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I went to see a new naturopath yesterday to sort out some of my issues - pregnancy acne, back pain, etc. She seemed really good - and I was happy with the consultation right up until the last minute. She did muscle tests and then surprised me by telling me about different emotional issues I was having and about energy blocks that result from the changing magnetic fields a woman experiences during pregnancy. Then she did the muscle test while I was holding tubes of various substances. Finally, she declared that I should sleep more, take a very expensive prenatal vitamin set that she sold me, take two different homeopathic remedies, take more B-6, and....

AVOID WHEAT, EGGS, AND DAIRY! I hardly had any time to process that when she had to go to the next patient. I did this last summer at the advice of another naturopath and gave up after two months. We are a french-american family, and my husband thrives on croissants and french bread - not to mention french cheeses and butter. I felt like a freak having to avoid everything in the house and eat a special menu.

How do I do this when I'm pregnant?! She didn't say for how long or to what extreme. Does anyone else here see a naturopath? Have you been similarly diagnosed - and what are you doing? I just worry because the baby is developing so much right now - and I don't want to deprive my body of things it is used to for strength.

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I don't want to go against your naturopath but that doesn't sound healthy when one is pregnant. I would do what your body tells you about those foods. The better vitamins, B6 and more sleep make sense. Our babies bones are growing and as far as I know, one of the best ways to get calcium is milk and dairy...

I have terrible acne right now too. It's weird because with ds my skin got better when I was pregnant. But I doubt that not eating dairy, eggs and wheat will clear up acne?

Anyone know better than me?

Ps. I'm 1/2 french. I was born in France (my mother's french). We moved here when I was 9. I SO get your husband's need for thos yummy french basics...

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Cow's milk can actually leach calcium from our bodies... so I think removing it could benefit in many ways (there are some really great threads here with links to the Cow's Milk Question to help you inform youself further).

I don't know enough about wheat and eggs to make any recommendations there. I do know that the diet I'm supposed to follow has me eating 2 eggs a day and I can't even do that many eggs during the whole of most weeks!

good luck figuring her recs out... however, I would definitely call and her and tell her that I expect an explanation of her recommendations (at no further cost because she didn't do an adequate job the first time!). But I'm pretty demanding and some would say "bitchy" that way.

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I don't like eggs or dairy so I already avoid those. It is possible during pregnancy.

There are many other things that you can use in place of wheat, sometimes it takes creativity and sometimes it turns out gross. My best friend has a wheat sensitive child and when they stayed with us I used rice, rice, and more rice. Rice noodles, rice bread, things like this can be picked up a health food stores as can other products for wheat intolerant people.

However, I might want to caution you to get a second oppinion. Even naturopaths can be tempted by the lure of the dollar.

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I actually found a list of foods that contain calcium and the amount that they contain.

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcom...k/sr17w301.pdf

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As a childbirth educator, we encourage people to eat 2 eggs a day (although I myself can't manage that either). As a European couple (Dutch/English), we eat cheese daily (and I don't mean American cheese slices!) Just had a French bread and brie sandwich for lunch! Yum! Personally, I'm a strong believer in listening to your own body. Maybe a second opinion would help? I'm especially loathe to follow someone's advice who doesn't take the time to explain to me their reasons for their recommendations. But I'm no medical expert and don't know your personal situation. I'd say listen to your body.
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As a childbirth educator, we encourage people to eat 2 eggs a day...
That's interesting! I hadn't heard that before. Why is that?

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It's a perfect little package: an excellent, cheap and easily accessible source of protein, not to mention vitamins and minerals (including vitamin A), amino acids and necessary cholesterol. It's a nutrient-dense food, boosts energy and you can eat them in a variety of ways (hard boiled or added in other foods like French toast or something). In fact, now that I'm thinking about them, I think I'll go have one myself!
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I eat eggs every morning for breakfast, I just didn't know they were that healthy...good to know!

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I would probably go back and ask if cultured dairy would be ok (yogurt,some kinds of butter,cottage cheese) because I had to go on a similar diet but was allowed these foods. as far as wheat there are many alternatives,spelt, rye etc. I am not sure why you have to cut out eggs I was unaware they were such an allergen but dairy and wheat i know are and it would probably do you good to get off of these for awhile it did me...good luck
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Dairy is very bad for you anyway, so a thumbs up on cutting that.

