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I'm with lilyka. I can't bring myself to care about insects...
This is a question out of total ignorance and curiosity: how come?

I was brought up with the whole karmic thing, but I'm taking that out of the equation for obvious reasons (not want to start a religious/spiritual discussion) but...my other reasoning is that animals...all animals, bugs included...have nervous systems and feel pain. Death to an insect would likely hurt as much as death to a human...and for pleasure rather than use? (ie. food, clothing, protection from bites and poison) I can't wrap my head around it...can you shed some light? Is it a learned thing (ie. my mom does it so I'm desensitized kind of thing..)
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This is a question out of total ignorance and curiosity: how come?

I was brought up with the whole karmic thing, but I'm taking that out of the equation for obvious reasons (not want to start a religious/spiritual discussion) but...my other reasoning is that animals...all animals, bugs included...have nervous systems and feel pain. Death to an insect would likely hurt as much as death to a human...and for pleasure rather than use? (ie. food, clothing, protection from bites and poison) I can't wrap my head around it...can you shed some light? Is it a learned thing (ie. my mom does it so I'm desensitized kind of thing..)
My parents always killed bugs if they were in the house. So it was just *normal*, just what we did. I do remember once crying because they killed a cricket... and also going through phases where I insisted we trap the bugs in a cup & bring them outside. I've always had a lot of conflicting feelings on killing bugs inside your home (I don't think it's OK to kill them outside unless they're biting you). I have had a colony of ants, for example, set up shop on my bathroom floor, and a fruit-fly infestation near our compost bucket, and dozens of moths & flies make their way into our bedroom at once -- capturing & releasing that many bugs just was beyond what I was willing to do. (Now why we get so many bugs, I don't know!!) I think in some ways, killing bugs in the house IS about protection, even if they aren't actually biting you or anything. For my family's health & safety, we can't just have bugs overrun our house. I *could* catch & release them, but I have my hands full as it is, for me that's just not realistic. So... that's my story. For me it's not that I don't care about bugs, but more that I don't want bugs in my house & I don't care about them ENOUGH to go through that much trouble.

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but...my other reasoning is that animals...all animals, bugs included...have nervous systems and feel pain. Death to an insect would likely hurt as much as death to a human...
Actually, insects' nervous systems are very different from ours, and I think it's unlikely that they feel pain or suffer in any way. If an insect is injured, it doesn't try to protect or avoid using the injured part the way a mammal would. It certainly doesn't show signs of suffering due to its injury. (If you want more in-depth discussion of the subject, including some opposing views, Google "do insects feel pain.")
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I wouldn't be ok with my kids doing it.
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Bugs inside our house = OK to quickly kill, unless it's a bug we can easily and safely capture and release outside.

Bugs outside = off limits to touch, it's their house and we leave them be and look only.

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I catch big bugs/mice in our house and let them go and I've been a vegetarian for 20 years due to my love of animals.

The tricky part is there are some bugs in the house that you just can't easily catch. Fruit flies are one that I do swat at, especially if they are zipping past our food while eating. And what do you do about mosquitos who are biting you? It's hard not to slap your itching skin while under attach.

Spiders, crickets, beetles, moths, etc... I do catch and release.

I do rememember killing bugs as a child and now that I have a DS of my own, I plan to teach him a respect for all living things, though again, there are varying degrees of that due to necessity I think.
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mmmm....quick kill in the house, I have no problem with.  And if my kid would rather stomp the invading ants, I'll leave him to it.  He's good at it.  Faster than me. lol.gif

Anything that messes with our food is liable to face the consequences.

 

Outside, we leave bugs alone.  And I do not allow torture, physical pulling apart of critters, and that kind of stuff. I once killed a slug with salt, and still feel horrible about it.  I regretted it the moment I did so, because it was pure curiosity and totally unnecessary.

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I've been told that I am a tree hugger, but I do not support PETA. They strike me as extremists, and I do not see the world so black and white. However, I still don't believe in killing other living creatures if it's avoidable, and I also avoid most animal products. I also believe that there are times that killing another creature may be necessary. If hares are destroying your crops, clearly something has to be done. I don't believe a family must starve so that other creatures might live. I may very well be a tree hugger, but that does not mean that I'm brainwashed, nor does it mean that I am judgmental. I try my best to do what I feel is right, and I lead my children the same way. I do not expect everyone to have the same views as me, and I will not condemn someone (or insist they've been brainwashed by an extremist organization) if their views differ from my own.

 

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When I was a child we lived on several acres outside of town.  We all had bb guns and enjoyed shooting them.  The one thing my mother was clear about was we were NEVER to shoot an animal.  We had no right to take their lives for our enjoyment.  Heck, one of my brother's shot another brother (in the stomach) and that was reacted to with less anger than attacking an innocent animal.

 

I have no problem with people who choose to hunt animals for their fur and/or meat.  I have a problem with people who take lives simply because they can.  Who have no concept that animals have existences outside of their uses to humans.

