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I think we should make a sticky for natural pet foods. This will be a great resource for everyone. Let's list all the natural pet food websites we can find, including natural commercial foods and recipes for raw and homemade diets. The dangers of mainstream pet food additives and inferior ingredients are also welcome. Also, personal reviews and opinions of specific products would be great!

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www.wysong.net A great place to start for information on natural nutrition and wellness for both humans and animals. Lots of supplements. Pure canned meat. Natural prescription diets.

www.naturapet.com Innova EVO - high protein, low carb, and grain free. Also California Natural, Healthwise, and Karma Organic.

http://www.karmaorganic.com/ Karma Organic. Over 95% organic ingredients.

http://www.omhpet.com/ or www.oldmotherhubbard.com Old Mother Hubbard and Wellness brand.

http://www.solidgoldhealth.com/ Solid Gold brand. Natural pet foods, supplements, and skin and coat care products.

http://www.frommfamily.com/ Fromm Family brand. Many unique food formulas. Great to try for pets with food allergies. Pre-packaged raw diets.

http://www.bluebuff.com/ Blue Buffalo. Human grade ingredients. Cold-formed kibble. Probiotics, chelated minerals, antioxidants. Glucosamine and chondroitin in dog foods.

Flint River Ranch brand pet foods are sold by independent distributors. You'll have to do your own search for distributors, as the company doesn't seem to have an official page.

http://www.merrickpetcare.com/ Merrick brand. Natural food, treats, and cat litter.

http://www.felinefuture.com/ and http://www.knowbetterdogfood.com/ Nutritional supplements for dogs and cats to mix with a raw diet.

www.premiumedgepetfood.com Premium Edge brand.


http://www.petpromiseinc.com/ Pet Promise brand. Focus on healthy farming and antibiotic-free meat from healthy livestock. Cat and dog food, treats, pro-biotics, and natural pet shampoos. Pet Promise supports organic farming education.

http://www.breeders-choice.com/

http://www.chickensoupforthepetloverssoul.com/

http://www.eaglepack.com/index.html

http://www.threedog.com/

http://www.petguard.com/

http://www.canidae.com/

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I'm happy to make a sticky of this info.

Does anyone want to comment on what they like about certain diets and where they can get them locally - for instance, private local pet store, large chain pet store, online, directly from the manufacturer....

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We feed our cat Pet Promise. It's free of all animal by products. I was hoping to get some info on the Trader Joes cat food and see if it was any good. The only place I can find the Pet Promise is at a store I rarely go to, so I make a special trip, getting it from TJ's would be so much more convienent.
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Thank you for doing this! We use Premium Edge (no by-products, preservatives, colors, etc.) www.premiumedgepetfood.com for our dry cat food and Wellness for our canned cat food, but you already have the link to that

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We feed this - http://www.animalworldnetwork.com/wesuladrydog.html and our dog is so much healthier than before. He's trimmed up and so much more active - even other people notice. It's like he's aged backwards a bit
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Raw food supplements:

http://www.felinefuture.com/ and http://www.knowbetterdogfood.com/ Nutritional supplements for dogs and cats to mix with a raw diet.

http://www.sojos.com/

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Kari, if you can post the primary (at least the first 8) ingredients along with the protein, fat, carb content, there are a couple of us here who could give you a rough idea. We don't have TJ's in Canada so I don't know the food you're talking about personally, but I was a partner in a health food store for pets for a few years and may recognize the recipe if it stands out.
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As for the BTDT testimonials, I'm a big fan of Natura products. Havoc was raised on Innova and it is the only food I've fed a working dog where I didn't feel the need to supplement. Currently I am feeding the Merrick brand, Wilderness blend in an effort to get some weight off Havoc. Bedlam was doing fine on Innova and continues to do fine on Wilderness blend, but honestly I think she's one of those dogs who would be fine on whatever (ever had one of those??) where Havoc is a dog that I can tell if I've made a diet change by his coat within a matter of a couple of weeks.
I need dog food right now and I think I will be trying the Innova EVO blend next. I'm hoping that by limiting carbs with Havoc that I will be able to get some weight off him. It's not a horrible issue, at his prime he was 97 lbs, he's 110 now, but with less muscle more fat but he was a working dog and has had some major stress on his body over the years along with a neck injury as a pup and blown disc in his back at 9, so I have a definite desire to see him trim (after all, he needs to live to be like 25, so he's really still a pup at 11 )
There's a number of foods some of you have listed that I haven't even heard of yet, this is excellent news to me, as little as 10 yrs ago it was almost impossible to find a chemical free, human grade food without using homemade. It's a great statement on the picture of the pet food industry that we have SO many choices now.
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Thank you for doing this! We use Premium Edge (no by-products, preservatives, colors, etc.) www.premiumedge.com for our dry cat food and Wellness for our canned cat food, but you already have the link to that

