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Okay, I just have to get this off my chest. You'd think that after 15 years or so, I'd get used to this. But it still drives me batty.

I'm a vet tech, work one day a month now in a small animal clinic. We see primarily dogs and cats, and lots of shelter/rescue adoptees, which is cool. The part that is REALLY not cool is when people assume that 1) because they, out of the goodness of their heart, rescued an animal, that someone else should forever be financially responsible for that animal. The old "Well, we paid $85 for him at the rescue! Isn't that enough? He'd have died if it wasn't for us." OR 2) because their neighbor gave them a free kitten/puppy, so there is no way they should have to actually PAY real money for incidentals like vaccinations, sterilization surgery, or an office visit/meds when FREE Fido gets sick. I am so sick and tired of people showing up, asking for veterinary services, then acting outraged when you ask them to remit the fees for the services they asked for!

Sorry, it was one of those days. Mostly I absolutely love my job, even though it's very very part-time now. I just get tired of people who can't seem to figure out that having pets is a real, actual, financial responsibility!

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i feel your pain. i remember those days well, especially when i worked in an emergency clinic : we still have these types in human medicine, but at least most people have insurance.
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geez, do people really do that?

it never would have occurred to me....

We got a cat from a rescue here....he is a good cat, although the toddler LOVES him a little too much...to the point where "DD, put the cat down." has become a mantra....you know!! It never would have occurred to me to think that we wouldn't have to pay for future vet bills, food, etc.

I did find out that the shelter will fix your cat for their reduced rate if you bring in a stray you found and are going to keep it....i thought that was pretty cool!!

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That sucks. When when my furbaby got hit by a car, I was so glad to pay whatever money they needed to make her better. There were so many staff people at the clinic on a Sunday morning, and so many people that needed their help, I would have paid twice what they charged.

And I brought them cookies when I went to pick up my girl.
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You mean you actually have to.. pay money for someone to do their job?! :

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Griping about the adoption fee at the HS bothers the crap out of me too. We just adopted a dog from the HS and yeah, it was $126 dollars but you wanna know what we got for our 126?

A Neutered
Microchiped
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Well fed (The HS sends a bag of Science Diet dog food, and give you coupons to an upscale pet store that gives you a bag of good kibble, three cans of good wet, and a 2.5 lb bag of raw food)
Healthy (wellness check with a participating vet)

3 years old (or less) STANDARD POODLE!!



yeah, it can be a bit more if you are wanting a small breed pure bred young dog, but that is your choice.

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I always laught about "free" dogs or cats in general.
Every single dog I've ever gotten "free" has cost me oh so much more money on down the line!! Bedlam was a free dog, I got her spayed and had a tooth pulled 2 nights later she jumped the baby gate (yep, after the spay!) and slammed head first into the wall on the other side of the hall. So within 4 weeks of deciding to keep the "free" dog, she cost us about $900 for surgery and then chiro and accupuncture so she could ya know, walk!
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I had a friend tell me that they'd never spend (purchase) money on a dog because "then every time I looked at it I'd be thinking about how much money it was worth and I'd never even be able to let it outside." They lived on a busy street with no fence, and they were talking about letting it out loose.

Maybe if some people had to spend more money on a dog--or, I don't know, spend less money but have a lein put on their car or something so that if the dog died for reasons that were their fault they'd actually be hurt by it--they'd care more about caring for it.
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Maybe if some people had to spend more money on a dog--or, I don't know, spend less money but have a lein put on their car or something so that if the dog died for reasons that were their fault they'd actually be hurt by it--they'd care more about caring for it.
This is so very sad, and true, IMO

I'm dreading the Christmas season at the clinic because so many people call wanting us to euthanize their pets so they don't have to pay to board them : and then there are the people who think it would be fun to buy the kids a puppy for Christmas, and have absolutely no clue what that entails, responsibility-wise.

