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My sister is giving me a hard time, it looks like I am walking a dog when my little guy wears his.

We have been practicing with it around the house because we are going to the zoo next weekend and he keeps running away from us out in pubic so I want to use it at the zoo to keep him safe. He hates the stroller and his baby brother will be in the stroller anyway.

He loves the harness, it is like a monkey and I hold the tail part.

My sister says it's demeaning to have my child on a leash and will harm him emotionally. :

Is that true?

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Only if the child feels it is. But for a lot of children, they get what they want - a bit more freedom to wander - and the parents get what they want - safety. The only two people who get a vote are the parent and the child involved. If either of them don't like it, it's a no-go, but if they both like it, then yay!
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As long as your child is okay with it, I don't see the problem. At least a leash gives more room for movement than a stroller. The only way I think that would cause emotional abuse would be if the child was forced to wear it under protest and/or was old enough to be embarrassed by it. Of the children I've seen wearing a leash, they've all been of the 2 and under crowd, which pretty much means they will have no memory of the event since memory doesn't usually start until closer to 3.

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Not demeaning.
It keeps your child safe. Who cares what other people think, as long as your child is safe?
My 2 year old hates the stroller. He throws himself sideways to get out of it, making it not such a safe option. He doesn't want to be in a carrier anymore, and is really too heavy for me to carry for long anymore anyway. He doesn't want to be held in arms all the time, not that such a thing is much of an option. He yanks his hand out of mine to run every chance he gets. We've found that a harness is the best option. He asks for his "backpack" and makes sure I'm holding my end of it. It seems to make him feel more secure, while also giving him some freedom. That doesn't sound like a child who's being emotionally harmed, IMO.

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She said people will 'bark' at him at the zoo, and I would just die, really I would.


Please tell me that won't happen.

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I don't think so, unless as people have said it's wildly age-inappropriate or something. It's funny how our culture works: strollers are not demeaning, car seatbelts are not demeaning, being required to hold hands is not demeaning, but leashes look like dogs, or something.

For me I'm a huge fan. At about 14 months - close to two, my son had the understanding about stop and stuff (we played a lot of red light, green light), but not the impulse control to be reliable about it.

I felt that holding hands with him all the time as a control mechanism (not just crossing the street, but to prevent dashes) was uncomfortable for him (put your arm above your head for 5 minutes) and unnecessarily restrictive in some places, like along a sidewalk where it wasn't crowded/busy or at the zoo. I didn't want to have to stick him in the stroller all the time.

I noticed that with the leash he could explore with both hands at his level, bend down to look at ants and things -- and I could relax that he was safe & not going to get separated so as to support the exploration rather than hovering nervously.

We still had plenty of park time, and walking together without the harness time. It was a bonus for certain situations. He's coming onto 4 now and walks fine, holds hands crossing the street, etc.

If he had hated it, I would have probably rethought it a bit but he didn't at all.

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He loves it at home, and he looks adorable in it. He wanted to wear it to bed last night!

My sister is such a pain sometimes, I think she does these things to sabatage my happiness.

Now she has me all worried that people will be looking at us, or saying things, or barking at my little boy.

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She said people will 'bark' at him at the zoo, and I would just die, really I would.


Please tell me that won't happen.

At our zoo there are tons of young kids in harnesses. In fact, the zoo even rents them out. They look like monkey backpacks with a leash.

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I also think they are fine as long as the kid likes it. I have seen the ones like you describe with the little tails, and I think those look even less like "dog leashes."

I will say I have heard other people complain about kid leashes - so I don't think your sister is alone in her feelings. But most of the people I've heard say that sort of thing don't have kids themselves (and wouldn't say it to your face anyway), so I wouldn't worry about it.

No, I don't think anyone will be barking, and if they did, they'd just be making themselves look foolish!
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Looks like I'm going to be the black sheep here, but I personally don't like them. DS has never used one. Whenever we've gone to some place like the Zoo, we've used a lightweight stroller (like an umbrella stroller) and that's it. If DS wants to get up and walk around, we let him know that he must hold our hand.

