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I’ve been wondering about the issues concerning Auto Safety, especially why the discussions always seem to revolve around what we can BUY to make automobile travel safer for our kids. I’m frequently involved in discussions with parents about which type of car is best, which brand car seat is safest, or what other gadgets (yes, gadgets…I saw one last week) can be used to increase auto safety.

So, here’s my gripe…Why aren’t we talking about limiting the time in the car? Not only does it have many, many, many other benefits but not driving the car in the first place is the only way to ensure that your kids not be injured in an auto accident.

I know that lengthy or frequent car rides are a necessity for some and to those, I TOTALLY understand why you would focus on all aspects of car safety, including the safest/best cars and car seats. I just wanted to say that because my intention is not to put anyone on the defensive. I am partially on the defensive, here so I wouldn’t want to add anyone else to the list.

I guess I’m motivated to write this because sometimes I feel I am perceived as being a careless mother because car seat/auto safety is not a huge issue for me. But it is a big issue for me but I focus on it in a different way; by reducing time in the car.

I have, proudly, gotten time spent in the down to less than an hour/week in the car! But I wouldn’t want anyone to feel like I’m a holier than thou type. I’m not…I’ve reduced time in the car to makeup for some big auto safety taboos!
I’ll confess if the mood is right.

I have a few more thoughts on this but wonder if anyone would like to join me to discuss before I bring them up.

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Well we choose to raise our children out in the country so they can have fresh air and lots of room to run and explore ect.

Because of that we live 13 miles from town, 83 miles from where we do all our shopping.


I beleive we can get hurt doing anything, but am I going to restrict my kids from doing xyz because they 'might' get hurt? NO
I will just teach them to be carefull and use good judgement. And using good judgemant means driving a car you feel safe in, not driving late at night when there a bigger % of drunks ect.

So will I cut down the time we spend in a car? NO

I truely think carseats are over rated and I also think they need to be more padded.
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Hmmmmmm.......well, I agree with you. But, in reality, kids are in cars a lot, so I think that even if you reduce car time, the fact is, they are still in one, so it's best to make sure the car/car seats are safe.

I actually wonder more about why cars aren't made safely to begin with, and why auto manufactures aren't held to a high safety standard. Okay, well, I know the answer is money. But it does really upset me that unsafe cars are even manufactured, when making them safe (or safer) isn't a huge deal. Sigh.

I am one who is trying to cut down on using the car; but I also live a car lifestlye.....I love to travel cross country, and I love to drive.

What are car alternatives? A bus without seat belts? Bike riding works, if the weather is good. Walking, too, if you aren't doing any heavy shopping.

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Yes and no. I live less than a mile from a library and several grocery stores. I don't know how many parents make 2-3 trips a day to grab milk, eggs, or other forgotten item. I can actually walk my 3 children walking to the pantry in less than 5 minutes (We are that close)

I ask myself it would be easier and quicker to walk.

I do think we can and should do things to reduce car useage but not just for safety. It is just an added enviormental benifit.
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I live close, but not close enough to grocery stores, the bank, etc. i live in a no busing school district, but still, a mile and a half when its blowing snow (i live in Colorado) is too far. so i drive, probably too much for my own good.

However, even if i was in the car an hour or less a week, i would have the safest carseat available to my child.

Alot can happen in an hour. and carseats are not overrated. I work in an emergency room, and too often see the devastation and tragedy that happens when children arent strapped in. Ive seen too many dead children to count. Of course, carseats cant prevent every death or injury. But i wouldnt take my chances.

Still, less time in the car can only be a good thing!
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Just to be 100% clear, my intention is not to suggest that the safety of cars and carseats shouldn’t be a concern for parents.

My idea is just that that is not the end all solution to the terrible statistics involving children and automobiles. I didn’t want to direct this at any individual parent because I know that everyone has individual circumstances. My gripe was much more directed at auto safety campaigns and the current atmosphere surrounding carseat safety.

What I’m getting at is that I resent that a driver of a super save car with a center mounted super safe carseat is perceived to care more about their child’s safety than I am. I have felt this vibe many times. It usually comes through with words like, “Well, I really care about my kid’s safety” or “Safety comes first in our family”. I don’t know, am I crazy or does this not come off as if I don’t care about my kid’s safety if I don’t buy these things?

Sometimes I wonder if the reason they don’t push for less time in the car is because they really want us in the car. “They” (don’t ask…I’m new to conspiracy theories) want us driving and buying.