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This is so very sad, and true, IMO

I'm dreading the Christmas season at the clinic because so many people call wanting us to euthanize their pets so they don't have to pay to board them : and then there are the people who think it would be fun to buy the kids a puppy for Christmas, and have absolutely no clue what that entails, responsibility-wise.
speaking of that....we all need to get those "a dog is for life, not just for christmas" bumper stickers makes me just so sad.
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as the daughter of a breeder, I've noticed, that the amount of money one pays to aquire a pet is proportional to the amount of money spent on it's wellbeing, re: routine vet care, food, accomidations, training ect..

We spent, no word of a lie $600 on getting the perfect environment for our Green Spotted Puffer fish. (the fish only cost us $10 at the Local fish store) Mom's like you spent $600 on a FISH????? are you CRAZY? It's just a fish!!! No mom, It's not just a fish, it's a pet. If you acctually met this little guy you'd understand that he's got a personality, acctually wants to be part of the family environment (to the point of trying to jump out!) He tries to play games...it's not *just* a fish any more than any dog is "just" a dog..

we live in a disposable society, and unfortunately too many people view animals as dispsoable. The more money they plan on forking out for a pet the better care they'll take of it to "protect their investment" of sorts.

so the "free" pets are tossed into the gutter so to speak.
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Our Keithie was free. The rescue group usually charged a fee, but he was an old neurotic mess (but sweet ) and they were just happy that someone wanted him. I'm sure we spent over a thousand dollars on vet bills and medications during the 3.5 years we had him... maybe $1500.

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It seems like old neurotic messes tend to be the sweetest, Dar.

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our humane society charges upwards of 400.00 for a smaller mixed bread, more for a purebread or purebread lookalike. a little less for large dog mixed breed but not much less and i still see ppl mistreating their pets. we got henry at the hs and paid alot for him, we love him. max we got from the desert in the area between mexico and texas, he was free. and we love him just as much.
our first dog was free as a wedding present to my parents and i've only ever seen my dad cry when we had him put down. he was my dads best friend.

a good friend of mine works in a clinic and i wouldnt believe it when he said ppl put animals down because of not wanting to board them or whatever lame selfish reason. his clinic wont do it and just takes the pet in, they have several clinic pets as a result of this.

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I feel very strongly that a) some people shouldn't be allowed to have pets and that b) there ought to be some kind of licensing fee or something to allow people to own pets. I know that up north where we used to live, they require pet owners to pay a fee yearly and purchase a license to own their dog/cat. I think that if they had something like that down here, you'd have far less people getting pets and then not vaccinating them and/or allowing them to just sit and rot out in the backyard.
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we have those here. pet lic. i mean. you need a pet lic on the collar and a rabies vacc. tag.

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our humane society charges upwards of 400.00 for a smaller mixed bread, more for a purebread or purebread lookalike. a little less for large dog mixed breed but not much less and i still see ppl mistreating their pets. we got henry at the hs and paid alot for him, we love him. max we got from the desert in the area between mexico and texas, he was free. and we love him just as much.
Seems really insane to me. What's getting people to go there and help a dog in need instead of paying a breeder 300 for a tiny purebred puppy if they charge an arm and a leg, kwim?

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My mil just adopted a katrina rescue dog and she is upset to know learn that the dog has a heart murmer. "But, he was free" is just what she said to me, as if that is supposed to mean he came with a health guarantee. I just sighed and reminded her that they are never free, that you always have to take care of them and feed them and even if you aren't going to to do organ transplant or dialysis or other high priced medical interventions you still should do the basics and take care of the general health.

I mean, what do they expect?
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I feel very strongly that a) some people shouldn't be allowed to have pets and that b) there ought to be some kind of licensing fee or something to allow people to own pets. I know that up north where we used to live, they require pet owners to pay a fee yearly and purchase a license to own their dog/cat. I think that if they had something like that down here, you'd have far less people getting pets and then not vaccinating them and/or allowing them to just sit and rot out in the backyard.
i kinda agree i really do see you point. but that would really suck for people like me that take my dogs to the vet and care for them 100% i also dont think anything should be free.

so because some dont do that i should have to pay?

i think laws and such should be stronger


*** my dog from the shelter became REALLY sick. we paided for hime to get well again. but i do think that they should make sure they are selling a well dog/cat before they hand them over. i know where i live you cant sell "lemon" dog/cats...


with that all said! i agree it is sad people act like that. my dogs and cat are my babies!!!! i would do anythign for them no matter the cost! just as i would a baby

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There are major differences in shelters. We've adopted (cats) from two. One is a huge, modern facility with a giant indoor training area and public education programs that run weekly. No animal is allowed to leave without being spayed/neutered and with a checkup. They will go to great lengths to avoid euthanizing animals, often keeping them for months or years. Dogs are $225; cats are about $100.

