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I was saddened bythe term "rent a cop" too. To me, it is very disrespectful, and perhaps indicative of the OPs attitude.
As for the guard, we live in a world of road rage, school shootings, and city bomings. If I saw a family who felt that it was okay for a young child to wer such a shirt, I would be extremely concerned about what other actions that family would do.
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anyone that would injure someone over a statement on a t shirt has some serious issues and should be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law.

no excuses.
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Actually, Vermont just passed a law a couple of years ago giving women the right to breastfeed in public places. I believe Colorado just did the same.
A number of states have done this - in some cases specifically giving women the right to breastfeed "anywhere they have the right to be" and in some cases just exempting them from indecent exposure laws. They've done it because otherwise women could, in theory, be subject to prosecution simply for breastfeeding.

sbf - We're going to have to agree to disagree. All I can tell you is that I've spent a lot of time studying constitutional law and so I'm not coming out of left field with my remarks. I do suggest that you pick up some reading on constitutional law. If you're interested, PM me and I can recommend a few very good treatises.
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anyone that would injure someone over a statement on a t shirt has some serious issues and should be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law.

no excuses.
Of course. That doesn't really help the injured child, though.
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Of course. That doesn't really help the injured child, though.
Yea, you have to be careful that you're not asking for it, right?

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I really wish we could seperate this into two distict issues (with different threads perhaps).

1) The rights of the child/family (to stay at the zoo/be given a refund)

2) The parenting decisions behind allowing that attire.

It is quite clear to me that you can support one without the other.

 

 

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Yea, you have to be careful that you're not asking for it, right?

"Was she asking for it?
Did she ask you twice"

Exactly!! This whole train of thought reminds of the rape and dress thread. Apparently we all are supposed to dress and act a certain way because other people might take it as an invitation to harm us.
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In a world where wearing a certain color in the wrong part of town can get you beat to death I think anything is up for grabs along those lines. KWIM?
That level of acceptance is very depressing to me. Should gays also pretend to be straight if they are in an unaccepting community?

 

 

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I really wish we could seperate this into two distict issues (with different threads perhaps).

1) The rights of the child/family (to stay at the zoo/be given a refund)

2) The parenting decisions behind allowing that attire.

It is quite clear to me that you can support one without the other.
Right. I'm all for #2, but not for #1 (though I think the zoo "should" have given refunds and/or allowed the child to turn shirt inside out, they didn't have a legal obligation to do so)
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oh yes many people with that GLBTQ would just be in the closet, that way they wouldn't have to "deal with it". Obviously the same intolerance can be said of some people in the majority. See the other thread for more on this one.
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That level of acceptance is very depressing to me. Should gays also pretend to be straight if they are in an unaccepting community?
Depends on whether they want to suffer the consequences. It's not about theory at that moment, it's about reality.

The same with wearing an obscene shirt to a place that generally caters to kids. The reality is that it's probably going to be against the policies of that particular establishment, and people need to use good judgement. Whether the OP thinks her son's shirt is adorable is beside the point; surely she knows that the majority doesn't and that there will at some point be consequences for that. That's reality.

Freedoms must be balanced by responsibilities or society will not function.

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People here keep refering to the fact that the boy was allowed into the zoo in the first place, so the family is entitled to a refund. I'm betting the cashier didn't see the child's shirt - I know when I go to the movies, museum, etc, the cashier is talking to me, not looking at my children, let alone what they are wearing. Just and observation............. :
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Just curious China white, where did you get the quote on your sig?
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A number of states have done this - in some cases specifically giving women the right to breastfeed "anywhere they have the right to be" and in some cases just exempting them from indecent exposure laws. They've done it because otherwise women could, in theory, be subject to prosecution simply for breastfeeding.
No, that is not correct. We don't need states to GIVE us the right to breastfeed. We already have it. When states pass such laws, it is only to CLARIFY a right that already exists.