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I think I see your point. I have many times been ofended by the
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It usually comes through with words like, “Well, I really care about my kid’s safety” or “Safety comes first in our family”.
comments. This usually because we have spent our parenting lives driving older, smaller vehicles. Can be very annoying. I've especially heard the talk among men. Almost like they are boasting to my DH and putting him down because we want to avoid the gas guzzlers and car loans.

(I must confess however that we just had to buy something bigger and newer due to the arrival of number 3. Multiple car seats just don't fit in every vehicle! It was quite a challange to finding one that worked be wasn't excessive in either size or price.)
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Sometimes I wonder if the reason they don’t push for less time in the car is because they really want us in the car. “They” (don’t ask…I’m new to conspiracy theories) want us driving and buying

Well, duh! Sorry, I couldn't resist! OF COURSE "they" (being the car manufacturers and the other businesses out there that sell things) want us driving and buying. That's what commercialism and business are about! You don't make any money if people don't buy anything. As for the gadgets available, some DO add to the safety of driving and some just make the ride easier or more comfortable. I don't see any mass conspiracies in this. It's finding what many consumers want, and making it available to them. Don't like the gadgets, don't buy 'em.

What I’m getting at is that I resent that a driver of a super save car with a center mounted super safe carseat is perceived to care more about their child’s safety than I am. I have felt this vibe many times. It usually comes through with words like, “Well, I really care about my kid’s safety” or “Safety comes first in our family”. I don’t know, am I crazy or does this not come off as if I don’t care about my kid’s safety if I don’t buy these things?

I think you are getting a bit carried away here. We just bought a new car in order for ds to remain in that center spot for as long as possible because WE feel that this is the safest place for him when riding in a car. With this vehicle, he can do that for years and years!). We have but one child and can afford to do this.

Do we think that people with more kids and, perhaps, less money, don't care about their children as much if they don't do the same? Of course not! People must do what is right for THEIR families, and not worry about what someone else thinks.

Now, if you go around with your kids in the front seat or skip using seatbelts because you're just going for a short drive or hold your child unsecured while driving or being a passenger, then YES, you do NOT care about your children's safety. The same could be said for not putting sunscreen or hats on your kids when you walk them to the store on a hot August day or not teaching them to swim if you have a pool or live near water.

Safety IS an issue. And, sadly, one that is often ignored by too many parents.

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We chose our location based on our desire to stay out of cars as much as possible. We told our realtor we needed to be within 10 blocks of our downtown so we'd be within walking distance of shops, restaurants, the library and bookstores. Our preschool is 1 1/2 blocks away. Dh rides his bike to work. We sometimes walk into town 3 times a day for various things. But I still have the safest booster seat you can buy and use it in the safest manner possible with the utmost attention to detail. It only takes one second (or one idiot driver) to change or end a life. I see nothing wrong with minimizing the risks. It doesn't have to be "either/or".

<rant>My peeve is the people who buy all the safety stuff but drive like selfish fools. Where did these people learn to drive and do they have any idea how dangerous they are?? To them:
Use your mirrors, turn your head to look, stop behind the line, look both ways, hang up the phone, put your hands on the wheel, make eye contact with other drivers, stop for pedestrians, observe the laws, and acknowledge that you're driving a giant weapon. All the metal and plastic in the world can't save you (or the rest of us) from yourself!!!</rant>

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As I reread my posts I can see why some of you think that I’m talking about an either/or type thing. I really didn’t want this to be about that.

When momto l&a said that she thought carseats were overrated, I think I know what she means. Carseats are overrated if people think that carseats alone are the solution to the problem of so many kids being injured in car accidents.

sweetbaby3, I wonder how many children you see at the hospital who were strapped in? What has got me me thinking about this was a tragedy in my hometown where a mother got into an accident while driving over a patch of ice. The mother and one child died and the other was seriously injured. ALL were strapped in properly and the car was considered on of the safest brands.

I know that some of you may have attended some infant and child safety public awareness programs or those carseat installation checks. Was reducing driving brought up?

My other ideas are making the roads safer in general. Thank you sohappy, I totally agree with your rant! And on the rant note, why does it always seem that the people driving aggressively around me are in big huge cars, thus quadrupling the danger of them crashing into me?

(OFF TOPIC: sohappy, do you mind telling us where you live? It sounds very nice. I'm in Heidelberg and we don't NEED to drive at all. I love that aspect of our town)

Also, I wonder if driving on safer roads would not be a possible solution. I know that when we lived in Santa Cruz, we drove the two lane coastal road to get everywhere. The speed on that road never goes over 30 miles/hour. It was when we were going start traveling over a dangerous commuter road that I really considered limiting that kind of driving.

