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Old 06-13-2012, 09:36 PM
 
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Carrie ~ I thought about Chris taking her but wasn't sure if he'd be around. I say, definitely, if he's there and you are that tired, let him do it. Maybe you could even get a rest/nap, not have to wake Finn for her to go.

JJ ~ Yay for 6 months of EBF! joy.gif From here on out it will begin to be less demanding. When I was at my mom's and had to go out I didn't have to worry about being gone for more than 2 hours because I knew she could feed him whatever. Even with sleep, he likes to nurse to sleep when he's with me but can fall asleep other ways when he's with others. One time when dh and I were out, maybe at the bank already refinancing the truck loan (I'll tell you all about that later.), when we got home my mom said that Dylan had fallen asleep in his high chair. She didn't even notice. Kellen told her. I think she was making food for everyone. lol.gif Alas, when she tried to put him down in bed he woke up but he went right back to sleep when I got home and nursed him.

On that note, he's been asleep now since 8:30. I know I should go to bed but I'm enjoying being able to stay up and watch some X-Files.

Ethan was like those 2yos, waking 3-4 times a night. It wasn't too bad then. There's something different when an older baby/toddler wakes. I guess because they can understand more it's not so hard getting them back to sleep (maybe).

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I didn't see any pics of Ryan...hmmmm....


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Did you all see the pic I posted of Ryan on FB? No one commented. I thought I'd get a lot of shocked comments. greensad.gif

 

I even went and checked your timeline. Nuffin.

 

AnnieA - Keep us updated please. I will definitely say some prayers that it is nothing major. 

 

JJ - yay for six months of exclusive BFing! whoop whoop!

 

Baby_Cakes (I now know where you got your name thanks to FB! LOL) If you are so tired you can't even drive, but then can't fall asleep for a quick nap, that is nuts! Srsly - get some sleep or something! Do you suffer from insomnia? I can only think of one or two times where I was pretty drowsy driving. No fun :(

 

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^^^ When my chronic fatigue flared up, that's what it was like. I would be so tired that literally I felt like I couldn't move, but I would lay in bed for hours unable to fall asleep. Then once I fell asleep, I could easily sleep for 12 hours straight, and wake up still tired. It was a horrible horrible feeling. 

 

 

And I didn't see the Ryan picture either. Glitch. FB has been screwy lately. 


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I didn't see a Ryan picture. hmm.

 

JJ: 6 months is a big deal! and Norah LOVES food. LOVES. But she doesn't take in very much either, TBH. And I am really ok with that. The next big hurdle is teeth, and it IS a hurdle. Not the bottoms so much, but the ones on top . . . I remember having to work with Gabe as he learned to readjust his latch.

 

I can't leave Norah without milk. and I still get engorged and leak. *shrug* it doesn't happen often, but does if I forget to nurse from a side for a while, or go too long between feedings.

 

Poor baby is working on her first tooth. I think. she has a low grade fever at any rate and seems mostly miserable. No other signs of illness, so I think it has to be teeth.

 

I am counting down the months until I can hang up the pump. I can't tell you how much I'm looking forward to that! 4 months! woot! I can't imagine not nursing her . . .  but I do look forward to it all the same. Bittersweet.

 

enough about us.

 

Annie - so glad you are going with your gut. I hope everything turns out to be ok. KUP as you can.

 

MW - we refinanced my car right away. the credit union at the time was kind of slow on pre-approvals and what not, so we did the dealership financing, then refi'd through NFCU; much better rates. I have only a payment and a half left on it!  I hope refi on the truch went ok.

 

Carrie - I have too often driven that exhausted. no real choice, as we don't have public transit, and well, I need to work. It's rough though. I hope you are able to get some sleep. Nap with Finn while Norah has quiet time with books or TV (we use the TV too much, but sometimes, it's a blessing)? I have started putting Gabe to bed, because that consists of just laying with him until he dozes off, and I get about an extra hour or so that way.

 

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Yay JJ!!  I'm super proud of you!!  

The girls are right, too, that night wakings with a 2,3 year old is just different.  A simple, "Let me tuck you back in" or "Here's your puppy" would work for Nora.  And if it worked for her, I'm sure it'll work for Ten!  

 

I think small goals are excellent.  Aim for that 1 year mark!!!  You never know what can happen or change, or stay the same.  I'm aiming for age 2.  I mama led weaned Nora at that age, so it feels like I want to at least get there.  I see pictures of her though... and man she looks so young!!  It almost makes me sad we didn't continue.  So I look at Finnley and I'm like...hmm.  Maybe I won't be in such a rush to hurry things along once he's 2.  I just don't know how I'm going to feel.  So.  I'm aiming for 2 and seeing where the wind blows at that time.