The other shelter is a tiny eight-run thing with a small cat room. They are extremely high-volume, tons of kittens and puppies, animals stay 21 days and are euthanized. There's a simple adoption contract but very little else done. Dogs are $40; cats are $30.

Which of these shelters is wrong? I would say neither. Each reflects what is put into the animals (and therefore what they expect the new owners to do) and the carrying costs associated with each style. If I adopted an animal from the first one, I'd walk out with tons and tons "done." If I adopted from the second, I'd spend the difference in the first six months of owning the cat or dog.
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Seems really insane to me. What's getting people to go there and help a dog in need instead of paying a breeder 300 for a tiny purebred puppy if they charge an arm and a leg, kwim?
ita, i think that the cost of animals at the hs here is one of the things that leads to some problems, one of which is ppl hoarding animals (hoarding disease.) the other is some "shelters" owned but individual ppl that do not take care of the animals, in the last several years the county sheriffs have closed down "shelters" were the animals are clearly abused and starving. not just small animals like dogs or cats either but this has happened with horses too. its really awful.

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I think that if they had something like that down here, you'd have far less people getting pets and then not vaccinating them and/or allowing them to just sit and rot out in the backyard.
Just because someone doesn't vax or selectively vaxes their pets doesn't mean they are irresponsible. Rotting in the backyard is a different story though.
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It's such a hard line to draw. I admit that the first thing that comes to mind when people start complaining about the "price" of the dog....like I want a purebred golden but who can afford $800 type thing is that if they can't afford $800 to buy the dog, they also can't afford to keep the dog up.
That said, I know MANY people who would NEVER spend $800 to buy a dog but they'd put a second mortgage on their house to keep their cheap/free dog alive. So basically, I guess what I'm saying is there's no one right answer when it comes to making people pay to get a pet.
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A "free to good home" kitten outside the grocery store costs MUCH more than the adoption fee at the no-kill animal shelter where I used to volunteer, and where we've adopted all four of our cats (two sister cats pre-kids, and two sister kittens recently).

As someone else mentioned, for that fee, you get a pet who has been spayed or neutered, up to date on shots, wormed, flea med or whatever else is necessary, coupon for a free check up at the vet of your choice, coupons at a really nice pet store - for free 8 lb bag of food of your choice, three free cans of food of your choice, free bag of your choice of litter, etc.

It is the best deal going.
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I've paid for medical care for STRAYS. I can't believe people would gripe about paying for care for their pets. :
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It's such a hard line to draw. I admit that the first thing that comes to mind when people start complaining about the "price" of the dog....like I want a purebred golden but who can afford $800 type thing is that if they can't afford $800 to buy the dog, they also can't afford to keep the dog up.
That said, I know MANY people who would NEVER spend $800 to buy a dog but they'd put a second mortgage on their house to keep their cheap/free dog alive. So basically, I guess what I'm saying is there's no one right answer when it comes to making people pay to get a pet.
Shannon, I totally agree with this. Dogs are SO much more costly than what the initial outlay to the breeder can be, but the maintenance is usually spread out (you're not usually paying a $800 bill over and over again- unless you're the client whose standard Poodle eats pantyhose on a regular basis and you're doing exploratories every couple months ) But I see clients all the time (esp. our geriatric clients) who will forgo their own prescriptions to pay for their dogs heart meds. Or will eat soup for 2 weeks straight to be able to afford their animal's RX food. And most of those animals are the scruffiest, most mixed-breed little critters you ever saw. But those old people would absolutely do anything for them. That's when my co-workers and myself wind up with less take-home pay because we're buying meds and food for the 14yo terrier of an 80yo widower

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No kidding. Our cats are much like our child. If they need medical care, they get it. We rescued our 6 month old cat when he was about 4-5 weeks old. He has been in excellent health and has received his vaccinations and rabies.