Someone mentioned not driving at night. How about during high road rage and high speed times of day? What about limiting driving during bad weather? I remember being a kid and being snowed in! I was just in the US during a snow storm and everyone was out and driving thanks to big cars and a fast passed lifestyle.

And another person mentioned, installing seatbelts on busses to broaden the appeal to more parents.

And, yes, as so many of you mentioned the various environmental, cultural and physical advantages of just not driving as much should definitely be considered…always!


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Moving this to Parenting Issues.
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statisically (and physically) buses without seatbelts still have a lower injury/fatality rate than cars with carseats. A vehicle with that much mass absorbs a great deal of the impact. Plus being driven by a professionally licensed driver, and usually at lower speeds. So choosing a car over a public bus is a matter of personal perception more than actual safety.

articles that suggest limiting car seat time for newborns and preemies: due to oxygen sat. levels and apnea when in upright car seat or similar baby equipment. they suggest considering this issue in redesigning car restraints.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1526517.stm (lay article)
http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m.../article.jhtml
http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m.../article.jhtml (ped journal articles.)

I totally support driving less as a safety measure in addition to car seats. Plus dd hates the car, so it helps encourage it.
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IdentityCrisisMama, do you put your child in a carseat when you ARE in a car?

BTW, reducing "car time" is not an option for some people. I live in the country, in the woods. We are 15 miles from the nearest stores that we need to go to. Even if those stores were closer, it is not safe to walk on the roads (curvy roads, no sidewalks, etc). Also, I live in a cold climate; for half the year, it is far too cold to subject a baby (or any child or adult, for that matter) to a walk in sub-freezing weather.

And even if I were close enough to walk to the stores, how would you expect me to carry my child AND all the grocery bags? Even with a sling, I'd get pretty tired and worn down carrying all those bags. That's real safe. :

ETA: Even though you have "reduced car time," you should still focus on car-seat safety for the times that you ARE in a car. It's not appropriate to be lackadaisical about it just because you're not in the car often. Is it appropriate to be careless about co-sleeping safety just because one might co-sleep only once in a while? Of course not! It's still appropriate to follow safety guidelines! Anything can happen at any time; it doesn't matter how seldom you get in the car!
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My other ideas are making the roads safer in general. Thank you sohappy, I totally agree with your rant! And on the rant note, why does it always seem that the people driving aggressively around me are in big huge cars, thus quadrupling the danger of them crashing into me?

Also, I wonder if driving on safer roads would not be a possible solution. I know that when we lived in Santa Cruz, we drove the two lane coastal road to get everywhere. The speed on that road never goes over 30 miles/hour. It was when we were going start traveling over a dangerous commuter road that I really considered limiting that kind of driving.

Someone mentioned not driving at night. How about during high road rage and high speed times of day? What about limiting driving during bad weather? I remember being a kid and being snowed in! I was just in the US during a snow storm and everyone was out and driving thanks to big cars and a fast passed lifestyle.

And another person mentioned, installing seatbelts on busses to broaden the appeal to more parents.

And, yes, as so many of you mentioned the various environmental, cultural and physical advantages of just not driving as much should definitely be considered…always!

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Sometimes I wonder if the reason they don’t push for less time in the car is because they really want us in the car. “They” (don’t ask…I’m new to conspiracy theories) want us driving and buying.
Auto-safety campaigns are in place to teach parents how to best protect children when they are in a car. The campaign is in response to the hypothetical question, "How can I keep my child safest when we are in a car?" The answer to that question is NOT "Well, just don't put your child in a car." That's not an answer to the question.

I go to the carseat specialist to check the installation of our carseat, and I ask, "Is this installed correctly, making this as safe as possible for my child?" If he says, "Actually, your child is only safe if you never put her in the car at all," that does not answer my question! I'm quite intelligent; I realize that she is safest from car danger if she is never in a car. What I'm asking is, "How can I make her safest when we ARE in a car?" And that is the question that is answered my the safety campaigns. It wouldn't make any sense for "them" to tell you to stop putting your child in a car.

You remind me of that old joke, in which a man says to his doctor, "It hurts when I do this," while bending his arm at the elbow. The doctor replies, "So stop doing it!"
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Cool, so I'm the doctor right? In the joke?

