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Old 12-18-2005, 04:58 PM - Thread Starter
 
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I already posted about this before, but I just took pics. The first pic is of the bite that pierced all the way through one side of his nose.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...e/P1010003.jpg

This one shows the two other puncture wounds. One is the small scab in the middle of his nose, and one in the crease of his nose. There are also several little bruises on his face that didn't show up in the pics.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...e/P1010001.jpg

He doesn't look too bad now that it's been a day and a half and I finally got to clean most of the blood off. I had to look at my son for a day with blood smeared and crusted all over his face because I didn't want to hurt him by wiping it off.

ETA: DS seems to be doing fine. It doesn't seem to bother him too much. I was giving him baby Tylenol yesterday, but doesn't seem to need it today.

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That looks really painful! What a tough little guy you must have there. I'm so sorry that this happened.

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I am so sorry this has happened. Your poor baby

What have you done with the dog?
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So sorry for your babe!
Do you know what transpired that led to the dog biting your son?

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The dog has a really bad temperament. He is on a ten day rabies observation at the humane society right now (required by law). I know he doesn't have rabies, but it's the law. We are trying to find him a new home without kids, but we may end up having to euthanize him.

What happened is that the dog was laying at the foot of our bed, DS climbed up in bed with us. Then he saw the dog and crawled up to him, and the dog just totally attacked.

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to your little guy, I hope he is feeling better, how scary. We have a jealous little dog that we have to watch, she hasn't tried anything yet but I am never 100% sure of her agenda.

Good Luck with finding him a new home.
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Poor Baby! I'm sorry that happened to him and I'm sorry you have to find a new home for your dog. Glad he seems to be feeling better.

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Your poor ds!!! but thank goodness it was not any worse (thinking face/eyes, lips) the nose is bad enough.

I feel bad for you and him.

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I am so sorry for your ds! Did you say this dog is a pekingese? Those are some stronge jaws for such a small dog! Yikes! My chihuahuas can barely break there food with their jaws. lol

I hope he heals well.

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Anyone know the likelihood that my veterinarian will agree to remove the dog's canine teeth?

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I would definately get rid of the dog! Perhaps he can find another home (I mean someone can adopt him). I would not put the child through any further risk....of course I am sure you have considered this; this is unfortunate.
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Sorry about your son but do you know why this happened? There are a few signs based on what was posted about the incident.

Possibly said dog could be turned over to breed specific rescue, one post mentioned the dog was a pekingnese. I have placed several dogs who have been turned over for the VERY same thing, bitting a child who was allowed to climb on them while they where laying down/sleeping(a HUGE NO NO anyway). Be sure if you find a rescue not to say the dog just bit but to give full detailed info ie dog was on bed, kid climed on dog, it helps rescue people place the dog accordingly. In the meantime give your son lots of love and I wish him a speedy recovery, dog bites hurt.
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The dog is dominant-aggressive and fear-aggressive and possesion-aggressive. There is no cure for that. I've worked with him so much and he's actually pretty darn obedient to me (sit, down, stay, get off furniture, go in your crate). The dog and my son are almost never together. We keep the dog in the kitchen blocked off with a baby gate during the day. Then at night, DS gets blocked in his room and the dogs get to see the rest of the house.

We are trying to find him another home. I want to do it myself so I can work with his new owners to show them how to handle him, and keep in touch over the long run. My DH actually said he would divorce me if I put the dog to sleep.

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Sorry about your son but do you know why this happened? There are a few signs based on what was posted about the incident.

Possibly said dog could be turned over to breed specific rescue, one post mentioned the dog was a pekingnese. I have placed several dogs who have been turned over for the VERY same thing, bitting a child who was allowed to climb on them while they where laying down/sleeping(a HUGE NO NO anyway). Be sure if you find a rescue not to say the dog just bit but to give full detailed info ie dog was on bed, kid climed on dog, it helps rescue people place the dog accordingly. In the meantime give your son lots of love and I wish him a speedy recovery, dog bites hurt.
I didn't take from her post that the baby crawled onto the dog. As I read it the boy crawled toward the dog, big difference. Plus, a dog with dominance issues on the family bed is going to exercise aggression.

Anyway, {{{hugs}}} I have had dogs with pack placement issues and I know how hard it can be to modify their behavior. It sounds like he needs to go to a home with no kiddies or other animals. He might make a nice lap dog for an elderly person, no?

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Ohh that poor little nose! You are right to get rid of the dog if he has all those "dominant" traits, esp if he takes them out on your kid. This happened recently with a friend of mine; she has an SPCA dog and seemingly out of nowhere (though you never know with kids and how they approach dogs) he bit a child who was sleeping over at their house near her eyebrow and eye, broke skin, etc. It was awful! My friend had the dog back at the SPCA the next morning. It is sad, but you can't have that kind of risk with kids around... I am so sorry for your situation, and i hope you can resolve it soon.
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Well we just found out today at his first vet check that the dog has ear infections in both ears. I could see where that would really p*ss someone off having their ears hurt.