If you were vegan, all you'd be cuting was wheat - and a lot of people are allergic to wheat and can't eat it anyway. There are plenty of other sources of protein and vitamins you can use, at least on a temporary basis to see how it affects you. You can also buy wheat-free bread at a health food store (and sometimes a mainstream market, too).

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I have been thinking about this post a lot since I first read it... and I have a few responses for you to kick around. i DO NOT agree with some of the pp in that you should just follow your body with regard to food choices, nor that pregnancy is a bad time to cut any potential allergens out. A little bit on that: Our bodies sometimes CRAVE things that it actually sholdn't have- for instance, if you have an overgrowth of yeast, then your body will move mountains for sugar. It is the thing you shouldn't have- it feeds the yeast. But you crave it because the yeast is hungry. Same with when your body truly needs protein, it is easy to desire sugars. Try protein first, and you most likely won't want the sugar food. And sometimes I get hungry- my body says eat- when really I am dehydrated. So, while I believe our bodies can tell us many many things, there are cravings that are not actually what is in the best interest for us. I craved Kraft mac and cheese, and McDonalds burgers. I didn't go eat them cause I also knew they would poison me.

Cutting out wheat will NOT threaten you or your baby. Wheat is not a needed food source, and instead is a MAJOR source of allergens and taxes our bodies. It is in everything, yes, and so is tough to ride the learning curve of how to cut it out. But there are so many people affected with celiac/gluten intolerance/wheat allergies these days that there are many many many choices to replace your wheat sources that are good and you won't notice the difference after a while. If you do decide to go wheat free, my suggestion would be listing all the foods that you feel you must eat that contain wheat... and find out how to replace them. There are great rice pasta's, flours, waffle mixes, cake recipies, crackers, breads, etc that are GF/WF.

After years and years of acne, my skin completely cleared up after giving up wheat. So did my headaches, my joint pain, and my chronic sluggishness. Many people have the same results. Oh, and I wasn't jet propelled any longer. I finally had no painful gas! If you are having skin stuff, I would also suggest you try throwing out the gluten/wheat.

I agree with littleteapot, that dairy can be a undesireable thing especially during pregnancy. There are certainly lots and lots of great calcium sources that are non-dairy. You can read up on the deal with dairy during pregnancy... there are a few schools of thought on it.

That all being said, I find the true underlying issue to be about your relationship with your care provider. I have no clue whether you need to eliminate certain foods. (I would look into muscle testing and what kinds are accurate and what kinds are a total hoax). Howevere, what is most importnat, in my mind, is that you can totally understand the advice you are given, why it is being given, and then you can make a decision on whether you are going to take it to heart or body. In this case, I would be on the phone first thing with the naturopath and say something like "I have been thinking- I really felt great about the appointment the other day, but I realize now that I don't understand the reasoning behind cutting out wheat. And dairy. And eggs. I am willing to consider it, I juts realize that I need more information. So, if I cut these things out, you would be looking for what sort of change? Do you recommend this to all pregnant women, or is it specific to me?" Questions along those line.

A naturopath is not a naturopath, and we can't at all figure out the accurate reason why she would have told you one thing or another. Go to her to find out.

Is your diet so worrisome that you really need to be spending a fortune on specialty nutrients and vitamins in a pill? Are you taking any nutritional herbs? Usually diet and herbal support can proveide your body with what it needs for pregnancy. I am always leary of pricey packaged stuff from chiro's, etc....

Also, are you willing to change your diet if need be?

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Ouch! That's tough...although I already avoid dairy & wheat, so I can assure you its not TOO bad. I cave on the wheat thing when all I can keep down is some pasta...but even then there are gluten free products that are great substitutes! And you'd be amazed at teh number of gluten free bakeries there are now (depending on where you live...although you can check out thigns online too...).