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No fair! How come SHE gets to be the doctor? M-o-o-o-o-o-o-m-m-m-m-my, they never let me be the doctor.
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I can understand what you are saying it doesd make alot of sense just doesn't seem evry practical. I guess maybe if you live in the city and can catch the bus or train or everything is in walking distnace. BUt as a few mamas have stated not all of us live like that. So focusing on the safety issue just makes more sense to me. It takes me 15 minutes just to drive to the nearest grocery store so I am certainly not about to walk there. laso it seems to me that if you are limiting teh time that your kids spend in the car doesn't that mean that they are stuck in or around the house all the time? Okay unless everything you do is in walking distance but city life is not for me so I don't think I'll ever have that option. Woudl love to find a nice suburb somewhere that I can walk around to I do love to walk.
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IdentityCrisisMama, do you put your child in a carseat when you ARE in a car?
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I think I agree with the original post. We live in the country, and my husband gets upset at me if I go to the grocery store more than once a week. I used to live in the city and went to the grocery store at least three times a week. But, with a grocery list and menu, I have managed to cut it down to once a week. Part of that motivation is the trouble it takes to get ds in and out of the car. My husband's concern is the miles put on the car.

We have the least expensive car seat I could find (new, not used). Would a $250 car seat be safer? Perhaps. Perhaps not. We drive a small car, not a big SUV. When it snows, there are as many SUV's in the ditch as little cars like ours, largely due to the fact that people who drive SUVs think they're invincible.

Yes, I use a car seat, and yes, I try to drive safely. Avoiding an accident by avoiding unnecessary trips in the car and driving defensively probably saves more lives than $250 car seats in SUVs driven irresponsibly. Equipment isn't everything.

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On second thought, sohappy, you can be the doctor if I can be the midwife!

Corvus, Yea, I put my darling daughter in a carseat. :

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To the issue of driving less to increase child car safety. Well yes, I think the less you use your car, the less chance of an accident. Also, from a health and environment perspective it's better to limit driving.

And, Corvus, it IS possible to sling a baby and buy groceries. One of the nice things about living close to the markets is that you don't have to buy a week's worth of groceries every time you go!

And yeah, I find it very convenient for the carseat manufacturers that they are constantly finding ways to improve carseats, virtually guaranteeing that you must buy a new seat for every kid you have, since by the time the eldest has outgrown his/her seat, it is not the "latest thing on the market".

With all that said, however, I believe in erring on the side of caution. I will buy the best seat I can, even though we try to use the car as little as possible. The consequences of an accident, no matter how much you reduce the chances of one, are still too grave for me to consider otherwise.

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It's kinda like you're preaching to the choir, here, IdentityCrisisMama! I totally understand what you mean, though. My own dear mother & sister thought I was insane to bring up the idea of staying home more often. And I was talking not only of safety, but of the child's happiness (screaming baby hating carseat, etc.).

I have definitely stopped making so many unnecessary trips -- do we really need to eat out this often? If I stop at the grocery store now, I don't have to make a special trip tomorrow...

grahamsmom98 -- you commented that people who put their child in the front seat don't care about his/her safety. Did you mean vehicles with airbags? I have to say this is a situation where I've encountered raised eyebrows because my ds is in the front seat with me (no passenger side airbag, of course!!). I have a truck, so there is really no option. If I had a car (or ever got one) I would get one with an optional off switch for the passenger side air bag (assuming I even get that new of a vehicle!) so that baby could still ride up there safely. ITA that the safest place in a vehicle is in the center of it -- but if we are really prepared to follow that through, then shouldn't the front passenger seat be the last to use? If my dh and I actually get to go out to a movie (without ds) shouldn't I sit in the back center of his car while he drives? KWIM?

The way I look at it is that my ds was miserable if he couldn't see me. So I would rather have him in the passenger side seat (without airbag) so we can see each other and interact, than to have him screaming in the backseat and me a nervous wreck trying to calm him & drive. When he is happy I am a better driver, which is a BIG part of avoiding accidents, ya know?
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Hey, all

Thanks for your imput! I've been thinking about this issue and I can see that there is more that I can do besides ranting about it here.

I've written a letter:
(Because I think it makes sense for them to address this issue!)

Dear CPSafety,

Because you asked if there were anything I would like to see addressed on your web-site I will happily add my request. I’m concerned about the time the average American child spends in the car.

I wonder if you would be willing to include an article on the increasing amounts of time children are spending in automobiles. Surely, this is a major contribution to the rise in injuries and deaths among children in autos. From my perspective, carseats are becoming safer every year and are being consistently used by more and more people and yet the rate of childhood deaths keeps going up. Could it be time to add another strategy to your efforts?

I worry that when parents have completed all the carseat and automobile safety suggestions on your web-site they may feel they have done everything they can do to help keep their kids safe.

I think that an awareness campaign helping parents reduce the amount of time kids spend in the car would be a good contribution to your web-site. More importantly, I know that if parents limit the time their kids spend driving in the car (even by one trip a week), the number of children injured or killed will go down.

Please let me know what you think about this issue.

