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I don't believe it's one way or the other, my parents used to let our kitties outside when we lived in a further out neighborhood, but they were vaccinated and neutered, and they stayed in the yard.

My kitty was a shelter kitty. I take him outside a couple times a week to get fresh air, but I don't let him wander far simply because I'm not down with fleas in my house. However, he usually just prowls around and sniffs things, but he's more interested in being inside.

We made the house suitable for him, he has a fantastic scratching post and our furniture offers plenty of places for him to satisfy his hide and seek nature. I clean his box often and all our window sills are only a foot off the ground and offer a nice place for him to look out.

He's an indoor cat but he's a very happy one!
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I have three free-range cats on my farm. Yes, they have shortened lifespans, higher risk of disease ect., but I believe those are natural lifespans and natural risks. You could compare it to the different health risks that humans from developed/non developed countries have.
I have never seen them attack birds, there are to busy keeping the mice and moles out of the garden and hay. They are organic pest control.
I don't think that the impact cats have on the environment (where I live) is of any consequence because domestic cats have simply replaced the wild bobcat population that existed here pre-industrial America.

BTW, There are no leash laws where I live, for dogs or cats.
I will mention however that my dog is kept inside when he is not playing or working outside with me. He is the only one of his species living here and needs us for companionship.
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Oh! I remember! Even though their cat didn't end up in our trap (even though they ignored my request), two others did. I don't think it's my responsibility to have to try to guess who owns all the cats roaming our neighborhood. It's their owners' responsibility NOT TO LET THEM ROAM.
Nobody is saying you have to guess whose cat it is... my neighbours all know which cats live where. I'm saying basic decency, talk to the person, as you did when you needed to trap a racoon. I would have kept my cat in, no big deal.

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Lots of people around here let their cats out. The neighbours enjoy my cat - the outgoing one, he rolls around in the sidewalk and people stop by and pet him. I've never gotten the feeling anyone thinks I'm a bad neighbour over it.
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Nobody is saying you have to guess whose cat it is... my neighbours all know which cats live where. I'm saying basic decency, talk to the person, as you did when you needed to trap a racoon. I would have kept my cat in, no big deal.
No, I hear that. I guess my point is that the one cat whose owners I know, I told. We didn't catch that cat--we caught two others.

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Lots of people around here let their cats out. The neighbours enjoy my cat - the outgoing one, he rolls around in the sidewalk and people stop by and pet him. I've never gotten the feeling anyone thinks I'm a bad neighbour over it.
People let their cats out here, too. I don't like it. I haven't trapped any cats and taken them to the pound, yet, and I don't hose them out of my yard, but I suspect that'll change when we have kids.

I love cats--I must, we have SEVEN of the freakin' things--and I'll pet friendly cats who are on my deck or whatever. But do I ENJOY the fact that they're killing the birds and pooping under my deck? No, I don't. If you poll your neighbors, I suspect they'd have similar feelings--love the cat, but it's YOUR cat, you should be responsible for keeping it from harm/harming others (and that includes pooping hither and yon).
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I have a big huge friendly male tom cat in my garage. I dare, dare the owner of that cat to cause a stink with me. Upon investigating this morning in the daylight, I have learned he sprayed my daughter's wagon, and dug up a good portion of my garden about 3 feet where my daughter plays on the concrete with her side walk chalk. There are strange-cat feces out there, and the dirt he used to covered it up is kicked all over the drive way. So now, I have to put on rubber gloves and go outside and pick up someone ELSE'S cat poop, sweep the dirt back into the garden, disinfect the spot since we've already received ringworm from the cats around here, who knows what this one has, and then clean my daughters wagon.
It sounds like the cat is not neutered and so is causing a lot of problems. Obviously cats that go outdoors need to be fixed, otherwise they are contributing to overpopulation. If I were you I would talk to the neighbours, which you should ALWAYS do with a problem instead of being passive aggressive about it. Passive aggression is just courting a big neighbour problem.

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I think the neighborly thing to do would be to keep YOUR cat on YOUR property. Why would you feel you have the right to allow your cat to sleep on my car or come onto my property? Because I haven't said otherwise? My neighbors haven't said I can't swim in their pool either, should I walk down there after breakfast and go for a swim?
Oh gawd, the 'my private property oh noes!!!' argument. That wouldn't go very far with me, I find it extremely distasteful. If the cat is causing you a problem, let people know. That is the best advice I have for you.