 

annie - funny story is I didn't get my name from the bakery!  I came up with it (kind of).  It's what my dad used to call me!  It was in a song he used to sing.  LOL.  Then the vegan bakery came out (or at least I heard about it) and it was like a really neat coincidence.  My name everywhere else in computer land is Bliss so me choosing babycakes for here was different and unlike me.  But it works!

 

 

good luck today Lauri and Ava!!!

 

AFM - finn nursed like over 10 times last night.  I don't know what to do.  I mean, yes, I know this is a short time, but i'm frantically trying to figure out WHAT I can do in the meantime to get more sleep.  For both of us!  He's still taking two naps...do you think maybe his 2nd nap is the culprit?  He goes down easy though, and will sleep 2 hours in that first stretch...but then he was up every hour.  To the minute!!!  All night long.  Ugh.  Thoughts?


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What's going on with him? more teeth? working on more milestones? I feel like it's a phase, honestly (but it's not my baby). If it makes you feel better, I have an IRL friend of a 4 month old whose baby NEVER sleeps more than an hour stretch. Usually it's just 15 minutes. She's a happy girl, though. Docs guess reflux, but meds have had no effect, so she stopped them. And she has a very active 3 year old son.

 

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I don't think there's anything wrong with him.  Probably teeth, crawling/climbing, clingy 10 month old stuff.  Normal baby behavior.  But in the meantime, I either need to find a way to nap during the day to make up for what I'm losing, or encourage him to sleep better.  Either way, I don't care.  I just need to really change SOMETHING.

I was reading the Jay Gordon nightweaning stuff and man...I'm just really not ready.  Maybe I'll feel differently in 3-6 months.  But for right now I just feel like it's too much for him.  He's still so young.

I thought for a second about putting a crib together upstairs but that really won't help me since he won't let me put him down asleep (or awake).  I need to be nursing him and sneak away.  So.  The only thing is I could try to overhaul EVERYTHING and try to do the whole having him fall asleep on his own.   To me that feels too much like ferberizing and I just don't want to even go there.  You know??  I like cosleeping.  I like seeing his face.  I like cuddling.  I know the benefits for him as well.  So.  I just feel conflicted about that.


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Falling asleep on his own - maybe some babies do. Norah did for a week. Then she stopped. BOOOO.

 

I am putting up a crib to sidecar. bought a used IKEA one. So I can maybe have my own space a bit, and I feel better leaving her to sleep on her own. *sigh* I know I am not ready to nightwean. I didn't feel comfortable doing it with Gabe until he was STTN, and then it kind of happened on its own. FWIW, it was STTN in his crib. He never STTN in bed with us (but I was more focused on transitioning him out than I am with Norah).


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Annie ~ Thinking of you and Ava.

Carrie ~ Is something interfering with his nursing during the day? Maybe being so active and/or eating solids so that he's not nursing much and making up for it at night? You could try nursing him more often during the day, although I know by this age, if they aren't interested at the time, there's nothing you can do to get them to nurse.

I don't like the idea of nightweaning before a year. I'm with Kat, too, that I don't like it until baby/toddler is STTN, but then it's a non-issue, obviously.

I'm assuming I'll nurse Dylan for at least 3 years since that's how long I nursed Kellen and Ethan was very close. No TTC anymore so no reason at all for me to wean.

I talked with dh again about putting either a sidecarred crib or a twin mattress next to our bed. For some reason, he's ok with a crib but not the twin even though that would give anyone more room on the bed and wouldn't cost us anything. shrug.gif We never made it to IKEA so I think it will be a twin.

I'll have to check on that pic. I thought it was pretty funny and was bummed when no one commented. One person did see it but she only liked it. Maybe you all didn't recognize that it was Ryan? It was the photo of the young guy holding a newborn baby in the hospital.

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My brains pretty fried (umm I typed friends...) these days, but Carrie, have you read No Cry Sleep Solution? It does have some good advice in there. Take some, leave some. 

 

I *think* Tenley only woke up twice last night from 11pm-6am. I was so tired I may have slept through it though... but I think... lol


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Carrie ~ Is something interfering with his nursing during the day? Maybe being so active and/or eating solids so that he's not nursing much and making up for it at night? You could try nursing him more often during the day, although I know by this age, if they aren't interested at the time, there's nothing you can do to get them to nurse.
I don't like the idea of nightweaning before a year. I'm with Kat, too, that I don't like it until baby/toddler is STTN, but then it's a non-issue, obviously.

