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Funny- I wore my baby in Turkey, but everyone said the same thing about baby in the carrier. "That can't be comfortable in there!" "That is bad for her back!"
I more got: 'Is that comfortable for you?' because 'My baby bjorn kills my back', 'Is baby happy in there (obviously)' or 'I bet mine woudn't have wanted to stay in there even if I would have tried', 'where did you get this?', 'did you make it yourself or is it a sheet?' 'Oh you carry a baby in there!', and the occasional, indeed, 'is that comfortable for your baby?'

Oh yes, and what DID bother me with the wrap (tricot slen) was that my baby would fall asleep in sitting position and his head would fall backwards/sideways and so I got cramping from supporting his head with one hand. And the sling+baby+diaper bag+purse I found a pretty heavy load to carry on my outdoor trips, especially when I had an accompanying toddler and buggy too. Luckily it was a period of my life and I am not this much of a pack horse anymore.

I never got to understand the carrying belt for our stroller, it was extremely impratcical, and when the stroller was actually used you wouldn't want your clothes full of dirt and mud from the wheels.

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The most convenient thing about the sling IMO is just putting baby in it and wearing her pretty much all the time. It saves a lot of time compared to taking her in and out of other holding devices! And when I wasn't wearing her, I just still kept the sling on. That's also one of the great advantages of the sling versus the bucket or the stroller -- when the baby isn't in it, it's no hassle to keep it with you. How often do you see people at a park or in a store carrying an empty bucket or pushing an empty stroller while carrying their baby in arms or with a walking toddler? The sling has no inconvenience to bring along with you even when baby's not in it.
When DD was an infant I wore my Moby everywhere, even if she wasn't in it, lol.
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Play yard fences are fantastic! I have two and I joined them together to fence off my back "yard" It is really just a tiny patch of dirt and a stretch of cement. That way I can sit in there with my son and let him ride around on his bike and play on his slide while I watch and not constantly be running him down and saying, "No, you may not go rip up the neighbors flower bed!" I am actually on the lookout for another one this summer to make our play space even bigger.

I used a pacifier with DS when he was in infant, but I used it in the car only, and he gave it up when he was about 4 months old. It was a godsend because he would literally start screaming the instant he was put into the car seat until I was able to nurse him when we stopped. I am a single mama, so getting into the car was not optional.

I also have used a harness and leash very occasionally, and plan to bring it with me when we go camping this summer. I don't think I will need to use it much at all, but I am definitely not against it.

I have and use sippy cups regularly, along with strollers. My son is too little to walk the miles that I love to walk, and he is too heavy to carry for that distance. Plus, being in the stroller allows him to have snacks, water and toys, plus it doubles as a super-jumbo purse/diaper bag/cup holder for me. No guilt at all about that one.

DS also had a bouncy seat and a doorway jumper that allowed me to shower and brush my teeth before he could walk. Those were a life saver, and as much as I hated the idea of him "stuck" in something, it worked for us.

Our pack and play really became the laundry dumping ground, so that was a complete waste of money. I passed on the offer of a gift of a crib from my mom, and am so glad I did. DS still does not have a bed of his own in his room, and most likely won't for a few years.

I did have a swing for him, but he hated it, and only was happy in it once for about 10 minutes. I ditched that when he was about a month old as it took up way too much space.

Oh, I had a Bumbo too, and never felt that it was a bad thing. DS loved being upright, and it helped him to balance on his super skinny, super long torso.

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The play yard fences can come in handy. I remember one episode of J&K where they put the fence up around the christmas tree and presents to keep the kids out, not stash the kids in it.
I had a very tiny tabletop tree for 2-3 years just because of this reason, and when I noticed my child couldn't stay of the presents, would put them away and take out agaşn on Xmas eve :-). But we didn't have a large family X-mas celebration ever, justr the 3 or 4 of us at home. This year we had the usual larger tree + the mini tree, which my 5y old has decorated all by himself. Just another solution, and not fence-expensive (well I don't think anyone would actually get these fences for a tree ONLY, and if we would have had a fireplace in use, I would have gotten a fireplace shield for sure).

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I had a very tiny tabletop tree for 2-3 years just because of this reason, and when I noticed my child couldn't stay of the presents, would put them away and take out agaşn on Xmas eve :-). But we didn't have a large family X-mas celebration ever, justr the 3 or 4 of us at home. This year we had the usual larger tree + the mini tree, which my 5y old has decorated all by himself. Just another solution, and not fence-expensive (well I don't think anyone would actually get these fences for a tree ONLY, and if we would have had a fireplace in use, I would have gotten a fireplace shield for sure).
We have a real tree every year, and to be honest I think that paying for a fence is a cheap price to pay for our tradition of everyone taking part in decorating a 6' fir tree. I'd be willing to use one for the tree only if we end up having to.