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You know, I could really care less about cats that go out and sit on the deck, roll in the grass, and come inside. I mean, there's always going to be a risk that something bad might happen (cat gets spooked and runs into the road, stray dog comes by and attacks), but it's not bothering me, so I really don't care.
Okay yeah, if you only have an issue when you are being bothered, that is understandable. But I would focus on that instead of the 'my property' angle. Especially if you ever want to get stray bouncy balls etc back when they go over your neighbours' fences or otherwise want pleasant relations.
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No, I hear that. I guess my point is that the one cat whose owners I know, I told. We didn't catch that cat--we caught two others.
Well, if you told them, and they still let their cats out, that is inconsiderate.

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I say people gotta deal. Unless it is actually causing you a real problem. I deal with firepits, music, honking cars, etc etc. That's part of living in a neighbourhood. Real problems I address with people, but I try to be flexible and chill about most minor annoyances that are not really affecting my life. I expect the same in return from my neighbours.
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Growing up we always had cats that would come and go as they pleased. I am firmly against that. My parent's one cat was always getting in to fights and ended up dying young. That was when they made the decision that all future cats would be indoor only.

My three cats are all indoors. Two are leash trained, so occasionally DH will hook a leash to one of the two and let them walk in our yard. Cats, unlike dogs, walk on leashes where they want to, not where you want them too

We have tons of owned, outdoor cats in our neighborhood. This causes a problem for us because strange cats come up on our porch and harass our cats through the window. Also, even though we have nice garbage cans with lids, more than once a cat has managed to get in to them and our trash has been spread all over our lawn : And I don't believe it is a dog because I have never, ever seen an unleashed dog in my neighborhood.

Added to this, the outdoor cats in our area all fight with each other. It is sad.

So yes, I believe in keeping them indoors at all times, unless they will let you take them out on a leash once in a while.

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I have a big huge friendly male tom cat in my garage. I dare, dare the owner of that cat to cause a stink with me. Upon investigating this morning in the daylight, I have learned he sprayed my daughter's wagon, and dug up a good portion of my garden about 3 feet where my daughter plays on the concrete with her side walk chalk. There are strange-cat feces out there, and the dirt he used to covered it up is kicked all over the drive way. So now, I have to put on rubber gloves and go outside and pick up someone ELSE'S cat poop, sweep the dirt back into the garden, disinfect the spot since we've already received ringworm from the cats around here, who knows what this one has, and then clean my daughters wagon.

I think the neighborly thing to do would be to keep YOUR cat on YOUR property. Why would you feel you have the right to allow your cat to sleep on my car or come onto my property? Because I haven't said otherwise? My neighbors haven't said I can't swim in their pool either, should I walk down there after breakfast and go for a swim?
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LOL! (not laughing to make fun...that was honestly funny)
it's not that i feel (and i'm speaking for myself here) that I have a right to let my cat go on people's cars or onto other's property. Actually I assume that most people don't want him on their property. It really just comes down to training your cat. He doesn't have a right to be on your "property." But cats don't get property in the way humans do. So you have to train them to not want to go on other people's property. If there is no cat, dog or human that is menacing enough to keep them away they will go back.

The one way I DON'T treat him like my child is I actually will threaten physical violence with the cat. I've never actually hit him...but I pretend that I am going to...mostly because you can't sit there and rationalize with a cat.

"Barbara doesn't want you on her porch, Ozzy." Isn't going to work.

So I look at him, mean-like, raise my hand and snap. He knows what that means. That's something I would never do with a child.

And like I said, there have only been two incidences (that I know of) and both times a few applications of that threat worked to keep him off.

I agree its not your responsibility to train the cat...but wouldn't chasing the tom in your garage, out with a broom, or pots and pans banged together- to keep him out for GOOD- be quicker than

"put(ting) on rubber gloves and go outside and pick up someone ELSE'S cat poop, sweep the dirt back into the garden, disinfect the spot since we've already received ringworm from the cats around here, who knows what this one has, and then clean my daughters wagon."
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not to mention, since it bothers you so much...it might create some sort of release for the pent up frustration you're experiencing because of past bad experiences with diseased cats.