I don't necessarily find them demeaning, they just look uncomfortable for the child.
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I held DD's hand, or wore her (usually the latter), so we never owned one. I do have German friends who were just over staying (i'm in the UK) and they were HORRIFIED to see a baby on a lead, like really really shocked when they saw i, then silent for about 20 minutes while they processed it. So for some people it does bring up big issues i guess.

I personally don't like them because i remember reading about an abuse case where a mom had run the lead loop under the cot mattress and basically tied her little boy into bed that way. *shudder* bad association obviously does NOT equal that they are inherently harmful, just that some people see them as such. If he loves it and you love it why even consult the sister?
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If you and your child are comfortable and happy with it, and it keeps your child safe then I see no harm. It is the misuse of them that I have a problem with. I've seen parents use them like a leash, snapping the child back to them instead of gently guiding them. That is demeaning.
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If you and your child are comfortable and happy with it, and it keeps your child safe then I see no harm. It is the misuse of them that I have a problem with. I've seen parents use them like a leash, snapping the child back to them instead of gently guiding them. That is demeaning.
I've seen a lot of people yank their kids around by their arms too.

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We have the backpack-type harnesses (a dog and a monkey) and I have not once heard anyone 'bark' at us. If they did, I think I might just bark back! Other posters are correct; you'll probably see lots of the backpack 'leashes' at the zoo, and other large, spacious, crowded places. My daughter didn't mind hers (she's almost five now, and she still plays with it in the house) and my middle son didn't complain about his either. Neither one uses them now (too old), and my youngest son (just turned two) does so well holding hands while walking, I feel like he's safe without it. Regardless, before he learned how to walk without running off, I was all set to get it out again for any day trips. As far as I'm concerned, I'd rather keep my kids safe and close, while giving them a chance to 'explore' on their own at a comfortable distance from me.

FWIW, I was born in the early 70s (okay...more like 69 ) and back then they used those leather harnesses. I had one, and as far as I know, I didn't suffer any emotional damage from it!
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I held DD's hand, or wore her (usually the latter), so we never owned one. I do have German friends who were just over staying (i'm in the UK) and they were HORRIFIED to see a baby on a lead, like really really shocked when they saw i, then silent for about 20 minutes while they processed it. So for some people it does bring up big issues i guess.

I personally don't like them because i remember reading about an abuse case where a mom had run the lead loop under the cot mattress and basically tied her little boy into bed that way. *shudder* bad association obviously does NOT equal that they are inherently harmful, just that some people see them as such. If he loves it and you love it why even consult the sister?
I was tied into bed with a really pretty pink ribbon around my ankle. I really think people need to get over these associations because people who do abuse will use whatever they can -the associations mean nothing as far as reality goes.
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I NMY but I think I would say to sis, "Gee, whatever emotional scars I cause by having my kid wear a monkey backpack that he loves I'm sure is far less than the emotional trauma of getting lost." Then I would change the conversation, point having been made, and be over it. Don't give this issue power. It isn't worth it.

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My mom used a harness with me, and I have no recollection of it (I was born in '71).

I tried to use one on my older DS when we were travelling, and he would have no part of it.

My way of thinking is that we put dogs on leashes to keep them safe. Why it is demeaning to do the same thing for your child?

I'll tell you what....sometimes when I was trying to cross a busy parking lot while pushing the carriage with DS2 sitting inside it, holding DS1's hand was a bit difficult. It's easy to hold hands when you have nothing else to carry and only one child. Of course, that means the child can't use his hands to explore while he's out.

If I used a harness and someone barked at me, I'd make donkey or pig noises back at them.
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Looks like I'm going to be the black sheep here, but I personally don't like them. DS has never used one. Whenever we've gone to some place like the Zoo, we've used a lightweight stroller (like an umbrella stroller) and that's it. If DS wants to get up and walk around, we let him know that he must hold our hand.