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Emily, humans don't have the same digestive enzymes as dogs and cats do. This is why dogs and cats can safely eat raw meat. Keep in mind that nobody cooks the deer for the coyote pack, and since wild dogs, wolves and coyotes are actually scavengers first and killers as a last resort, they often eat meat that's been dead for a bit. Their stomachs come complete with enzymes to combat the common bacteria found in raw meat.
On the chicken bones. Chicken bones should NEVER be fed cooked. Raw chicken bones however don't splinter and this is why it's actually very safe to feed raw chicken bones to pets. I have yet to hear of a dog or cat choking on a raw chicken bone. You also should not feed cooked beef bones, even though the risk of splinter is less, it still exists.
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I totally respect the different opinions on raw food. I'm sure it's still a lot better than what's in mainstream commercial pet food! Do animals have to build up a resistance to raw meat contaminants? Like if a dog has been on dry food it's whole life, how gradually would you have to change to raw to avoid making him sick? Do wild animals ever get sick from eating rotten meat?

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I always suggest people wean to raw, but to be honest I've not heard problems going cold turkey. The other thing to keep in mind is that animals can better use the nutrition in raw meat, we need meat cooked to break down some of the protein so we can use it better, but dogs and cats have the enzymes to use uncooked meat. It's like when companies like Hills put soy protein in animal food and use it towards the protein count--that's just great, but dogs and cats can't use the protein in soy--so it's useless to them.
I'm sure wild animals occaisionally get sick from eating rotten meat, but, most will not eat meat that is too far gone.
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We were making our own for awhile but recently switched to Wellness:

http://www.oldmotherhubbard.com/dogs..._overview.html

Great for nature studies! http://www.pleinairkids.com
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Puppyfluffer, Karen, can we keep this as an open sticky that we can still post on? I'm sure new natural pet foods will keep coming out.

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http://www.wysong.net/PDFs/archetype.pdf

Does this qualify as a raw diet? They don't cook it, they dehydrate it.

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My pup came from the breeder eating Science Diet, which, after reading the bag, I threw away! We got her on Solid Gold puppy dry food, but she did not like it too much. After a week or so she sort of warmed up to it though, and it is soooo pure! BUT then I went to buy more when we were out and they did not have it. I got "Nutro Natural Puppy" lamb and rice, and WOW, that puppy loves it! I know it is not as holistic as the SG, but it is a close second IMO, and she just eats it with that happy gusto that she never had before. In my area, the Nutro is also easier to find, which is a factor too
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I used to make a homemade dog food bc one of my dogs had allergies. When I had dd, it was hard for me to keep up with it. Then the same dog was diagnosed with a rare kidney disease, and I went back to the homemade.

After reading FOOD YOUR PETS DIE FOR........I did research on different natural pet foods and switched all my animals to California Natural. My kitty though was experiencing some really bad gas from it (Or we were I should say) and I just switched the 2 cats to Innova....and no problems so far.

Whats really amazing is that these 2 brands dont cost any more than the Natures Recipe I was feeding them.......AND you feed them less, so it really works out to paying less for food, and its better for them.