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Also, even though we have nice garbage cans with lids, more than once a cat has managed to get in to them and our trash has been spread all over our lawn : And I don't believe it is a dog because I have never, ever seen an unleashed dog in my neighborhood.
My bet would be that is raccoons. I keep a tight lid on my garbage and it's not a problem, only if I leave bags out loose or forget to put the lid on.
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I've never gotten the feeling anyone thinks I'm a bad neighbor over it.
Are you assuming it's Ok to let your cat out in the neighborhood, or have you actually talked to people about it? Because up thread it seemed like you were saying that it's Ok until someone tells you otherwise (re: being "neighborly" before taking action). It shouldn't work that way. We should all respect other people's personal property by not using it, or letting our pets use it, without express permission from the owner of the property. If you haven't received permission for your cat to be there, then your neighbors might just be acting polite to avoid confrontation (and I know several people who wouldn't confront you, because if you are the type to think you have the right to let your cat roam the neighborhood, you are probably not the type that is easily approachable, self entitlement and all [not saying you are, but some people may assume that]).

As far as people petting your outgoing cat, that's not an indication that your neighbors are Ok with him being out. When we first moved here we had a neighbor who walked his dog off leash and it frequently came onto our porch and peed on our stuff. It was a very friendly dog. I often said hi to the dog, even patted his head a few times.. and then I would ask the man to keep his dog off my property. It's not the dog's fault, it's the owners fault. The dog was doing what any dog would do - leaving his scent where he knew other dogs had been. My acknowledging a friendly dog didn't mean I was Ok with it coming onto my property. As a side note, the dog has since been hit and killed by a car for being off leash.

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My bet would be that is raccoons. I keep a tight lid on my garbage and it's not a problem, only if I leave bags out loose or forget to put the lid on.
I agree with that--it's raccoons. Nasty little cuties.
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Are you assuming it's Ok to let your cat out in the neighborhood, or have you actually talked to people about it?
Oh yeah, I took around a poll when I moved in and gave out lollipops to try to get people onside. Just like people asked me about their firepits, backing their SUVs out of their driveways at top pace, their music, and how fast I would like them to drive down the street.

To be honest, I don't care if people are 'okay' with my cat being out. If my cat is bothering someone in a tangible, direct way, that would be different. But beyond that, I don't give a crap what people's personal opinions are.

Truly I don't get any kind of a vibe that it is a big deal in my neighbourhood that the cats go out, a lot of them do and it's just part of life. We have bigger problems around here.
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This was asked previously, but I haven't seen an answer yet.

For those of you that believe cats should be given their freedom outside, do you feel the same about dogs?

What about communities (like mine) that have a leash law that applies to ALL pets? Do you feel that such a law is wrong, and therefore it's OK to ignore it? Or have you made an effort to change the law in your community, so that it doesn't apply to cats?

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Oh yeah, I took around a poll when I moved in and gave out lollipops to try to get people onside. Just like people asked me about their firepits, backing their SUVs out of their driveways at top pace, their music, and how fast I would like them to drive down the street.

To be honest, I don't care if people are 'okay' with my cat being out. If my cat is bothering someone in a tangible, direct way, that would be different. But beyond that, I don't give a crap what people's personal opinions are.

Truly I don't get any kind of a vibe that it is a big deal in my neighbourhood that the cats go out, a lot of them do and it's just part of life. We have bigger problems around here.
LOL!!

I did actually ask our neighbors. (The ones on either side of me--I didn't go door to door to 152 apartments) And my landlord. Everyone was fine with it. The landlord said she let her cat out too. (She lives in the same complex). She just said to look out for animal control and that if he was a nuisance cat (if she got any complaints) she would have to change her stance. So I figure, if there was a problem, we would hear about it.

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This was asked previously, but I haven't seen an answer yet.

For those of you that believe cats should be given their freedom outside, do you feel the same about dogs?
Cats and dogs are different creatures... dogs have more sense of territorial boundaries, can be easily contained with fences, can be walked on leashes without being terrorized, etc. It's not an equal comparison.

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I would just disregard the leash law... I don't know if we have one here that applies to cats. If we do obviously I am disregarding it.
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LOL! (not laughing to make fun...that was honestly funny)
I honestly don't see what you think was funny about that, unless you were laughing at me to make me feel ashamed? It's not funny that both my daughter and I have had ringworm because of strange cats on our property. It's not funny that my daughter has gotten cat poop stuck in her sandals. It's not funny that I have to wait for my husband to get home so we can go outside and play (have you ever tried to clean poo and cat spray with a 2 year old "helping" you?). My respect for a person who thinks that is funny is pretty close to nil.

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Actually I assume that most people don't want him on their property. It really just comes down to training your cat. He doesn't have a right to be on your "property." But cats don't get property in the way humans do.