I wondered about that, but I kept trying to tank Ten up during the day, and it wasn't making a difference. Then ironically, we were at a LLL meeting last night, so between 7-915 I nursed her like 4 times. She fell asleep in the car for 20 minutes, woke up when we got home, I changed her, pottied her, put her back into bed, and she fell asleep on her own. Woke up at 11, and I honestly don't think I nursed her... and then I -believe- she slept through until almost 3am. So she went in theory, 6 hours without nursing! Then slept 3-5 nursed again, and then up at 6 and into our bed while she nursed/slept from 6-730. I wonder if she finally got enough during the time we were at LLL that it kept her full enough to sleep longer... 

 

It's funny, while I would love love love Ten to sleep more at night, the idea of nightweaning just seems so.... weird to me. I think if I could get to 2-3 wakeups a night, then I would be content with night-nursing until 2. But yeah, if it was nights like you posted Carrie, when 10 wakeups and all of them requiring nursing, then I totally get the appeal of trying to nightwean. You could try middle ground though, and try to cut back, without ceasing altogether. 


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Heart function looks excellent. Will update more when I get to work.

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Heart function looks excellent. Will update more when I get to work.

YAY!!!! I've been stalking this thread all day! Soooooo happy :-)

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Hooray Lauri!  So relived for you!

 

Yes, exactly.  I can deal with 2-3 wakeups.  I probably could for a long time.  But I do need to find a middle ground to get there.

I think he nurses plenty during the day.  If/when I offer and he isn't interested, he's such a stinker.  He'll latch, smile, and then BITE.  Not like a hard bite, but a playful nip -- but enough that it hurts!!  So.  Down he goes.  Those teeth are sharp!! You're right you can't force a baby to nurse!!

But I will definitely try b/c I can't hurt.  Unless he bites me.  Then there may be war!

 

I don't forsee any ttc plans in the next few years.  Lately I'm serious when I think about adoption...though I'm just not sure anymore at all.  DH is adamantly against that idea...

 

We had fun at the beach!  It felt very much like a day off.  The drive isn't bad.  It's about 45 min, but it's a straight drive, so it doesn't feel that long.

 

Oh - one of my ddc-mates (lol funny word) posted her dipes on cloth diaper swap.  She's been posting so many and I was holding back with so much restraint -- such good deals.  But today, I jumped on one -- I scored 6 -- SIX -- BumGenius 4.0 dipes for $75!  They are basically new!  And 4 of them are Artist series!!  I'm STOKED!!  6 more diapers = one more day b/w wash!!


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Well, WTH? Why can't I sell my practically new FBs with inserts for $12 each? I thought they would go fast.

Dylan chomps down on me, too, sometimes, mainly when he's done nursing and just sort of hanging out on there. Ouch! And, yep, when he does that he's done.

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Ugh, today was a day. I was so worked up over this appointment, I was almost sick to my stomach. I was terrified that they were going to send us right over to the hospital to be admitted. Ava did SUCH a good job, even though it was right at her nap time. I talked to her a couple of times today about what we were going to be doing and it really seemed like she understood. The first time this morning, I put her on my lap and said "We need to go see Dr. Dan this afternoon so he can listen to your heart. And we're going to go in the dark room so they can look at pictures of your heart, ok?" And I swear she said "O.K." back to me. She said it in this kind of scared voice, it was so sweet but heartbreaking at the same time. We talked about it some more during lunch and then when when we were walking from the parking garage I told her again what we were doing. She started crying a bit when we started the ECHO but I think that was mostly because I had to hold her arms down because she was trying to knock the wand out of the tech's hand. I'm so glad DH was with me this time because he was able to hold her bottle for her while I held her arms still. I was so relieved when her doctor said her heart was great. But we still need to figure out why she's breathing rapidly.

 

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It's amazing how much babies understand. I can tell when I say something to Dylan and he understands it.

It's probably not the same but that breathing sounds just like what Dylan had when he had that virus a few months back when I took him to the ER. That was when I went through all that crap with the ER doc and the abx and Dylan not being vaxed. I had to use a nebulizer several times a day for several days. They gave me meds to put in it but I didn't use them and he got better without them. MovingMomma had the same thing happen with her dd but maybe not as bad. I don't know the details. I do remember her posting it on FB just a few weeks later. So maybe Ava got whatever that was that was going around.