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i think it's not so much the actual item or gadget as it is how it is used as to whether or not it's "demeaning".

i have to say i'm raising an eyebrow at some of the comments on alot of the more mainstream gadgets...how on earth is a baby tub a demeaning/silly thing? when i had my dd, we lived in a beach bungalow with a very small, concrete shower. there was NO WAY i felt ok showering in there with dd. i couldve gotten a mesh sling (which is technically a gadget ) but that was not for me. the kitchen sink was shallow and old. so we used a baby tub, and she loved it.

i dearly love our high chair too. my food-loving ds is right at the table with us, but has the trayspace and freedom to eat how he eats (which is generally pretty neat, but still messy enough) and i get to enjoy my meal also. i find trying to eat with him in my lap to be very messy and very frustrating for us both. he is not ready to be in a booster seat (gadget) anytime shortly....

most baby gadgets are not useful to me, but that doesn't mean they aren't lifesavers or major convenience items for another parent. why all the judgement? even bottle proppers have a place of usefulness for someone, i'm sure-what if you had more babies than you have hands?


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i think it's not so much the actual item or gadget as it is how it is used as to whether or not it's "demeaning".

i have to say i'm raising an eyebrow at some of the comments on alot of the more mainstream gadgets...how on earth is a baby tub a demeaning/silly thing?
I think I'm the one who first brought up baby tubs, and I certainly never suggested in any way that they're demeaning. In certain circumstances, such as yours, I can see them being useful. I just find the idea that a baby needs a special plastic tub to bathe in kind of strange, and I think it's a shame that so many people really think they need to spend the money, yk?

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I just find the idea that a baby needs a special plastic tub to bathe in kind of strange,
If you can't heat your bathroom (no safe outlet for space heater, lots of drafts) then you bathe baby in a different room. Also it is easier to fill a small tub up to a good height to keep baby warm without wasting a ton of water filling the tub to that level. You can save gallons upon gallons.

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Okay, I just thought of one...are there bottle propers, b/c if so, they'd be bad.
Unless you have triplets or more.
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If you can't heat your bathroom (no safe outlet for space heater, lots of drafts) then you bathe baby in a different room. Also it is easier to fill a small tub up to a good height to keep baby warm without wasting a ton of water filling the tub to that level. You can save gallons upon gallons.
Yes, good point. And I usually bathed my babies in the baby bath on the kitchen counter in the sun, which was very pleasant, only I needed a step stool (gadget :-) myself not to kill my back because the counter+bath a bit too high :-).

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I just thought it as fun to do some introspection on the stuff we bought, the stuff we never bought, the stuff we had but which we actually never needed and the stuff we never had but could have been useful. And just reflection on how much of it is actually REALLY needed to care for a baby (not much at all). Even though I had quite some gadgets, I know I could've done perfectly well, but differently, without most of it. I find it interesting to read how other parents have other opinions and experiences and how one can find sth totally useless or ridiculous while it's been a life-saver for another one. I do not think the tone of the thread is meant to be demeaning .

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I agree its all in how its used. Just about anything can be demeaning to a child when used wrong. Even a carrier can be demeaning if the parent ignores their hysterical child while hes in it (Ive seen this and Ive heard the parent tell the child to shut up before she hits him).
Things I wouldn't use (this is just for me because of my childrens temperments, not to be a hit on anyone else)
Leashes- Ive never liked them and never used them. However, I have two girls and my oldest knows my mommy voice means stop. My youngest is barely crawling so I don't have to worry to much about her. Ive just never agreed with leashes for normal children (some developmentally challenged children it becomes a safetly need), however, if a parent has a runner or multiple young ones I can see where they might need a leash.
Anything that attaches a bucket seat to you. Although, it might have been useful when trying to escort two kids, two carseats and multiple bags of luggage through customs.
"Educational" toys or any toy that makes a lot of noise in order to "teach" your baby/toddler something.
Baby bathtubs- I actually had one with my first baby and we only used it once. It was more of a hassle than a help.
Wooden spoons or paddles- I just wanted to add this one in because two women at the playground were discussing the best wooden spoon to get to spank their child with and one was listing the ones not to get because they break to easy..