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I agree its not your responsibility to train the cat

DING DING DING!! So if you have a cat that is not trained to stay in YOUR yard, don't let it out. Simple. Real simple.

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...but wouldn't chasing the tom in your garage, out with a broom, or pots and pans banged together- to keep him out for GOOD- be quicker than

"put(ting) on rubber gloves and go outside and pick up someone ELSE'S cat poop, sweep the dirt back into the garden, disinfect the spot since we've already received ringworm from the cats around here, who knows what this one has, and then clean my daughters wagon."
This will be the 6th cat that I've trapped (and possibly sterilized, if he's not chipped) since November. If I sterilize this cat, my neighborhood will qualify with the county to be registered as a feral cat colony. Do a search of my posts, I just dealt with a litter of kittens that showed up here, and this cat may in fact be the father. I'm now up to 2 toms, one mature (in heat at the time she was caught) female, and 3 kittens. No cat leaves this property without being spayed and neutered, and tested for FIP/FLV/FIV. Period. I pay for this out pocket, because a.) feral cats are an epidemic, and one breeding pair can create thousands upon thousands of cats in just a matter of years. Since they are hanging out near MY property, I am going to do something about. Some neighbors have even chipped in to the cost of it. And b.) I have two cats who I care dearly about, one of which was one of the kittens, and if by chance they got out, I don't want them to be attacked by a feral cat this is possibly positive for a deadly disease. I feel morally and ethically responsible to preserve my neighborhood and deal with this problem, a problem that an irresponsible pet owner/cruddy neighbor caused. More so, I want to preserve MY PROPERTY, and keep it safe and clean so my family can enjoy it. Banging some pots is not going to deter a tom cat. Been there, tried that.

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This was asked previously, but I haven't seen an answer yet.

For those of you that believe cats should be given their freedom outside, do you feel the same about dogs?

What about communities (like mine) that have a leash law that applies to ALL pets? Do you feel that such a law is wrong, and therefore it's OK to ignore it? Or have you made an effort to change the law in your community, so that it doesn't apply to cats?
i believe it should apply to the animal. if you are unsure of your pets comfort level (i was a petsitter, some dogs could NOT be trusted to walk by your side, no matter what) then they should be on a leash.

if your dog or cat is fine with people. will not jump up (even in a friendly way), will not even walk up to random people (my mom was attacked by a dog and is therefore afraid of any dogs not on leashes), then leave him off the leash. the reason i see leashes as a viable option for dogs is that I've never heard of someone being mauled by a cat. but some dogs get BIG. and people like my mom have been viciously attacked for no reason.

when i went to amsterdam there were no leash laws. dogs everywhere in a major city just walking around with their owners. most didn't even sniff at passers-by. the ones that did, were invariably on leashes. this kind of unwritten law seemed to make the most sense to me.

i would like to see American communities adopt a law like this. I think it preserves the individuality and here's my word again, autonomy, of the animal. i don't even bother to find out the leash laws in the communities i have lived in so i guess that puts me in the "i think its ridiculous so i ignore it" category.

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North..CHILL OUT.

I was laughing about you walking down to your neighbors house and taking a dip in their pool!

and as for you feeling a personal moral responsibility to rid your neighborhood of the cat plague...well that's very gallant of you...would you like some sort of reward?

I'm sorry your neighborhood is sowing some not so great results of an irresponsible pet owner...but just like you...i am maintaining that I AM NOT one of those irresponsible pet owners. my cat goes to the vet. he gets flea and worm treatments. he gets scolded and yelled at and it works if he does something he's not supposed to. he's not making babies. and really he never gets into any fights. he does disappear for days (2-3 usually). I suspect he likes to go into the woods and chill out.

you're talking about feral cats and feral cat colonies.
i'm talking about my house cat who likes to go outside. which is what i thought this post was about.

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the reason i see leashes as a viable option for dogs is that I've never heard of someone being mauled by a cat. but some dogs get BIG. and people like my mom have been viciously attacked for no reason.
I'm no more afraid of the neighborhood cats then I am of my neighbors yappy little off leash mutt-thing. Being attacked is not the only reason for you to leash and/or be in control of your pet. Property destruction is a huge reason.

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you're talking about feral cats and feral cat colonies.
i'm talking about my house cat who likes to go outside. which is what i thought this post was about.
How do you think feral colonies are started? All it takes is one nice, friendly house kitty to "accidentaly" birth a litter of kittens born outside for there to be a handful of wild cats, who will intern breed and produce more wild cats.