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Ugh, today was a day. I was so worked up over this appointment, I was almost sick to my stomach. I was terrified that they were going to send us right over to the hospital to be admitted. Ava did SUCH a good job, even though it was right at her nap time. I talked to her a couple of times today about what we were going to be doing and it really seemed like she understood. The first time this morning, I put her on my lap and said "We need to go see Dr. Dan this afternoon so he can listen to your heart. And we're going to go in the dark room so they can look at pictures of your heart, ok?" And I swear she said "O.K." back to me. She said it in this kind of scared voice, it was so sweet but heartbreaking at the same time. We talked about it some more during lunch and then when when we were walking from the parking garage I told her again what we were doing. She started crying a bit when we started the ECHO but I think that was mostly because I had to hold her arms down because she was trying to knock the wand out of the tech's hand. I'm so glad DH was with me this time because he was able to hold her bottle for her while I held her arms still. I was so relieved when her doctor said her heart was great. But we still need to figure out why she's breathing rapidly.

 

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So glad it isn't her heart!! Keeping you in my thoughts while you keep trying to figure it out.

We haven't tried a paci in a long time...many months. But I'll try anything. I dug one out and washed it. Here goes nothing!

Out of nowhere Nora spiked a fever. 103.6. Motrin and Tylenol are keeping it down, and she says no pain. No sniffles, no obvious illness. Kinda worried.

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Carrie ~ That's what happened with Kellen when we were at my mom's house. His temp was way up like that. I didn't give him anything because he didn't want it. DH was worried that I wasn't giving Kellen anything but I read on the Dr. Sears website that anything under 107 was not necessarily a big deal. It's more important to look at your child's behavior than the number on the thermometer. I hope she feels better soon and look out for eye infections!

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It's very likely that it was/is some sort of viral thing, especially since she was snuffly when it first cropped up but we didn't want to just treat the symptoms without first checking to see if there was an underlying cause. Rapid breathing and sweating while eating are also indicators of heart issues. Her pedi though said that he thought the breathing would have cleared up since she isn't showing signs of being sick now. Her cardiologist said it's possible that she aspirated some of her milk since she likes to drink laying down but they would be able to see that on the chest film. 

 

Baby_Cakes, Ava doesn't love her paci but if she's done drinking but not quite asleep, she likes to suck on it to finish getting to sleep. But she only does that for me. She won't let anyone else give her a paci.


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Dylan didn't really have any other signs of illness other than the breathing. Hopefully, that will resolve itself.

It's so interesting to me how particular Ava is. I haven't had any experience with other people feeding or otherwise really attending to my babies to see that.

There are so many other things I want to tell you all about but when I finally am able to get on here to post I can't remember them. Maybe they'll come to again in pieces and I'll post as they come.

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It's so interesting to me how particular Ava is. I haven't had any experience with other people feeding or otherwise really attending to my babies to see that.
 

My mom used to run a daycare center and the infants were always like that. It's like they know what's "tolerated" and what isn't from one adult to another. Ava does things completely different between me, DH, her babysitter and my mom. Naps for instance, she will not go down in a proper sense for anyone other than me. She makes everyone else hold her until she passes out. She will only let me give her a bath and throws a unholy fit if anyone else tries. She lays in the bed with DH and gradually falls asleep but if the paci isn't working with me, I have to walk her around until she gets more drowsy. She lets her babysitter give her the bottle while she sits in her lap but would never let me do that. Babies have a lot of emotional intelligence!


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Nora was very much like that as an infant!! Very particular and very...opinionated!

She would let grandma hold her and give her a bottle, then fall asleep. For me, never. I had to walk/rock. Grandma could always put her down for nap. I couldn't I had to hold her the whole time. Crazy.

Finn is different only bc Chris has never put him to sleep. Never even tried.

Chris and I just had a bit of a hard conversation...about more kids. He admitted he just really dislikes the baby stage. He's angry a lot, and frustrated, and tired of sharing me. But he adores Nora at the age she's at. I can totally respect that. It's hard for me too! Tho...I.think in general moms just have a different feeling about the infant stage. We are too connected.
I hesitantly asked him, like once Finn is 3, can you really honestly be like...done??? And he just got annoyed with me and didn't want to talk about it anyone. Sucks. I just think we are on different pages.

But he really isn't open to adopting.

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Nora was very much like that as an infant!! Very particular and very...opinionated!
She would let grandma hold her and give her a bottle, then fall asleep. For me, never. I had to walk/rock. Grandma could always put her down for nap. I couldn't I had to hold her the whole time. Crazy.
Finn is different only bc Chris has never put him to sleep. Never even tried.
Chris and I just had a bit of a hard conversation...about more kids. He admitted he just really dislikes the baby stage. He's angry a lot, and frustrated, and tired of sharing me. But he adores Nora at the age she's at. I can totally respect that. It's hard for me too! Tho...I.think in general moms just have a different feeling about the infant stage. We are too connected.
I hesitantly asked him, like once Finn is 3, can you really honestly be like...done??? And he just got annoyed with me and didn't want to talk about it anyone. Sucks. I just think we are on different pages.
But he really isn't open to adopting.
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Hugs mama...I know how that feels to be on different pages. My DH's response when I broached the idea of another? "We'd have to have multiple full-time nannies."...yeah that's realistic!