We recently adopted a kitten from a rescue shelter who seemed healthy, but ya never know, right. About two weeks ago he developed a sort of mangey-like rash above his eye. We took him to the vet and happily paid to receive an exam and ointment. I didn't want him to feel cruddy, ya know. Now Blue has the rash. Back the vet we go. Now we have an oral antibiotic for both cats (the only way to stop the cycle is for both of them to get rid of it together).

I could not imagine pissing over such a thing. We are stewards of these animals and must protect them from possible dangers.
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Do they have ringworm? If so, alert your doctor as well; you could have it and be passing it to them and vice versa.

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Shannon, I totally agree with this. Dogs are SO much more costly than what the initial outlay to the breeder can be, but the maintenance is usually spread out (you're not usually paying a $800 bill over and over again- unless you're the client whose standard Poodle eats pantyhose on a regular basis and you're doing exploratories every couple months ) But I see clients all the time (esp. our geriatric clients) who will forgo their own prescriptions to pay for their dogs heart meds. Or will eat soup for 2 weeks straight to be able to afford their animal's RX food. And most of those animals are the scruffiest, most mixed-breed little critters you ever saw. But those old people would absolutely do anything for them. That's when my co-workers and myself wind up with less take-home pay because we're buying meds and food for the 14yo terrier of an 80yo widower
Yep, totally, I was pretty jaded for a while when I was working at the referral practice, we had one guy drive up in a brand new jag, with an 18 wk old setter pup hit by a car, regular vet sent him to us for surgery as it needed plating. It was a totally fixable fracture (the whole reason for the referral was the dog was still growing so the reg vet didn't want to just slap a plate on and hope for the best) and there was no reason this dog wouldnt' have lived a full life. He said the $700 for the surgery was too much money, put him down. Our orthopedic surgeon was a fiesty aussie and we heard him from the back laying into this guy. Our receptionist wanted to adopt the dog, the guy told her he'd sell him to her--otherwise he wanted him put down and he wanted to "be there" What an ass.
A week later, I was outside helping the neuro with a wobbler and this wreck of a car pulled up--like holes EVERYWHERE. Out jumps a young "rough" looking guy with a very lame rottie. I rolled my eyes and said something to the effect of "another one bites the dust" This dog had hip dysplasia and the reg vet had done an excision on him...on a 100 lb dog, needless to say it didnt' go so well and was now also infected.
That guy, who would have frankly in my opinion had just cause to put his dog down...there was no guarentees, needed a total hip replacement on the infected hip and had to clean up the infection first--then the hope was his one good hip would suppport the other bad one.
That guy didn't blink, he left a deposit, he called 3 times a day to check on him, twice he offered to add more money to the deposit via his uncles credit card. In the end, basically the clinic did it for a little over cost, he got his dog back for about $1400 after 2.5 weeks in hospital, one week in of that in our ICU for the sepsis.

Sometimes I need to smack myself into not making assumptions like that and I always think of that guy--the dog was from a backyard breeder, $200.00. He said during a recheck where he thanked us again for dropping the price that at the time he thought it was silly to pay $800.00 for a dog.
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It's such a hard line to draw. I admit that the first thing that comes to mind when people start complaining about the "price" of the dog....like I want a purebred golden but who can afford $800 type thing is that if they can't afford $800 to buy the dog, they also can't afford to keep the dog up.
That said, I know MANY people who would NEVER spend $800 to buy a dog but they'd put a second mortgage on their house to keep their cheap/free dog alive. So basically, I guess what I'm saying is there's no one right answer when it comes to making people pay to get a pet.
I disagree just a little. While I can't afford an $800 animal, I can afford the food, furniture, and health care required for the animal. We buy a good brand of food, have a great vet, and make sure our cats (and dog when we had her) have lots of toys and fun stuff. I just can't plop down $800 for an animal.
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