If you are a responsible pet owner, who has a healthy well trained cat, you are not the problem. The problem is owners who blatantly disregard the laws and intentionally disrespect their neighbors by maintaining the right to allow their cat free range of the neighborhood. If that doesn't apply to you, disregard everything I am saying.

I'm pretty chilled. The solution is simple. If your cat wanders, keep it inside and away from my property, or I will trap it. There's nothing to get worked up about. I am within the law.

Yeah, it's sad that outdoor cats kill birds and stuff. It's certainly something to take into account. But I'm far more concerned with disrespecting my neighbors or loosing my cat then I am of a dead bird.

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[QUOTE=chirp;11010910]he does disappear for days (2-3 usually). I suspect he likes to go into the woods and chill out. QUOTE]

Chirp, I hate to say this but.... I think your cat is having an affair.
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North..CHILL OUT.

would you like some sort of reward?
Uhg. I don't know how conversations devolve into attitudes like this. You know what, I am angry, and I'll chill out when I don't have to get up every morning and clean cat shit. And nope, I don't want a reward, just a poop and pee free yard for my kid to play in. Not being awakened in the middle of the night because of cat fights. Not having to clean garbage off the driveway because a cat climbed into the bins. I'm so over this problem, and it's so frustrating to read about people being proud of disregarding the laws that are supposed to eradicate problems like this. It's really disheartening, and makes all this feel like a big up hill battle. Some cats may be fixed and dewormed, but I see just as many "house cats" causing the same problems. It's really rude, and yeah, it pisses me off. Sorry that bothers you so much.

Anyway, I'm unsubbing. This is going to go in circles. And besides, I have to get dressed and take the cat I trapped last night in to be scanned for a chip anyway.

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LOL...that is what my neighbor says too. If he didn't come back hungry I would suspect so as well. But when he comes back he's always acting like he hasn't eaten in those 2-3 days...so...i'm assuming if he is having an affair its with a not-so-nice owner who doesn't feed him.

or maybe he just knows how to play on me.

i'll leave water out for him when he is not around, but i don't leave food out because i don't want to attract wild animals. we have turkeys and coyotes along with the usual raccoons and possums and stray cats. I can't afford to feed the wildlife.

and if he is having an affair, oh well. all i have to say is, whose bed is he sleeping in right now? MINE!

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How do you think feral colonies are started? All it takes is one nice, friendly house kitty to "accidentaly" birth a litter of kittens born outside for there to be a handful of wild cats, who will intern breed and produce more wild cats.

If you are a responsible pet owner, who has a healthy well trained cat, you are not the problem. The problem is owners who blatantly disregard the laws and intentionally disrespect their neighbors by maintaining the right to allow their cat free range of the neighborhood. If that doesn't apply to you, disregard everything I am saying.
You are conflating indoor/outdoor pets with feral cats and unneutered outdoor pets - two really different issues. I don't think anyone will disagree that unfixed outdoor cats are a really, really bad idea and will contribute to cat overpopulation.

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I'm pretty chilled. The solution is simple. If your cat wanders, keep it inside and away from my property, or I will trap it. There's nothing to get worked up about. I am within the law.
Well I'd be within the law to call about every firepit, every fast approach down the street in a vehicle, every time I smell some weed. I could go around measuring everyone's fences to make sure they're not too tall, or that secondary buildings on the lot like sheds are xyz feet away from the edge of the property. But really... it doesn't make for the best neighbourly relations.

And I have better things to do with my time than try to intentionally cause drama for other people, and possibly risk euthanasia of pet cats that people may not find at the pound in time or may not have money to liberate them. I really don't think much of people who would be selfish enough to do that instead of just sucking it up if it's about their simple judgment that cats shouldn't be outside, or talking to the neighbours if there is a real problem.
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and if he is having an affair, oh well. all i have to say is, whose bed is he sleeping in right now? MINE!

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Uhg. I don't know how conversations devolve into attitudes like this. You know what, I am angry, and I'll chill out when I don't have to get up every morning and clean cat shit. And nope, I don't want a reward, just a poop and pee free yard for my kid to play in. Not being awakened in the middle of the night because of cat fights. Not having to clean garbage off the driveway because a cat climbed into the bins. I'm so over this problem, and it's so frustrating to read about people being proud of disregarding the laws that are supposed to eradicate problems like this. It's really disheartening, and makes all this feel like a big up hill battle. Some cats may be fixed and dewormed, but I see just as many "house cats" causing the same problems. It's really rude, and yeah, it pisses me off. Sorry that bothers you so much.