That must be tough though, sorry! Check out gluten free websites...and if you can make your own bread, you're in the clear. My brother has a severe gluten allergy and he or my parents have had to make his own bread since he was three years old. There are lots of ways to make it easier...promise!
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Thanks for all the info. I really found some thoughtful responses. To those of you who gave up wheat (Andrea, Java, Evergreen, Starlein, etc.) and dairy, did you give it up for life? I had heard that you could go off it for a time and then desensitize yourself enough to add back small amounts within moderation. That would be more promising to me at least. I have a weakness for pastry - but I don't have it all the time

Just to give you an idea - the prenatal vitamins, two types of homeopathic remedies, probiotic pills, and B6 pills came to $185 all together. If they are the right thing for me (and I don't have to spend that every month or anything), then I guess I can justify it as a way to get me back on my feet again.

I felt good about the physician - not that she was a hoax or anything. The muscle tests were kind of questionable though. She would hold my arm and ask me questions. Sometimes she would push my arm down and say it was weak - sometimes she would hold it and say it was strong. I didn't feel like I was doing anything with my arm at all. That is the only tool she used to diagnose my "allergies".

So far I have avoided wheat, but I accidentally had cheese in some indian food yesterday. Eggs are the one I'm stunned over. I've never heard that I've had an allergy to that - and that would mean I can't eat even gluten-free breads and scones and things (which I found at whole foods) that use eggs. The vegan things often have wheat. The three together - eggs, dairy, and wheat - are quite drastic. I only was able to reach her assistant yesterday - and she said no dairy at all (not even goat, sheep, or yogurt products).

Anyway, I am expecting a call back from her today and I'll give it a shot. I just want to feel like myself again. Oh - and I'm going to Texas in a week to stay with family over Easter holiday - it would be impossible to give up mom's cooking when I only see her twice a year

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i DO NOT agree with some of the pp in that you should just follow your body with regard to food choices, [....] So, while I believe our bodies can tell us many many things, there are cravings that are not actually what is in the best interest for us.


That all being said, I find the true underlying issue to be about your relationship with your care provider.
Sorry, perhaps I wasn't clear enough when I wrote this. I meant you should listen to your body, not cave in to it at the first sign of any craving. I know pregnant women who have a strong desire to eat chalk or other bizarre things - I don't recommend they just go out and do this. I recommend they listen to their bodies, use some common sense, some education and think about what their body is trying to say. You can't do this without first listening to your body.

I consider another part of the body to be the heart and gut and these are very important to listen to, in my opinion. I totally agree with ariahsmum that the true issue here is about your relationship with the care provider. I personally am the type to seek second opinions and not hesitate to ask questions. And one of my pet peeves with health care providers is that many do not take the time to explain themselves or their diagnoses or to educate their patients adequately. If you're left with questions such as how much of the alleged allergens to cut out, for how long etc, that would bother me as a patient. Did she take into account your family situation and nutritional habits? Give you any guidelines for how to go about making such drastic changes? If you feel surprised or concerned or unconvinced, then - if it were me - I would listen to that and get a second opinion or insist on speaking with her in great depth about her recommendations.

Just my two cents!
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I felt good about the physician - not that she was a hoax or anything. The muscle tests were kind of questionable though. She would hold my arm and ask me questions. Sometimes she would push my arm down and say it was weak - sometimes she would hold it and say it was strong. I didn't feel like I was doing anything with my arm at all. That is the only tool she used to diagnose my "allergies".
Google up 'kinesiology' and see if that's what she was doing, I bet it was. Kinesiology is good stuff!

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You certainly won't be depriving your baby of anything if you eat a variety of other foods. It's interesting that 2 different naturopaths have recommended the same diet for you.
But what I'm wondering is why she prescribed 2 homeopathic remedies simultaneously. Our's says that you should only take one remedy at a time, then change remedies if it's not working.
Certainly more sleep is always helpful, but could you just look at the ingredients in the bottle of prenatal vitamins that she sold you and then go out and buy something with the same ingredients that's less expensive?

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It's a perfect little package: an excellent, cheap and easily accessible source of protein, not to mention vitamins and minerals (including vitamin A), amino acids and necessary cholesterol.
Just wanted to point out that our bodies manufacture all the cholesterol we need; there is no need for a dietary source of cholesterol.