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I don't get bringing gay issues into this.

Sort of the difference between being a gay couple or wearing a tshirt depicting gay sex.

I support gays being gay in public but I don't want to have sex acts (I'm thinking stick figures in vulgar positions because I saw it somewhere but I can't remember)

The one is freedom, the other is vulgar.

I'm more into discussing this from a parenting perspective because as much as I'm uncomfortible with authortative types I don't understand who would buy a tshirt with the "F word" in a child's size.

BTW: I'm no prude. I have been known to cuss and I don't give my children too much guff for cussing but they are *discouraged* gently and they don't go around cussing off security guards or wearing vulgar tshirts.

Not even the teenagers.

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The point is that not everyone feels it's vulgar.
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No, that is not correct. We don't need states to GIVE us the right to breastfeed. We already have it. When states pass such laws, it is only to CLARIFY a right that already exists.
SBF, as nice as it would be, this just isn't true.

Until you are specifically protected (as in the case of no discriminating due to sexual orientation, religion, etc), any private institution has the right to kick you out for any reason. Including breastfeeding.

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7 seems awfully young for this kind of shirt, I know you weren't asking for opinions, but just thought I'd weigh in.

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I have many Chinese and Chinese-American friends, and I love them dearly. And, by the way, none of them are offended culturally because they know I and my family don't mean it that way.
It's great that your friends and family aren't offended, but if I passed by your son while he was wearing that shirt, I, a stranger, would assume he was a racist. I'm just saying . . .

My husband wears camo. patterend clothes. I hate them. He is a gentle, intelligent, politically liberal man who happens to be interested in British military history. I hate when he wears the camo (I won't go out with him if he does), and try to explain how OTHER people will see him in it bc they don't know him like I do. I mean, it is sad that we judge others by what they are wearing, but we do. Just don't have time to get to know everyone.


ALso,

My DH and I are not religious at all--in fact, in some sense, we are fairly anti-religious. Oh, boy, are there some t-shirts I'd like to wear , but I am respectful enough of our culture-at-large, that DH and I keep our thoughts to ourselves unless 1) provoked, or 2) in company that we know is "safe".
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Not everyone thinks it vulgar...but how about aggressive? Can we agree that the expression...."FUCK THIS SHIRT" is aggressive?
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The point is that not everyone feels it's vulgar.
*Most* people feel it is (and the law is on the side of the zoo, so that aspect of the argument has already been resolved), so the question at this point is, knowing that there will be consequences for your actions, are you still willing to take that course of action? And should a child be made the object lesson?

Also, a mother who dresses her child in a shirt with profanities on it knows that the point of the shirt is to be shocking. Should she then complain when people react with shock?

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Fuck this Shirt on your own shirt is aggressive?

in what way? I don't see it as such. In fact it's clearly a play on words, that it means Fuck this Shit. And that could be any shit, YK?


now boys are stupid throw rocks at them, I see that as aggresive. It's clearly targeting one group and it is encouraging violence against that group.

Shit could be anything.
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QueenTheBean wrote, "7 seems awfully young for this kind of shirt, I know you weren't asking for opinions, but just thought I'd weigh in."



The OP, Shann, wrote, "Advice and opinions, PLEASE! My son said "Fuck their policies!" and i agreed with him ! LOL !"

She *did* ask for your opinion LOL
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Fuck this Shirt on your own shirt is aggressive?

in what way? I don't see it as such. In fact it's clearly a play on words, that it means Fuck this Shit. And that could be any shit, YK?


now boys are stupid throw rocks at them, I see that as aggresive. It's clearly targeting one group and it is encouraging violence against that group.

Shit could be anything.

It didn't say SHIRT it said "Fuck this Shit"

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Just curious China white, where did you get the quote on your sig?
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I was quoting the PP, what is why I said shirt.
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"FUCK THIS SHIRT"
Actually, the shirt says "F*ck this sh*t."

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