 

And you know what, I salted slugs as a kid. We had them all over the place and that was just how we got rid of them.  My dad put out gopher traps and killed gophers/moles all the time.  It was gross to me, but not wrong (as an adult, I've never had a gopher or mole to deal with and am actually interested if I would be bothered by the mounds *in my yard* or if I would just figure it's their home--- I know I don't try to stop rabbits from eating my plants).  I never did any other animal/bug/bird killing (though I also licked a slug once, lol) but I'm certainly not proud of salting the slugs I did.  When you know better, you do better.  And I am raising my children to have respect for life and realize that other creatures have the right to existence as well.

 


 

 

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I also wanted to add: for the OP.  I think that many otherwise normal, compassionate, caring individuals go through a time period where they harass or kill "animals."  It is not necessarily a problem (though, I think if you're killing, especially if it includes torture or secrecy (so hunting wouldn't fall into this category) mammals you should consider that there may be a problem. 

 

I just don't think that torturing or killing animals is a *necessary* developmental step.  You can definately discourage your children away from animal abuse from a young age and it is fairly easy for them to pick up that belief like any other you would teach them.  Neither of my kids have ever hurt an animal that I know of--- though DS has chased a few birds (I'm fine with chasing birds *away* if they are bothering you--- trying to steal  your food, pecking at your things, but some kids throw rocks and just bother the heck out of them which I'm not okay with).


 

 

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obviously way different than the rest of us.  You can attack or you can understand.  I don't allow harming of animals because where I'm at there is no reason for it.  If my dogs take out a bird or a opossum then so be it.  I will not allow my kids to kill animals or bugs because there is no need to do so.  If there was a need then maybe that would have to be something we did.   Living in the suburbs... no need.
 

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I think we get it, you're from a different place.  That means some of us are from a different place... which means we all think differently.  If you feel it's fine to do what you do, and we feel it's fine to think how we think... calling us names is "shutting" US up.  Kill all the pests you want, by all means enjoy it.  I'll continue not killing things, because I don't want to and because there is no reason for me to do so.  That does not mean you get to call me a name you have tried to make derogatory. 
 

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I have removed several posts.  Most of them were by one poster who has been banned.  I also removed posts that were only referring to those posts. 

 

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I as a 23 year old adult have (on more than one occasion) reprimanded the boys I baby sit, 4 and 8, for killing to bug to go "LOOK I KILLED IT! ITS DEAD!" because that is NOT okay with me. I explained that they can feel pain, and that hurt them... but that is my 2cents

 

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"I can't bring myself to care about insects" - well, this is soooo weird to me, but I get that everyone is coming from a different place.

 

 

We do not kill bugs. Period. We live with a large spider population in our home and go out of our way to maintain their habitat and leave them completely undisturbed. The spiders are not to be feared, have no interest in messing with us...and keep the house pretty much completely free of other critters...flies, etc.

 

We do kill rabbits and chickens and fish and help other people with the slaughter of larger animals. My DD has helped with this on many occasions. She understands that there is a huge difference between us breeding and killing rabbits for food...and stomping a bug just because you can.

 

We take life very seriously here. We raise and kill as much of our own food as we can, because we find it unbearable to eat the flesh of animals that were raised or slaughtered inhumanely and, really, even if an animal was kept very well...it feels "icky" for me to eat an animal that was killed by someone else. In killing and butchering the animal myself, I feel I am taking responsibility for the death of the creature and know that the creature was properly honored.

 

My DD takes life very, very seriously. When she finds a dead bug or newt or if we lose a chicken to a dog, etc....she INSISTS upon burying the lost soul and saying nice words over it's little grave.

 

So....maybe it's normal for some kids to squash bugs. I remember seeing this (and hating it) as a kid. But in this household....while other kids are pulling daddy long legs apart and laughing....my daughter is digging little holes in the ground and burying them in little matchboxs...and speaking words like "I bet you were really good at catching things. I hope you have good dreams when you sleep. I love you" - and yeah, I'm gonna be proud about that as much as I want to...because it IS better to raise our children to be compassionate, to take life seriously and to hold each and every living thing as important, precious and as a part of a larger circle of life that encompasses us all.

 

Kids know what parents teach. I teach love. I teach responsibility. Senseless killing doesn't have a place in my home....whether we're talking about civilian casualties in a war zone or a bug crawling on the floor...it pisses me off and I don't appreciate hearing other parents thinking it's not a big deal...because, in MY mind, the kid who grows up thinking it's perfectly okay not to care about bugs...is more LIKELY to grow up to be a man or woman who doesn't flinch when the news man drones on about "this or that number of civilians died in Iraq today as US troops stormed so-and-so village".

 

If you have eight legs or walk upright on two or are a hairy little rabbit...you are born of the same energy into this world and have certain rights.

 

If I found out that a kid of mine was on the playground and was pulling apart a bug by it's legs while laughing....there would be such an intense conversation about that and a very, very intense series of ongoing discussions coupled with a deeper walk into lessons surrounding the importance of life and respecting the rights of creatures living on this earth.

 

Sorry for the rant, but I tend to be a "slippery slope" type of gal. I don't expect a child, taught to disrespect "small" forms of life....to grow up with a TRUE and fundamental respect for "larger" forms of life.


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