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I really think that's a good start. More mamas should get involved in this.
And I agree that spending less time in the car is a good idea to those who have the option.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...nguage=printer

article on children and length of time in car. Nationwide, an hour a day, and longer probably for children not in school or in dense traffic areas...parents estimate 2-3 is typical. Apparantly, they never studied before how long children were in cars so they could calculate risk due to exposure... Brings up other issues of frequent car usage.
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Awesome article, Clarity!! Thank you. I think I’ll e-mail it to CPSafety. Ya’ll gotta read it. It’s so much more eloquent and organized than I could ever be but really sums up what I was trying to say.

An interesting thing about the article is that it’s focused around the Washington, DC area. It was driving in that area in November that really got me thinking about the time kids are in the car. I couldn’t believe the amount of time Aya would have been in the car if I had done everything at the pace of my family and friends.

If you country mamas have a chance to read the article, you’ll see that my perspective wasn’t from a family driving down long country roads to the nearest store. My latest US driving experience was driving hours on long busy, commuter highways or families that do travel across town to get milk from Target instead of just going to the corner store.




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ITA that the safest place in a vehicle is in the center of it -- but if we are really prepared to follow that through, then shouldn't the front passenger seat be the last to use? If my dh and I actually get to go out to a movie (without ds) shouldn't I sit in the back center of his car while he drives?
Only if the center seat has a shoulder belt. For an adult, riding with just a lap belt (which is what my car has in the center) is riskier. It might be safer to ride at one side of the back seat than in the front, though. : I know I have read that passengers who get killed were most likely to have been in the front seat, but that might be because that's where passengers are most likely to ride....

Thanks for the article, Clarity! I'm glad kids' "drive time" is being studied.

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long country drives are bound to be safer in most cases. But here in the DC area...parents have long commutes (1-2 hours), both parents usually work...kids often attend nonlocal schools, plus the many scheduled afterschool activities. Not just accidents...but physical issues (ergonomics of being in the seat) an developmental...not moving, limited activities. I mean, we criticize overuse of saucers/walkers/playpens/swings...so while car seats are important safety equipment, some of the same issues of overuse apply.

So there's a lot of things...a safe car, a safe car seat, good installation. And lifestyle...one parent at home, a part time babysitter like the mom in the story, fewer "enrichment" activities and organized sports, attending your neighborhood school, or living near your school of choice, living near your workplace (or likely workplace...for instance if you work in some professions, you know Tyson's Corner, Reston and Rockville are big employment centers...)

I have ranted before that the burden of child safety is mostly on the parent...the variability of each seat and each car make it so difficult for anyone but the most committed and educated parent. Even with LATCH. My brand new car does not have LATCH in the center rear position for example or in the third row. And some cars get a safer install using non-latch installation! When new cars are so $$$, I'd like to see a more integrated car seat safety technology. But I agree, I do see the perception that anyone who does not drive a new car with the latest safety equipment and the "safest" car seat (like a britax, that's also the most expensive) is sometimes treated as if they don't care about the safety of their child. When probably they bought somehting at the their local store assuming it would be safe if they followed the instruction booklet.
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So, Clarity, you¡¦re in the DC area! Man, the commute around there was brutal! I fly into Dulles and my sister and cousin live in DC but I stay with my parents live in Baltimore. Driving those roads are stressful, to say the least.

Thanks for saying that you understand my perception about parents seeming to care less about their kid¡¦s safety when they don¡¦t have the latest and greatest. I was beginning to feel like I was the only one (other Czenƒº, who understood me early on!).

Also, thanks to Piglet for bringing the ¡§convenient¡¨ (and profitable) new carseat technology, which makes parents feel like they need to upgrade for every new kid . : This is something that doesn¡¦t seem to happen as much in Germany, btw.

And Pageta, You get me too about what I mean when I say ¡§reduce¡¨ time in the car. I like that you can look at in terms that you can fit in your lifestyle. I know a lot of others mentioned that they too make and effort to reduce time in the car (I don¡¦t think anyone¡¦s kids are sitting at home itching to go out for ride in the car).

Collectively, if we could all (of most of us¡Xnot just MDC parents¡Xlike if there was a big focus, nationally) just cut out a few miles a day the roads would be safer for kids. Many people mentioned how they reduce time. I live downtown, which makes it easy to cut out lots of car time. Others mentioned combining trips to the store or walking to the local market. These are all things that mean ¡§reducing¡¨ time in the car! If you can¡¦t reduce anytime in the car, than perhaps, like me, you¡¦re already down to your bare minimum for your lifestyle¡Kcongrats...we¡¦re more similar than you think.

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