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No way, no how! We despise Disney! There are absolutely no visions of Disney dancing around in my child's head nor home! 54 15.88%
We don't have any videos but the occasional Disney is OK as long as it doesn't have any influence on my child. 105 30.88%
I allow Disney in my home, and my child is influenced, but I personally think all children would be better-off without Disney. 75 22.06%
We have plenty of Disney videos and/or items and my child loves Disney. I see no harm in it, I don't think it's a big deal. 100 29.41%
We strive to have every Disney video ever created!! My child is a Disney fanatic!! Disney is good for the child!! 6 1.76%
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"There was and they made some changes. I believe the lyrics that I just quoted were what resulted AFTER the outcry. No disney in my house."

Can't resist.


Bwaahahahahahah!

Why are we asking ok or not ok?

Why not : Why IS it "ok"?

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Sorry. I've just always thought Disney isn't good enough to spend time on. Now I think I actively hate it. :
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We went to see Finding Nemo the other night and it scared my 3 and a half year old. IN the first 30 min or so, the mom died, the child got lost/kidnapped the first day of school after his dad was reluctant to send him, they showed a scary dentist visit with a screaming patient - we left. I think several of the jokes were more geared to parents. Two movies we enjoy are Fern Gully which is about conservation and the rain forest and The original Santa Claus movie with Tim Allen. I think Disney is really a marketing money-making giant and we should all be wary...
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My option wasn't in the poll. Basically, I don't mind the movies so much, and would prolly let my kids watch them... but I wouldn't buy any of the merchandise... I want to keep that kind of stuff out of the house.
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Funny you should ask. I just booked our Disneyland vacation today.


Edited to add: DH hates disney movies. He feels they harp on childhood fears of parental death in the extreme (if this has already been covered in these 7 pages, I apologize).
Mostly my 4yo son is a Bob the Builder and Dora the Explorer fan. The one disney movie he likes is Dinosaur, although he did like the Peter Pan ones when he was very little.

Me - I LOVE amusement parks.
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Posting now because Id never seen this thread before We watch Disney/own products without issue.

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I just can't picture my almost-4 year old sitting in front of a movie for 2 hours, following the plot and romantic sub-plots and really understanding what's going on. It seems like a colossal waste of time, quite honestly. When he's older, I would be fine with him watching something like that. But I just can't wrap my head around a preschooler doing this.

I strive to monitor what they watch and to limit TV watching together and Disney doesn't fit in with that. Heck, I don't even put Sesame on, because I think it's too fast-moving. :LOL I don't let them watch shows with violence yet (hello Disney), because I hate to see little kids acting this stuff out. Miffy and Mr. Rogers is more at our speed. And they're not allowed to see commercials. Well, Disney is one giant commercial. I don't need to be bugged mercilessly for some crappy plastic toy that is inspired by a Disney movie. That stuff's everywhere! It's not like we're in public and ds1 shouts, "Look!!!! There's a Mr. Rogers action figure! Please? please? please? A Reading Rainbow shirt!!! Mama!!"

Disney just doesn't have any relevance or use in our lives right now. I grew up with Disney, but I'm pretty sure I wasn't watching it at 4. It was a rare treat when I was older. And they didn't sell countless stuff related to it, unless you were at DisneyWorld/land itself.
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Well...like it or not, Disney is kinda hard to avoid. I've taken the kids to WDW (which is easy to avoid. I don't believe in the 'every kid needs to go to Disney' stuff. Blech. take your kid to a museum, for gosh sakes. Plus, we like it better when it's not crowded ) , we've seen quite a few movies. We're not 'fans', we don't buy a lot of plastic toys, don't eat at fast food places, so my children don't own any of those little toys etc, and I can't deal with any sort of character themed sheets etc. But I love to watch Finding Nemo so much that my kids groan. On the weekend when dh and I fold laundry, I put it in as one of my selections. I am ashamed to say how many times I've seen it. That "Probably A-MERI-can" line kills me every time. LOL

As for made in China- that's not good. But if you walk through Target and flip over 99.9% of the items there, it will say 'made in China". From clothing to playdough, to nearly all the housewares, including those pretty Pottery Barn knock-off quilts. All Made In China. (I have a friend who works for PB, btw, and the same companies that supply Target, supplies Pottery Barn. Same manufacturers, different patterns). This is a NAFTA disgrace and everyone is an accomplice in this.

So we need to be careful about being self-congratulatory. One might not own Disney toys, but chances are, if you've stepped foot into Target or Pier One, or ordered from Pottery Barn etc etc etc, you own something Made In China. You'd be amazed. Check your sheets, your pillows, your towels, your blender, your dishes, your silverware, your candles and candle holders blah blah blah.