I do have baby gagets laying around the house. I have a bouncy seat because I didn't want to put the baby down on the floor while I showered (my husband is gone ALOT so waiting for him to hold her wasn't going to happen). I have a pack and play thats never been taken out of the bag except when a friend came over and used it. I have a jumperoo because it gives me five minutes to chop up veggies and cook the meat for dinner (two things I won't do with DD2 in a sling, she likes to kick at things and Im worried she will get burned/cut). I got a bunch of carriers that I just love since it gives me two free hands to play with DD1 while DD2 is in my arms. However, DD2 is starting to not like the carrier unless shes tired or we are out and about so they are being used less.

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Things that have never been used in our home are pacifiers. And no thumb sucking happened.

I believe actually that sippy cups were on of the most unnescessary purchases we did/gifts we were given. I think we have 4. And then 2 with a straw. All plastic, which now gives me the creeps anyway. One was Avent and very expensive. Especially ds2 never really liked to use those and they were not really 'no spill' anyway, or hard to get any fluids from. The need to have those was more regarding my remembering having enjoyed my own sippy cups (I have been 100 percent bottle fed). However, I never have used a pacifier as a baby, never liked it, thumb and my handkerchief were much better
I didn't realize that sippy cups were considered to be baby/toddler gadgetry . DD was offered a regular cup before a sippy cup. But, a sippy cup is certainly helpful when we are out and about (in the car, walking/hiking, eating out, etc.). Plus, many exclusively BF'd babes go straight to a sippy cup (and bypass the bottle altogether). And, there are several stainless steel sippy cups available (I avoid plastics, as well...but, even most plastic sippy cups are BPA free).

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Me neither :-). Untill I realised they have not been very useful for my ds2 and have just been taking space in my kitchen drawers. Ds1 has used those more often but I must admit we could've easily done without. I now got stainless steel water bottles and a thermos for when we're out (gadgets! lol). And we now use porcelain, earthware and glassware more often too and I do not heat that much in plastic containers anymore. I really don't know how I got so hooked on plastic baby food containers/plates/cups in the past...

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I didn't think about sippy cups. DD1 would never use a sippy cup, we went straight to straw cups and regular cups. Straw cups I use for in the car, regular cups for at home. One of my friends watched her while I was in the hospital with DD2 and tried to offer her a sippy cup, DD1 was confused about what she was suppose to do with it and tried to take off the lid so she could get a drink.

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Funny about the sippy cups - DD was never a fan of those as a baby, she had those plastic juiceboxes which, while plastic, were very well designed AND actually spillproof, and easy for kids to use. I got icked out by the plastic and switched her to a sigg water bottle (she only ever drank water anyway). A few months ago we were at a friend's place and she had sippy cups and DD just fell in love with them so our friend gave us a couple. Now DD likes to drink her tea out of them, of all things - she still prefers regular glasses at home or a sigg/klean kanteen while we're out for water.

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THIS horrid thing.

Odd.
That reminds me of a papoose hung in a tee-pee.

It also reminds me of a news story from several years ago. Thieves were reaching over bathroom stalls and stealing purses. So the venue (I think it was a stadium) removed the hooks from the stall doors. The enterprising thieves put their own hooks up.

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I agree that parents are really sold a bill of goods with baby stuff. Those list of all the things you need are so silly. Like a baby bath is nice and useful for some, but a baby can get perfectly clean with a sponge bath if money is a real issue.

Those baby wigs are weird, but I can't help wanting to try the pink wig on my baby.

My two girls were very different and so I found the gadgets I used with them were different.

DD1 seems to need more space, though she isn't one of those babies that hates being cuddled. But she loved the bouncy chair which I fixed up so it attached to my kitchen table. What boggles my mind now is I would turn her around to look out the big window where there was a bird-feeder, and she would watch the birds for 1/2 an hour. She also loved the Jolly Jumper, and she hated the sling. By about a year, we had to move her out of our bed because she couldn't sleep if she was too close to people, so she got a fair bit of use out of the crib.

DD2 is totally different, she wouldn't sit in any gadget and loves the sling. She's never slept in the crib, which now gets used as a changing table, and I plan to transition her to a bed in dd1's room eventually.

I did appreciate the crib a few times when I had emergencies, like the dog found a porky-pine, or I had a chimney fire.

I really love sippy cups, since I never had to deal with bottles, the girls got suippy cups from 6 moths and by 8 moths could use them by themselves.

The one thing that has been great and I am glad we got was a stroller with a "surfing" platform and jump seat on the back. I can go to the park or grocery shop with the baby in the front, dd1 can surf or sit when she gets tired, and it carries a lot of groceries.

Edit - those cups with straws - I would never use one in a car, I had a terrible accident as a kid when my mom had to break suddenly and the straw took all the skin off the roof of my mouth. If it had gone through the soft palate it could have been serious and not just sore. I think a sippy is a lot safer for the car.