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Ummmm, I would put the dog down. Zero hesitation. Bye bye canine companion.
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Ummmm, I would put the dog down. Zero hesitation. Bye bye canine companion.
Yep. If placing him with a responsible rescue organization isn't possible, I'm sorry, it isn't going to get better.

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I hope you can place him.

Removing his canine teeth will only give him a reason to show aggression in a different way.

I knwo the attachment you have to your animal. We ahd a small dog growing up that I loved dearly. It showed aggression ntoward me by peeing on my things, even my bed. With my sister he bit. He bit once, dog was gone the next day.

Don't hesitate get rid of the dog.

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I hope you can place him.

Removing his canine teeth will only give him a reason to show aggression in a different way.
And what way would that be? Spreading rumors? Excluding me from his social life?

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Well, scratching is one way.

ETA: I also don't find this very funny. Your dog pierced your baby's nose. That's very very scary.

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Yeah, I'm actually shocked by the damage the dog did. And very surprised the dog hasn't already been put down.

ETA - This doesn't sound like something that would be solved by removal of some teeth. It sounds like what you said it was, dominance and/or possession aggression. Which is not a physical issue. Something is seriously wrong with the dog's temperment and/or the dynamic in the house between the dog and the people. It sounds like you have been aware of and working on this, and still this has happened.

I don't think there is any going back from this incident. At least, no way would there be for me.
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Well, I'm not sure how it will make him show aggresion in other ways, but I can tell you it won't solve the problem. I've worked more than a few protection dogs who had no canines-Bedlam has no canines but she can do some serious damage to the things she chews on constantly.
In small dogs it's actualy thought that most of the damage comes from their front teeth, they are small so they are razor sharp, even into adulthood.
On removing the canines causing different kinds of aggresion--Bedlam has now had all of her canines removed. She broke 3 of them, when we removed the third we saw that the last remaining one was worn thin so we pulled it too--it didn't change her personality though--she was a big fat wuss and she still is.
But like I said, a dog can still do tons of damage even without canines--how much less isn't a chance I'd be willing to bet my kid's face on.
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And what way would that be? Spreading rumors? Excluding me from his social life?

Well, there is the obvious peeing and pooping. WOuldn't that be a pleasant smelling home...ick!

There is head butting. (I had a friend who had a dog that did that...it was not fun)

There is still biting. No canine teeth doesn't mean no biting, just without piercing.

Growling

Snipping

Teeth exposing (snarling)

Scratching...which could be jsut as hazardous as biting.

The point is that a dog that shows agression isn't a good combo for a young child even if you keep them away from each other. An animal can still attack no matter what you do.

Removing a dog's teeth will make him more aggressive, jsut in different ways.

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Well, scratching is one way.

ETA: I also don't find this very funny. Your dog pierced your baby's nose. That's very very scary.
Some people make jokes when they are stressed, we all deal with stress differently. I've been known to crack some pretty good ones at funerals, while I bled out after a d&c, and during the demise of a number of my beloved pets--it doesn't mean I don't care, I just deal with it differently.
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Megan, I see what you're trying to get at--but dog behavior doesn't work that way--taking away one an aspect of aggresion does not cause a different aspect to appear. If he was a biter before, he will likely still show aggresion that way--just like I said above--perhaps with less damage--the question is would the 'less damage' be worth the risk--in my opinion, no.
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Some people make jokes when they are stressed, we all deal with stress differently. I've been known to crack some pretty good ones at funerals, while I bled out after a d&c, and during the demise of a number of my beloved pets--it doesn't mean I don't care, I just deal with it differently.
All fine and dandy, but I don't believe that the situation is being taken in the serious manner it should be.

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Megan, I see what you're trying to get at--but dog behavior doesn't work that way--taking away one an aspect of aggresion does not cause a different aspect to appear. If he was a biter before, he will likely still show aggresion that way--just like I said above--perhaps with less damage--the question is would the 'less damage' be worth the risk--in my opinion, no.
I've had dogs do just what Megan is talking about. I worked with animals too.

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Dogs do not react out of spite, you will not find any certified behaviorist tell you they think things out like this. It's been researched to the end of the world, when you break the issue down, you can always find another reason.
Dogs are not capable of deciding "well I'm mad at you because you removed my teeth so I'm gonna head but you instead" to say they are would lend creadence to the old male argument against neutering " he'll get mad at me" if a dog can loose his testicles or even a leg without deciding to become aggresive, why would removing his teeth be any different--and if it is different--why do we not suddenly see other aggresion issues in dogs post dentistry when teeth have been removed? Havoc lost 6 teeth and half of his lower jaw due to an infection, it didn't change his personality, he was stable then, he's stable now. This dog is unstable and will likely still be unstable after having his teeth removed.
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