Which is not to say Disney sheets are not the most butt-ugly things on the planet.
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I watched a Veggie tales where they were saved from a fire in a chocolate bunny factory by the light of Jesus.
Heartmama, you made my day with that! I have peripherally heard of Veggie Tales from friends, but the above sounds SO humorous (to me) that maybe I'll have to rent one!

Anyway...

I like some Disney animated features. Yes, a lot of the old ones were racist/sexist, but my goodness, I wonder what the rest of the films in the 40s were like? :/ I mean, NO film company that has been around more than 50 years is not guilty of putting out propagandist, sexist, racist swill at some point. I would say that was true even as recently as the 80s and early 90s. It seems that most children's programming/entertainment, from PBS to Nickelodeon is highly commericalized and marketed now. Just sayin'.

I love animation in general, but my taste runs more to manga and original Japanese animation (which has also been bought out by Disney when it's brought over here in many cases, but at least you can watch it subtitled and NOT with the inane American voice "talent"). So I prefer things like Spirited Away (NOT for young children) or My Neighbor Totoro or adult stories like Ghost in the Shell to Disney animation.

I liked a lot of the Disney animation of the 80s/early 90s, but that was primarily for the songwriting/score team of Ashman and Menken. I still love those soundtracks. I was kind of relieved with Disney did deals with Pixar, because then they weren't trying for musicals with crappy songs anymore once one of my favorite duo died.

I really liked The Incredibles. That's another one that's NOT for young kids, for obvious reasons, but I acutally thought that there were some cool messages in there, plus it was funny and the mother didn't have to bite it.

And I agree, if I'm going to shell out $$ to go to an amusement park, it'll be to DL or DW, not some crappy Six Flags place.
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Edited to add: DH hates disney movies. He feels they harp on childhood fears of parental death in the extreme . . . The one disney movie he likes is Dinosaur, although he did like the Peter Pan ones when he was very little.
This has struck me also. I did indeed lose a parent when I was a child, so I wasn't sure if maybe I was being sensitive to this.

Can you tell me a little bit about "Dinosaur?" In general, I've had to steer away from Disney because DS (also 4) is a little sensitive and the whole orphan/evil bad guy/violent themes are too much for him to wrap his mind around, but when I spy this one on the library shelf, I'm tempted (skeptical, but tempted). DS ADORES dinosaurs though and aside from a few kid style documentaries, and many many books, we've avoided movies. We tried "The Land Before Time" and of course, in the first few minutes the little dino loses Mommy and there's all sorts of violence. Well, at least there's always "Land of the Lost." DS has seen one episode on a library video and LOVES it. We may just stick with that for now.

And then regarding Disney, I think it was my book, "Playful Parenting" that pointed out that so many of "children's movies" with female heriones focus on romance, while the male heroes focus on some life journey (albeit usually withOUT parents). These themes just don't appeal to me, and I think feed the many societal messages that I'm trying to avoid/overcome.

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I'm of the everything in moderation. We will not own EVERYTHING disney. But I won't go out of my way to avoid it either. Middle of the road, that's me.
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Well...like it or not, Disney is kinda hard to avoid. I've taken the kids to WDW (which is easy to avoid. I don't believe in the 'every kid needs to go to Disney' stuff. Blech. take your kid to a museum, for gosh sakes. Plus, we like it better when it's not crowded ) , we've seen quite a few movies. We're not 'fans', we don't buy a lot of plastic toys, don't eat at fast food places, so my children don't own any of those little toys etc, and I can't deal with any sort of character themed sheets etc. But I love to watch Finding Nemo so much that my kids groan. On the weekend when dh and I fold laundry, I put it in as one of my selections. I am ashamed to say how many times I've seen it. That "Probably A-MERI-can" line kills me every time. LOL
I don't think Disney is hard to avoid at all. I just don't buy it. You have to choose to buy the movies and accessories, as a consumer. Friends sent some Disney clothing for my kids last year and my son asked what the tag said. When I responded, "Disney.", he asked, "What does that mean?". I don't lock him up or anything. We go out in the general world, but he doesn't know what Disney is yet, because we choose not to buy it. I respect your POV and your choice to buy Disney, so I'm not trashing what you do. I was just commenting on your opinion that Disney is hard to avoid. It has been easy to avoid, IME.
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i don't like disney at all
my MIL is a dsiney nut too (they even went there on their honeymoon, yuck!)
we don't have anything disney and don't plan on it till dd is A LOT older and i have to really pick and choose my battles...and by then hopefuly i will have raised her with some taste and she will think that the stuff is as trashy as it is.
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Sorry, Disney is NOT benign. It's NOT cute. It's NOT harmless.

And it doesn't make it any less harmful that kids watch it when they "don't understand all that". That makes it worse. They don't understand it, so their spongy little brains are absorbing it all. They don't have any other experience to compare it to, so they accept it without hesitation as normal. It's forming their expectations and understanding of the world.