Anyway, I'm unsubbing. This is going to go in circles. And besides, I have to get dressed and take the cat I trapped last night in to be scanned for a chip anyway.

I'm out.
It sounds like your situation is not like the situation in most neighbourhoods re: indoor/outdoor, well cared for, spayed and neutered, PET cats. And that's fine, it sounds really bad and I feel for you. But please consider that you are projecting anger at a lot of us who are not talking about letting cats out into a situation like you are describing.

My neighbourhood is a poor one and there are abandoned cats around. We do the best we can for them and try to make sure the pet cats are inside by evening so the feral ones can eat. They sometimes pee around the house, but apart from that they are a non issue. So I don't live in happy sunshine cat world, but your situation is extreme and not reflective of the reality of cats who go outdoors in most neighbourhoods.
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LOL...that is what my neighbor says too. If he didn't come back hungry I would suspect so as well. But when he comes back he's always acting like he hasn't eaten in those 2-3 days...so...i'm assuming if he is having an affair its with a not-so-nice owner who doesn't feed him.

or maybe he just knows how to play on me.

i'll leave water out for him when he is not around, but i don't leave food out because i don't want to attract wild animals. we have turkeys and coyotes along with the usual raccoons and possums and stray cats. I can't afford to feed the wildlife.

and if he is having an affair, oh well. all i have to say is, whose bed is he sleeping in right now? MINE!

hehehehe
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I do not agree with allowing feral colonies to continue. The idea that they keep new cats away is dandy, but they are still preying on native wildlife. These introduced cats do not have a natural place in the local environment.

We have folks dump kittens (and, adult cats) where we live. We're in the country and people seem to assume that everyone living in the country wants to have cats around to deal with rodents. No, many of us don't!

Our neighbors up the hill raise llamas and have a big barn and many cats that have not been spayed/neutered and their offspring come down to our place (it all started with just two cats, a couple of years ago). NONE of these cats are licensed, nor taken to the vet for anything. They are not collared.

So, when the cats come down to our property, they get trapped and taken to the vet. For $5.00 each, they get euthanized. Same goes with cats/kittens that get dumped out here by irresponsible owners.

The nearest shelter that accepts cats is 90 miles away and there is no way I am driving 180 miles, round-trip just to save cats that nobody wants in the first place.

We have a dear friend with a cat. She also loves hummingbirds and has many feeders for them. Every year, she complains (mildly and with an oh-what-can-you-do? attitude) about how she has to scold her cat for catching the hummingbirds. She talks about how the cat lies in wait in the shrubs near the feeders and snatches them, mid-air. She describes, with pride in her voice, about what an amazing hunter her cat is.

Last year, the killed hummingbird count was 45 birds (we actually saw the pile of bird beaks she had collected from under the table in her sun porch where the cat likes to take its trophies. Ds counted them : ). All this from a cat that is an indoor/outdoor cat. We told her that the cat should not be allowed to roam and that we don't want to hear about her little bundle of fur's kill record anymore. That she really shouldn't put out feeders anymore if she won't keep the cat inside. She couldn't understand our reaction.

We've been asked to care for her house when she has been on vacation and we do not allow her cat outside during those times (even though she said to leave the cat outside). I bring the litter box inside from her sun porch and the food dishes, too. The cat has been perfectly fine in the house. No torn-up anything, no soiling anywhere but its box.

Why she feels that it is okay for the cat to be outside and actively killing birds is beyond me. :

Another weird thing, she always brings the cat inside at night so it won't be grabbed by an owl. Apparently, it's okay for the cat to eat birds, but not for the birds to eat the cat.

Ugh...........
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Yep, two different situations being talked about on this thread.

One is about neutered (applies to male and female, but usually used to describe male castration cause people don't like the word castrate), healthy, vaccinated pets occasionally venturing unsupervised outdoors, and not harassing neighbors. Here the concern is the safety of those pets.

The other is about unhealthy, intact, possible infectious and contagious, animals, possibly someone's uncared for pet or a feral offspring of someone's unneutered pet creating filth and destruction. Here there is concern for the health, safety and comfort of the human and animal residents of that neighborhood.