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The muscle tests were kind of questionable though. She would hold my arm and ask me questions. Sometimes she would push my arm down and say it was weak - sometimes she would hold it and say it was strong. I didn't feel like I was doing anything with my arm at all. That is the only tool she used to diagnose my "allergies".
I've always thought this was a hoax too. I tried it with 2 different doctors. I let my husband come for one visit, and he noticed subtle differences in technique that it appeared he used in order to obtain the response he "wanted". And all the books I've read about muscle testing and NAET seem to have no scientific studies to back them up outside of the authors own "evidence". So I personally don't buy it, but that's me!

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Thanks for all the info. I really found some thoughtful responses. To those of you who gave up wheat (Andrea, Java, Evergreen, Starlein, etc.) and dairy, did you give it up for life? I had heard that you could go off it for a time and then desensitize yourself enough to add back small amounts within moderation. That would be more promising to me at least. I have a weakness for pastry - but I don't have it all the time
I only gave up wheat while living with a wheat allergic child. Dairy, I have pretty much given up for life. I do eat an occasional icecream or yogurt, but not that often. And, yes, I do fine with it. However, as a kid, some pizza would break me out.

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My friend's 2 kids were experiencing chronic health problems (runny noses, recurring colds, coughing) as well as sleep problems. She tried muscle testing for them with a Naturopath as she has had a good experience with this herself in the past. The doc determined through the testing that one child had a wheat sensitivity and the other a dairy sensitivity. She has since removed wheat & dairy from their respective diets and found a profound change in both of them. Their health issues have completely cleared up, they are sleeping much better and are overall happier kids.

I haven't tried muscle testing myself but based on her experience feel that it does have some merit.

Good luck with your diet. Hope you can make it work for you!
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I still don't know about the muscle tests - but I'm willing to give it the benefit of the doubt once. I am returning to the clinic Monday - but to see another physician there. That one I saw did not call me back, respond, or anything! I don't think I like that - but the other physician made it a point to see me as soon as she was able. Anyway - I'm still managing to avoid those three things so far. It is really hard. I hope it gets easier. Thanks for the encouragment and input!

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The problem with wheat, eggs, and dairy often exists because of bad preparation. Dairy needs to be consumed unheated, which means raw, or else it turns into poison for some people. Eggs are much emptied of nutrients from sitting at the grocery store. They are good if they are very fresh and from free-range chickens. In modern America we eat wheat wrong. Wheat contains an undigestible compound that is the main factor in wheat allergies. Indiginous cultures knew to ferment or sprout wheat before eating it.

Check out the book Nourishing Traditions by Sally Fallon and the Dr Weston Price Foundation and get a new naturopath. Raw dairy and fermented veggies/wheat are at the cutting edge of natural treatment BECAUSE they have been around forever until our modernized sterile diet flourished because of its ability to make big money for industrilized agriculture.

That naturopath is not up to date on recent studies if she is flippantly advising a pregnant woman to avoid our most nourishing sources of food.

Removing wheat and dairy will remove poisons, but unless they are added back into the diet properly prepared, there is a big risk for malnutrition.

****Disclaimer: I do realize that some people do have very real life-threatening allergies to some of the above who benefit from avoiding them entirely.
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I have been wheat and dairy intolerant all my life and avoid it like the plague except when I am pregnant. Surprisingly, both foods are totally tolerable during pregnancy with none of the extreme side effects I have when not pregnant. This has been the case with all three of my pregnancies so far.
My naturopath says that is common due to the changes during pregancy (hormones, increased blood volume, etc.) I don't completely understand it but I do know it is great to enjoy these foods and more easily nourish myself and my baby. There are a lot of great dairy-free, wheat-free products but it is an inconvenience and a challenge that I am happy to have a break from during these 9 months!

By the way, most of our visits with the naturopath (he sees my husband and children, too) do result in approx. $100 worth of supplements but they generally last 6-9 months and our health seems so improved as a result it is not much to pay, really. We generally see him 2-3 times a year and have no other need for healthcare beyond those visits (except midwife appts.)
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