Originally Posted by sillysapling
I don't think that we're going to reach that point, though. Conservatives that want to slash social programs are certainly pushing us in that direction- but I don't think we'll get there, because enough people push against it. There are enough safety nets. (WIC, SNAP, etc) Hunger is present, way too many kids go to school hungry and their free school lunch is basically the only meal they get each day- but they are getting that meal.
Modern technology is also really making it unlikely. We have far more ways to distract and temporarily amuse ourselves. Look at how many people are glued to smart phones and constantly playing brightly colored, repetitive games.
I don't want a full-on revolution, either. It's not gonna be pretty. I think that we can make changes without bloodshed- and we're making progress. Technology is actually somewhat of an equalizer. Increasingly more people are finding a way to make a living wage on their own creations that probably would never have been able to without the internet. The net is also a powerful tool of activism when used correctly.
It's just taking time. Far more time than if more people would actually do something.
"I think that we can make changes without bloodshed- and we're making progress...It's just taking time."
I really like this conversation we're having so i hope you'll forgive me for disagreeing with you again, but i feel i have to.
Things objectively <b> aren't </b> getting better. The wages between the richest and the poorest are growing. The richest are taking more of the pie now than they have in many decades. The middle class is shrinking as is its buying power. More women are dying in childbirth. We've now discovered that the real wage gap is between mothers and non mothers, where mothers make 60-something cents to the man's dollar, and single mothers make fifty something cents to the mans dollar, while men's wages go up when they have children. There is massive violence against women that is normalized through our media and perpetuated in reality then ignored by the state, or, worse, perpetuated by the state.
Here's a single piece on income inequality. I know it's journalism but the figures can be found in bank reports too, i imagine.
Here's a piece on rising maternal mortality:
Here's a single example of the epidemic of law enforcement ignoring/enabling sexual violence against women:
Here's a link to wikipedia page describing the phenomenon sociologists at Stanford discovered, now aptly named the motherhood penalty and fatherhood bonus:
And, of course, the subject of this thread. The growing military state perpetuating violence against good people, imprisoning and strongly coming down on anyone who dares to question anything.
So, you see, women think things have gotten better for us because we have the "privilege" of earning a wage. Meanwhile as soon as we use our ability to reproduce and are arguably in a more vulnerable situation as a result, society openly capitalizes on that and uses it as an opportunity to have an army of desperate low income wage earners who will say/do anything to feed their babies. And, the choice of whether or not to have more babies is not even entirely our own decision, since employers can opt out for religious/conscience purposes. Meanwhile women's bodies are splattered all over the media and used as sex objects to sell products, and females are still generally portrayed as being subordinate.
I don't see how any of this is an improvement over how things were in the 70's. Things are worse for everyone, except the tiny ruling minority, now than they were a few decades ago. And it's only getting worse. Because of greed. And we can count on that, can't we. They will never ever ever have enough. They will take more and more and more. And eventually we will be very hungry. Then things will change, because there won't be a choice anymore. I too wish it wouldn't have to come to this, but it will. Because, unfortunately, for every nice kind person there is a total as*hat. And if there was a war between 50 good and 50 evil people - who would win? Remember the evil people are, presumably, willing to do things the good would never do. So they have a natural advantage. So anyway, that's relevant because i don't believe we're all bad, i just believe that the bad people want to have power way more than the good do.
What a long rant!!!