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Carrie - that is tough! But maybe he just has a hard time imagining it. Sucks being on different pages.

 

DH loves the baby stage. the newborn, all you have to do is cuddle and pass to mama for feeding stage. I think he is finding toddlerhood very challenging.

 

I told ya'll here or on FB that Gabe has gone straight to calling me Mom? no mama or mommy or whatever. At first I was sad. but now, it just warms my heart. I answer, yes, yes I am. I am so happy to be his mom. even when he drives me to tears.

 

Norah and sidecar - she's getting used to it. The mattress is far firmer than the bed (which is good for her) so she def can tell the difference. she sleeps on the very edge, which is fine, but I do think she sleeps better there, than in bed with us.


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Thanks guys.  I know.  I mean, at least he was honest with me.  I did ask for him to be honest.  Maybe the reason he shut down was really b/c right now he can't see past where we are.  shrug.gif  Maybe he's just as conflicted as I am?  Who knows?  We have time.

 

Ok so.  NEWS!  I got SLEEP last night!!  Not tons, but MORE!  joy.gif  Finn slept from 11:30-230!!!  I couldn't believe it and was actually excited to continue the night.  I dozed off after nursing him and Nora woke up screaming at about 330.  Her fever was back and of course she only wanted mommy.  So.  Chris layed with Finn and I stayed with Nora.  I was nervous how this would go.  I got Nora's fever back down and cuddled next to her, and we both passed out.  UNTIL 6!!  I slept for 3 hours straight!!! 

Chris got up with Finn at 6:30 and said, "Wow.  He just doesn't know how to sleep on his own." eyesroll.gif   I said welcome to my friggin' world!! LOL!  So.  He said it was not bad.  He only had to rock him for about 5 minutes once, and the rest of the time he just had to kind of roll him over and shush him.  I'm ok with this!  Chris said he'd be more than willing to try this for a few nights (especially since it's the weekend) to see if we can kind of ease him off all the nursing at night!  It's not total nightweaning, and I'll talk to him more about when to get me (like if he won't rock to sleep or is inconsolable, etc) but this might be middle ground!!  I'm so 'cited!!!  jumpers.gif

 

Next week Chris is home, but the week after he is going to Boston.  So.  We shall see.  

 

Oh, and Nora is still asleep but she feels cool to the touch.  Poor girlie.

 

Kat - mom/mama -- Nora goes back and forth.  I love both.  "Mom" always makes her sound so much older, so it is bittersweet!!  I hear you.  That said, when she started calling Chris "Dad" instead of Daddy, it was wayyy hard for him.  

 

MW - How many FB dipes do you have?  What colors?  I haven't seen your posts on cloth diaper swap.  I might be willing to take a few!  LMK.


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Hooray for sleep! I know I nursed Norah a couple times during the night, but I like the sidecar, bc I can move her away and kind of get her used to just needing some touch to fall back asleep, and not plastered to me sort of touch, like usual.

 

I am glad Chris is willing to help out! that's great! DH does Norah once I get up to work until it's clear she's up for good. It usually gets me 2-3 hours of work time, kid free.

 

And yes, you have time, nothing needs to be decided today (unless of course you have an oops) -


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Carrie ~ hug.gif I agree that you still have time for Chris to come around. It's probably really hard for him to imagine having another baby while he's still in the midst of this one, especially if he doesn't particularly like the baby stage. Do you give him specific things to do with Finn? Maybe he doesn't really know what to do with a baby and needs some ideas. Sean had no experience with babies when we had Ethan. He didn't know what to do since I did all the feeding and we didn't put him to sleep on a schedule. I gave him the job of bathing Ethan and he really enjoyed it.

I didn't list my dipes at that place. Is that the FB group? I have a hard time following things on FB. I listed them at Diaperswappers and a local yardsale website. Here's what I have. They are mediums and I have a ton of microfiber inserts.

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Annie ~ It's so funny how guys go to extremes. Sean would say something like that. It's almost like it's a threat. "If we do what you want, we'll have to do/have this big thing and you won't like it." Whatever. eyesroll.gif

Ethan calls me, "Mommy". He says it in such a sweet way. Sometimes he says, "Mom", but not as much.

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