I think every pet owner should read that book.
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We feed our four cats Pinnacle. It comes in dog formulas too. we get it at red bandana stores.
http://www.breeders-choice.com/

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My pup came from the breeder eating Science Diet
So did ours and after doing research I was grossed out. Their is rubber stabulizer and, of course, animal by product in it. I was so surprised to see that people think its ok to feed our pets this nasty stuff.
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I am on cloud nine! I put both of my cats on Innova EVO less than two weeks ago. Doc is a neutered male who was diagnosed with diabetes about two years ago. He was a very big muscular cat to start with, but lost a lot of weight since he got diabetes. We put him on Purina DM and insulin shots, and he gained back some weight, but his body type changed so much. He has just been so bony, especially over his spine and hind legs. But he still had a fat pouch under his belly and his abdomen was bloated. Now I can hardly believe what my hands are feeling: MUSCLE! Less than two weeks on EVO and Doc has put down thick muscle around his spine! His flanks are firm, not squishy. He doesn't feel bony at all! And I can tell it's not fat, it's definitely muscle. I'm so happy! *wipes tear from eye*

Jackson is also a neutered male cat. Also two years ago, he was diagnosed with FLUTD. His urine was full of tiny crystals and blood. Urination was extremely painful for him. He was peeing every few minutes all over the house, and it was bloody and glittery. Our vet said there was not much that could be done about it, but give him canned food to increase his water consumption to dilute the urine. He was also put on glucosamine for a little while to repair and strengthen the inner bladder membrane. After a little while, he got better and has appeared to be perfectly healthy since then. Two weeks ago I had to bring in an animal urine sample to school just to learn how to do a urinalysis. I happened to catch Jackson peeing, so I got the sample from him. This was not for diagnostic purposes, just for 'play', so the cup sat in my locker at room temperature for seven hours before class. Unfortunately, the sediment test revealed a significant amount of triple phosphate crystals. Chemical changes will happen to urine just sitting at room temperature, but I don't think it caused the crystals to form. I learned that these crystals form in alkaline urine, so I needed to make his urine more acidic. Eating a high-protein, high-fat, low-carb diet will acidify your whole body and give you acidic urine. In a week or two, I will need to bring in another urine sample for more practice, so I will get to see if the EVO has gotten rid of the crystals.

I put my dogs on Canidae. They were healthy to start with and still look great. My husky started to get a little fat, so I have to give her less of the Canidae than the old food, Iams, *shudder*. So I know the Canidae is more nutritious. Both the cats and the dogs switched over great, no tummy upset or anything.

Then I also learned that clumping cat litter contains silica dust, that when breathed in, may cause lung cancer in both animals and humans. Yuck! I don't want that in my house! So I am also switching over to Feline Pine. Now my bathroom just smells like a Christmas tree!

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You know Emily, I put all my guys (but mainly Havoc) on the EVO--a few weeks ago. The difference in Havoc is absolutely amazing, The past couple months I've been thinking of him as really old--he is 12, now he's acting like a puppy again!! I even layed a couple tracks for him today!
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Isn't it amazing how important nutrition is? I never would have predicted the speed or the level of improvement I've seen. To think that so many health and behavior problems are just caused by eating crap...

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I'm new to this thread but find the discussion quite interesting. I have an 11 week old male kitten. Are there general recommendations for naturally feeding and caring for him? So far have just been using Purina One dry kitten food, which he seems to eat just fine. He was the runt of the litter so is a runt, but seems very active and playful.
I'm interested in comments and suggestions on this and perhaps a better diet regimen.
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I think most, if not all, of the brands recommended on this thread have kitten formulas. Also be sure not to use clumping, scoopable cat litter. They all contain silica dust which, when inhaled, causes lung cancer. Try Feline Pine, or Yesterday's News.

I wouldn't be concerned with him being the runt. If he seems otherwise healthy, he probably is. He might just end up being a small cat.

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Being a male make sure to feed him more canned food than dry food for his urinary tract health. We have used Premium Edge Kitten, Wellness Kitten and Nutro Max Cat kitten with great success for dry and they all get the Wellness canned. I would take him off Purina ASAP though b/c it has by-products and lots of other yucky stuff in it. A good rule of thumb is that if you can purchase it in a regular groccery store it is not good for animals, not that everything in the pet stores is good, you have to read lables just like for people food, but it is a better bet. We use Swheat Scoop an all wheat litter that clumps but is safe. Best wishes with your little guy!

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Thank you Amy and Emily. It looks like I've got some kitty supply retro-fitting to do.
Amy, it looks like you've got a veritable cat farm there!
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