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We had all the gadgets either purchased by us or for us. I never did get the baby tub. I tried it, the baby slipped all over the thing, then I had to lug this thing with water back to the bathroom to empty it, making a mess all the way. I soon switched to the kitchen sink.

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Before I found MDC, I was calculating the cost of all the stuff I would "need" and thought I could never quit work and be a stay at home mom.. I am now much less worried about the future. I'm a CC believer also, to the extent that it will work in a non-village situation.

So here's my take on gadgets: Like pretty much everyone else has said, they can come in handy for certain situations or children, but many of them are not actually necessities (although I have to say, my mom had a jolly jumper thing for the kids that she used for years--the only thing she had besides a crib I think, and I would watch my siblings and be soooo jealous because I wanted to use it...)
I don't think that anything not used for punishment is really 'demeaning'. Leashes/harnesses feel demeaning to parents I think, but I know a bunch of kids prefer them to other ways of keeping them close by parents in an unsafe environment. Also, I (like many kids) pretended to be an animal when I was little. We made our own leashes to pretend we were pets. I don't think we were demeaning ourselves. It was no big deal because in our culture, dogs were mostly on leashes for whatever reason (safety, laws, etc) We had a blast. I think we even played seeing-eye dog, and you sure gotta have a harness for that.
For the CC side of things, I do believe the fact that kids will naturally want to stay within safe distance of parents/caregivers (I've been experimenting a little with other peoples' kids to test this theory in safe areas haha) BUT sometimes that safe distance isn't safe enough because of the environment and that's where things like a harness would come in handy. I dunno, maybe you can train your kid to shorten their acceptable distance, but I won't fall into the trap of thinking that every kid is 'normal' and 'should' be able to do something.

Gadgets seem to take the place of other caregivers that we could have access to in a village situation. My personal belief is that we wouldn't need ANY of them if we were jungle dwellers It's sorta sad that we've had to compensate with so much STUFF because of our lifestyles and culture. So yeah, I won't judge anyone for using something even if I cringe at the thought of using it myself (I have to say, I really don't like the idea of bucket seats and I will do my darnedest to keep from ever ever using one--again, no judgement for those who do). It's gotta be hard to have to adjust childcare to a society where most of the time you don't have 3-4 willing adults nearby who will help fill your child's needs.
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If you can't heat your bathroom (no safe outlet for space heater, lots of drafts) then you bathe baby in a different room. Also it is easier to fill a small tub up to a good height to keep baby warm without wasting a ton of water filling the tub to that level. You can save gallons upon gallons.
I just said in my last post that there are circumstances where they make sense. I'm talking about the majority of people I've known, who swear you need a tub to bathe the baby. These people all have modern kitchen sinks - deep enough to accommodate a baby - just like me. If they want a baby tub, that's fine.

My only problem with the tubs is that I personally think it's silly that most people seem to think they need to buy a plastic tub in order to bathe their baby. I've seen people with perfectgly adequate kitchen sinks financially overextend themselves to guy the "needed" baby tub. I, personally, think that's silly.

If you don't have a kitchen sink, or you live in a house where heating is a problem, or whatever, then, yeah - I can see the use. I just don't think that most people need them, okay?

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I just said in my last post that there are circumstances where they make sense. I'm talking about the majority of people I've known, who swear you need a tub to bathe the baby. These people all have modern kitchen sinks - deep enough to accommodate a baby - just like me. If they want a baby tub, that's fine.

My only problem with the tubs is that I personally think it's silly that most people seem to think they need to buy a plastic tub in order to bathe their baby. I've seen people with perfectgly adequate kitchen sinks financially overextend themselves to guy the "needed" baby tub. I, personally, think that's silly.

If you don't have a kitchen sink, or you live in a house where heating is a problem, or whatever, then, yeah - I can see the use. I just don't think that most people need them, okay?
I think I get what you are saying because I feel it applies to nearly all of this stuff. Newly expecting parents often think they NEED baby tubs, travel system, nursery furniture, pacifiers, bottles, playpens, blah blah blah. It's SO MUCH STUFF. You cannot possibly need all of it. There may be a few things you might find useful in your specific situation, but for the most part it is largely unnecessary.
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Ok, that is... Mildly disturbing, to put it mildly...
; seriously? im not sure what to think lol!
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I think the main difference between MDC mamas and more mainstream ones...is that in general (of, not all) AP moms are looking for tools to help us stay closer to baby and do things as natural as possible, whereas more mainstream moms see every modern convenience as necessary. I do not say this to be judgmental - i see it in my friends who houses are filled with every possible gadget, contraption, and electronic toy out there. Obviously, every mom is different and finds different things useful & babies find different things comforting. The one baby gadget I found really helpful was the bouncy seat - great for taking showers, but that was really the only time I used it.