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I will also be getting a couple of barn cats when I start having to store animal feed in the barn. I will be getting semi-feral rescues for the job - they need an appropriate home, too, and their lack of social graces make them poor pets in the conventional sense.
This is a wonderful idea. When I was employed by a pet store/pet rescue/pet vet clinic/pet training/community educating place in Madison, WI, one thing the owner did was only sell animals who were homeless.
She was called when strays were spotted, when someone's unneutered pet became unexpectedly pregnant and they needed to find homes for the puppies/kittens, and such situations like that.
Every single animal brought to her was neutered, vaccinated, dewormed, disease tested (FELUK/FIV for cats, stool testing for all of them in 3 week cycles), and the dogs included free training/socialization classes.
The owners of the moms/dads producing the unwanted litters were encouraged to allow her vets to neuter them.
We were quite successful in encouraging those pet owners to neuter their pets to avoid more unwanted litters.
There are a lot of farms around Madison and we also received loads of feral cats.
One time in particular I remember we had 80 cats in our intake room, in cages, all with ringworm and upper respiratory diseases that seemed resistant to medical treatment.
It took me 8 hours to properly clean their cages, litter boxes, food and water bowls, medicate and treat their ringworm and upper respiratory infections (which sometimes left me scratched up at the least) and give those who liked humans some affection.
For most of those feral cats, the only choice in the local shelter for a non-pet was euthanasia.
My boss didn't like that idea and neither did her employees (including me).
So we came up with the idea of post-sterilization and after they were healthy, finding them farm homes (the land owners were willing participants).
They could remain feral, have some kind of life, be healthy, not produce more unwanted kitties and be relatively safe in rural Wisconsin farmland.

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I agree with that--it's raccoons. Nasty little cuties.
Completely irrelevant to the topic, but I had to say there are no raccoons in Alaska, so we blame the moose and bears. lol

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It's not funny that both my daughter and I have had ringworm because of strange cats on our property. It's not funny that my daughter has gotten cat poop stuck in her sandals. It's not funny that I have to wait for my husband to get home so we can go outside and play (have you ever tried to clean poo and cat spray with a 2 year old "helping" you?). My respect for a person who thinks that is funny is pretty close to nil.

DING DING DING!! So if you have a cat that is not trained to stay in YOUR yard, don't let it out. Simple. Real simple.

This will be the 6th cat that I've trapped (and possibly sterilized, if he's not chipped) since November. If I sterilize this cat, my neighborhood will qualify with the county to be registered as a feral cat colony. Do a search of my posts, I just dealt with a litter of kittens that showed up here, and this cat may in fact be the father. I'm now up to 2 toms, one mature (in heat at the time she was caught) female, and 3 kittens. No cat leaves this property without being spayed and neutered, and tested for FIP/FLV/FIV. Period. I pay for this out pocket, because a.) feral cats are an epidemic, and one breeding pair can create thousands upon thousands of cats in just a matter of years. Since they are hanging out near MY property, I am going to do something about. Some neighbors have even chipped in to the cost of it. And b.) I have two cats who I care dearly about, one of which was one of the kittens, and if by chance they got out, I don't want them to be attacked by a feral cat this is possibly positive for a deadly disease. I feel morally and ethically responsible to preserve my neighborhood and deal with this problem, a problem that an irresponsible pet owner/cruddy neighbor caused. More so, I want to preserve MY PROPERTY, and keep it safe and clean so my family can enjoy it. Banging some pots is not going to deter a tom cat. Been there, tried that.
I say YAY for you, North, for doing your part to help reduce this problem in your neighborhood.
It is a nasty job and you are taking an active role in PERMANENTLY ending this problem, instead of a quick fix.
I understand how frustrating it is to have to take care of a situation caused by irresponsible pet owners (and I'm not saying anyone on this thread is one of those people who allow unhealthy, unneutered cats to cause problems, I'm referring to the situation North is forced to deal with).

Clearly the cats that terrorize your neighborhood are not the cats owned by posters to this thread.
That is quite clear that those are two completely separate issues.
However, even clean, healthy, neutered, trained, tame and affectionate cats can be pests when their owners allow them to roam unsupervised.

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Yep, two different situations being talked about on this thread.

One is about neutered (applies to male and female, but usually used to describe male castration cause people don't like the word castrate), healthy, vaccinated pets occasionally venturing unsupervised outdoors, and not harassing neighbors. Here the concern is the safety of those pets.
No. Still an unacceptable environmental impact.
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