else if you rehome him. Furthermore, there are *so* many dogs that are put down daily who would make good, loving, safe pets. How is it ethical to keep around an animal who is *known* to be a danger, while killing three animals who are safer? In a perfect world, where there are enough homes for every dog out there, it would be reasonable to try to find a safe home for a dog with aggressive issues. But in a world there just isn't enough room for the dogs that are already here, it's not rational to keep a dog who is already known to be dangerous.
Flame away, I know it's coming. It always comes down to that on these threads...
eta: for those who question how my dog had the chance to bite Talia, I was two feet away watching, and she literally brushed against him in passing. She didn't jump on him, grab him, try to play with him. She simply brushed against his haunch while walking toward me, while I was standing nearby. He spun and bit, I kicked him away. Only time I've ever kicked an animal...
Interestingly, my instinct wasn't to care for her, it was to protect her - my animal instinct was to chase that dog as far away from her as possible, I chased him upstairs to the farthest room of the house, then returned to see how she was faring.
My dog growled at my younger son just yesterday. I was right in the same room. Many of you would hear that and say "Get rid if the dog, now."
What you wouldn't know is that my younger son had been teasing her, even after I repeatedly asked him to stop. She let him know the only way she knew how that she had enough. I was fortunate to be there, and removed the dog from the room that my son was in, so she could have her own space, and he could calm down.
I know that tragedies involving dogs and children happeen every day. But I also know that many of these tragedies are preventable, both by properly supervising the dog/child interaction, and proper training of the dog.
If these very important rules aren't followed, then, really, any home with small children is not safe with a dog, regardless of the breed.
Yuo have to be very committed and steadfast in your supervision and training, This includes teaching the child, once they are old enough to understand, that they need to be gentle, and respect a dog. Obviously a toddler or a child even younger is not able to do this, and in my case, obviously they won't always listen..but that is when it is the responsibility of the adults to supervise and direct the situation.
I am sorry you are hurting, and I hope you do not take this as a flame, because it isn't. Really, it is just my usual lecture on dogs, children, and the pros and cons of the two. I would be heartbroken if I had to give away my dog, but I would be devasted if she bit my son. And truthfully, I do not know what I would do, and admit I may have a different reaction, if my dog had actually snapped yesteerday, rather than merely growled. The scary part is, because I am always in the same room as my child and the dog, I am sure that is what prevented that from happening. What if, in a different circumstance, I was not in the same room. Sigh..it is so hard.
Until you can find the dog a new home, the dog and your child cannot be together, even under supervision.
The dog has to be rehomed if you cannot find a way to keep the dog out of the house, day and night, and never let the child and the dog come into contact with each other.
We used to do dog rescue, and we still have four dogs left over from our dog rescue days. The dogs all live in the garage in a fenced yard now.
Yes, it is sad, but not as sad as letting my kids get bit or having those dogs be separated from each other. I'm not happy with this situation, but these particular dogs cannot be trusted with our children.
So, everyone can flame me too, but I have been working and training dogs for many years and also working with rescues. You need to aks yourself some questions
1) Am I prepared to either keep this dog crated in a room where the children have NO access?
2) Am I prepared to muzzle this dog when he is anywhere near children or on a walk (because both children and dogs do the unpredictable)
3) Am I prepared to defend myself if this dog attacks someone in it's new home and the new owners come back on me saying in a law suit that I didn't "properly describe the dog's issues" (happens all the time--especially if a bite occurs within the 1st year after adoption.
4) Can I live with my responsibility (the dog) hurting or even possibly killing someone, be they my family or someone else's family
5) Can I live with a healthy, happy, friendly dog being killed so my "snapping" dog may continue to live.
If you think you can do that, then I'd suggest you talk to your vet about it a bit and have the dog checked over, sometimes hip pain can make a dog a bit on edge.
Originally Posted by sagewinna
There is a great book, recomended by our dog trainer, called Childproofing Your Dog. It's a must read!
I think your first step would be to never ever ever let your baby and dog be alone together.
The next step you be obdience classes, and maybe even one on one training with a trainer. If you cannot afford training the dog then you cannot afford to have the dog in your home with your kids. And know that training may or may not solve this. Training helps get rid of bad behaviors, not necessarily agression.
My SIL has a dog who should have been put down years ago. She's worked with a trainer. She has this dog completely under her countrol. I don't trust this dog with my kids even when SIL and I are both in the room. He's bitten too many people (most recently that I know was last year when we were at the family cottage, the was outside unattended and ran into the street to bite a passerby). SIL has the best of intentions, but her unwillingness to have him euthanized makes for a dangerous situation, strained relations in the family...I love my SIL, but if her dog is around at family gatherings we either don't come, or I call ahead of time to get my MIL to put the dog in the car. It really sucks and I honestly can't wait until this dog is dead.
That dog should have been destroyed before our client adopted him. You can NEVER guarantee that a dog who is rehomed will not come into contact with a child, or a person that they "dislike", etc. It is not worth the risk. Not to your child, not to another one who may wind up in the vicinity of this dog. Unless you can do all of the things that Shannon mentioned every single day for the rest of the dog's life, I would 100% recommend that you have the dog euthanized. Dogs are very important members of our families, but children's safety has to come first. s I'm so sorry you have to go through this.
Half-marathon running Mommy to 3 spunky girls and 1 sweet boy. Spending my days and nights where my kids need me most- at home with them!!
as I mentioned earlier
there's too many variables in this picture...
Was Jessie asleep? This is vitale to me helping you!
The other incidents please tell me more about them did the person picking up the object pick it up from where Jessie was laying, was the object Jessie's?
As I posted above I have experince dealing with space/ sleep agression. It's a form of agression but not one that the dog can in all cases control. In reality my inital feeling is that your son starled Jessie or invaded Jessie's space. This is why crating and NEVER allowing young children on the floor near the dog unless you have your eyes on them is SO important. I tell adopters this all the time however very few people believe me or listen. The largest problems occur when children start to crawl they crawl near the pets or on the pets. The golden rule let sleeping or laying dogs lie is SO important but people don't listen, then I get their dog back. I'm not calling you out or putting any blame on you I'm simply stating a fact from my experinace as a rescuer which may in the future help you or someone else on this board.
We took the dog back to the shelter from whence we got him. They were not too optimistic about finding him a new home with his history, and the fact that he has snapped both at adults and now a baby. It makes me horribly sad, and I can't even begin to share what I'm feeling right now.
More important than anything, however, is that Brian is safe.
I miss our furry baby more than words can say, but Bri is far more important.
Thanks to everyone who weighed in and offered advice. Trust me when I say this was not a decision that we made lightly, even if it was made quickly.
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