I never had much use for a Pack n Play - for playpen purposes - the one time we used it was when we were staying at my moms and hubby and I decided we wanted to use the hot tub. We set the Play yard on the deck right next to the hot tub and we enjoyed 20 minutes of relaxation. I think that is honestly the only time I ever put her in there - it mainly was used for storage.

On the other side, our friends came over with their crawling baby and immediately set theirs up. And sat at the table with us to have a beer. I thought it was kind of weird - I would have happily played with their daughter - but they didn't even give us a chance. It was kind of sad to me. To not even give her the chance to explore - our house was not necessarily baby proofed, but we didn't have much so she really wouldn't have hurt herself or our stuff. i got the impression that's just the way they did things - they brought the PnP everywhere.
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If you don't have a kitchen sink, or you live in a house where heating is a problem, or whatever, then, yeah - I can see the use. I just don't think that most people need them, okay?
I just want to say that I was one of the people who said the tummy tub was useful, and I completely agree with this statement. Most people, who have the benefit of central heating and/or double-glazed windows, do NOT need a special tub for their baby.

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I'm irked by the bucket seat that you can snap into a stroller frame and snap into a swing frame. I can just see babies spending COUNTLESS hours in the bucket seat cause no one bothered to pick babe up just transfered from stroller to car to swing. Makes me sad to think about how little contact they'd be getting.
We had the swing for the bucket seat and I loved it when she was really little. It was good if I was going to a family member's house. My daughter was a mega "swing napper" and would only stay asleep durng the day if she was constantly moving. My body got very worn out from the swaying, so I would get her to sleep and then put her in the swing. Or if We arrived somewhere and she was asleep I could pop the bucket right into the swing until she woke up and she would get a great nap. My daugter was never in the bucket awake for very long at all. I also snapped the carseat into the stroller a lot but usually only until we got into wherever we were going. My DD was a premie and came home during a very cold winter, so getting her out of the carseat into a sling would not have been very feasible.

Our unused gadget was the pack and play. We only used it as a changing table in the living room. I think we may have laid her in it 5 times when she was really little and fell asleep before we were going to bed.
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I just want to say that I was one of the people who said the tummy tub was useful, and I completely agree with this statement. Most people, who have the benefit of central heating and/or double-glazed windows, do NOT need a special tub for their baby.
I'll also say that I wasn't referring specifically to the tummy tub. My gut reaction to that was "that thing is so weird", but when I stopped to think about it, it actually seemed to make sense, yk? I just meant tubs, in general.

I think the tummy tub looks like it might be even better than a regular tub, if there are home heating issues.

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I just said in my last post that there are circumstances where they make sense. I'm talking about the majority of people I've known, who swear you need a tub to bathe the baby. These people all have modern kitchen sinks - deep enough to accommodate a baby - just like me. If they want a baby tub, that's fine.
Am I the only person squicked out by the idea of putting tiny baby parts in a kitchen sink? Hasn't anyone ever seen the stories about all the bacteria found in kitchen sinks? I'm so NOT a germophobe, but I'd take my plastic baby tub over that any day. Plus, both DDs LOVED to lay back and splash and play in the baby tub. I wanted to be able to sit next to them on the floor and play too! We have some awesome video footage of our chunky monkey DD1 in the bath, totally hilarious...

And I loved our crib too. It was so useful for both girls...for cosleeping It was an awesome sidecar for our queen bed We also loved our swing and vibrating bouncy seat and mei tai (man, I didn't want to give that thing up). I don't know, I'm all for things that make life easier. I also never took either girl out of their buckets when we were out and about, because they were perfectly happy and snug as bugs once they were in, but PUTTING them in made them scream every time. Why make them cry on more occasions than necessary, KWIM?

For the most part, I'm in the "it's all in the application" boat (though I agree about the paddles, wooden spoons, time-out accoutrements, etc.).

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Am I the only person squicked out by the idea of putting tiny baby parts in a kitchen sink? Hasn't anyone ever seen the stories about all the bacteria found in kitchen sinks?
I hadn't even thought about it, but it doesn't bother me. I'm sure the bathtub I bathe in has lots of germs, too.

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I hadn't even thought about it, but it doesn't bother me. I'm sure the bathtub I bathe in has lots of germs, too.
True. Was it Jerry Seinfeld who does the bit about not taking baths because you're basically just stewing in a warm soup of your own debris or something? (Not that I feel that way about baths--I'd kill for a decent-size tub! It just reminded me of it )

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