Disney media is an insidious, effective way to indoctrinate children into a hundred and one subtle versions of racism, sexism and commercialism. I'm always, frankly, appalled at the number of people who refuse to think about the implications of their kids absorbing this crap constantly, or who have the implications pointed out to them and stick their fingers in their ears and loudly sing some Disneyfied tune.

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Can you tell me a little bit about "Dinosaur?" In general, I've had to steer away from Disney because DS (also 4) is a little sensitive and the whole orphan/evil bad guy/violent themes are too much for him to wrap his mind around, but when I spy this one on the library shelf, I'm tempted
Sadly, Embee, this is more of the same. The egg is the only one left after a rampaging and very realistic T-rex runs through his nest, trampling his siblings and running off his mother. The egg is then passed around/fought over by things that want to eat it until it lands on an island of lemurs who adopt it. My ds, like his warped father , loved to be scared. He's outgrown this a little bit. Only a little bit - we are hooked on Animal Planets "Dragons" (absolutely STUNNING documentary as if dragons had been real creatures like dinosaurs. ).
The imagery is amazing in Dinosaur and for older children it might be good. Kinda hooks them in and the second half has a bunch of good lessons in it (really more about human behaviour and not leaving the weak behind just because they "slow down the herd").
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We have inherited some of the older Disney movies and sometimes my girls like to watch them.....

That being said, I am reading a book called Growing a Girl. Wonderful book. There is a chapter that talks about Disney and about the lack of female role models in general. The author says something that really stuck with me. She said that everyone is so worried about helpless girls trying to win the man. But she is more concerned about the fact that every villainess is single, childless, hateful, ugly, alone. What message is that giving to our daughters? Choosing to remain single or childless is a curse to make you a miserable human? How does that cubbyhole what femininity is in our society?
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I started this thread when my dd was 5. She's now 8. I appreciate the walk down memory lane and the chance to think about how things have turned out.

I have since talked (often) with dd about the stereotypes and messages that Disney movies (and other media) send. She has become quite the critic. But at the same time she chooses to watch it unless it is insulting or violent. I have learned that the more I restrain her from something the more she craves it, so I try to let her make her own decisions (with my input and discussion if necessary). Her fascination with Disney (aka her Princess phase) has largely waned, but there is still the Disney Channel and all the "tween" shows. I don't have much of a problem with shows like Raven and Lizzie McGuire, but some of the others are too insulting to watch. Like the new one with the cute little Spears girl. It was so bad that I had to sit and talk with dd through it. She decided she didn't want to watch it either luckily. Little kids who live away from their parents, with most everything centered around boy versus girl battles and boy-girl crushes, and plenty of attitude and constant peer competition.

Anyway, I'm glad the discussion continues....
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Sadly, Embee, this is more of the same. The egg is the only one left after a rampaging and very realistic T-rex runs through his nest, trampling his siblings and running off his mother. The egg is then passed around/fought over by things that want to eat it until it lands on an island of lemurs who adopt it. My ds, like his warped father , loved to be scared. He's outgrown this a little bit. Only a little bit - we are hooked on Animal Planets "Dragons" (absolutely STUNNING documentary as if dragons had been real creatures like dinosaurs. ).
The imagery is amazing in Dinosaur and for older children it might be good. Kinda hooks them in and the second half has a bunch of good lessons in it (really more about human behaviour and not leaving the weak behind just because they "slow down the herd").
Hey thanks! I really appreciate this. Indeed, DS is totally DRAWN to those things that scare him, but I do have to be pretty judicsious at this point because it really affects his sleep. He enjoys it per se, but you can tell his imagination is tossing it up, down and all around. He is loving this Land of the Lost episode I found at the library, but has asked me to fast forward through the part where the t-rex eats the coelophyisis. The rest is fine, lots of grumping about, but no one getting eaten. Seems I'd better wait until he's older for the films, but that's ok... something to look forward to WHEN he's ready. Our library also has some more mature dino documentaries for kids which will give us more dino fodder for the future.

Thanks for the information on the "Dragons." I dont' have cable myself, but my sis is always happy to record shows for us if we need... usually animal planet, surprise surprise.

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Indeed, DS is totally DRAWN to those things that scare him, but I do have to be pretty judicsious at this point because it really affects his sleep. He enjoys it per se, but you can tell his imagination is tossing it up, down and all around.

If you get a copy of Dragons, watch it first to see if it will suit him there are some scary parts when the knights come for the last dragon - I got it on DVD at the local blockbuster.
ITA on the sleep. That is why ds has been back to watching DVDs of the Wiggles, Dora and Bob the Builder - a very great deal this week unfortunately as he has been, unusual for him, sick sick sick
but no interest in merchandise yet. :LOL
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