I don't necessarily find them demeaning, they just look uncomfortable for the child.

I agree and have never thought about using one-- with four kids. But, if it works for another family, and the the toddler doesn't mind, then who am I to say it's not appropriate. If you are comfortable with it, don't worry about what other people think.

I do think, personally, it looks funny Just cause I saw a little girl with one on her back last weekend and the dad was seriously jerking her around, the opposite way she appeared to want to go. She clearly was not liking it.

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I think it's funny that most people don't think twice about confining their kids to a stroller, preventing them from having any control over their own movements, but think it's horrible for a child to have the freedom of walking around on their own with a harness.

That said, I don't own one myself, despite having a "dasher." I've certainly thought about it.

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My grandma and I were just talking about this! She used one with my mom when she was small. Mom was a runner apparently and she was very small (still is!) she didn't fuss about having her backpack on though. Fwiw mom is not scarred by it. The reason it came up, is because right now I'm housebound due to my wild babe She runs. And runs and runs and runs. Laughing maniacally the whole time. She's my 3rd so I always thought she would be like her sisters who listened, could stick within eyesight etc etc. That's not the case though. She'll grow out of it, but it really sucks right now (oh and she fights the stroller like it's on fire)

So if I was taking her to the zoo? She'd have herself a monkey "backpack" and I wouldn't care who stared.

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I think it's funny that most people don't think twice about confining their kids to a stroller, preventing them from having any control over their own movements, but think it's horrible for a child to have the freedom of walking around on their own with a harness.
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I don't like them, and I have judged other parents many times for using them, but I did once use one when I had my toddler in a busy airport and we had to run to catch our 2nd flight. So yes, hypocritical all the way.

But I will also say I can't stand strollers and kids in strollers...I think if you have to use one, that leashes are better b/c at least the child is getting some exercise. Strollers just seem so wrong...I see all of these really energetic parents with their kids in strollers and wonder how that is teaching the kid that exercise is important and fun.

I'd probably go for a sling at this point. I couldn't do that the last time (in the airport) because I had to carry a convertible car seat with me and couldn't have had her in a sling too, but if you can sling, I'd go for that.

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Given the choice between stroller, sling, hand holding, and harness, DD would choose the harness. She wanted to move those little legs, and hand holding hurts after a while. Also if she decided she was going to go, she would yank and wrench her hand away from us and I was always afraid she would dislocate her elbow or something, she was that determined to get away. At least with the harness she had less of a chance of injuring herself. She would also scream and thrash in the sling or the stroller if she got to that point.

I wonder how many people who never used one and would never consider it had screaming thrashing runners? Did you ever try to push a flimsy umbrella stroller with a kid flailing every which way, or try to keep one from tossing themself out of the sling upside down? (nevermind the weird looks, I'm sure I did wonders for the normalization of babywearing those days)
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I think it's funny that most people don't think twice about confining their kids to a stroller, preventing them from having any control over their own movements, but think it's horrible for a child to have the freedom of walking around on their own with a harness.

That said, I don't own one myself, despite having a "dasher." I've certainly thought about it.

I totally agree with this-- except that I did have and use a harness and found it very usefull for a certain period of my child's toddlerhood.

My response to anyone who gave me crap was "My kid is up and walking. Yours is strapped with a 5-point harness to an inanimate object with wheels. Which of these things is more demeaning?"

Or it would have been. No one ever gave me crap. I got a few "second looks" but mostly I got "Oh, wow, I really like that, where did you get it?"

(A followup, to bring home the point, woudl be "Why don't you just get a hockey mask for him and do the full Hannibal Lecter?")

Seriously. We strap kids with 5-point harnesses into strollers until they're 5 years old in the name of "control" and "safety" and that is somehow better than letting them up and walk around and explore their world with a safety line on? Get real!!!

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It is totally a safety thing and as long as the parent and child are both cool with it, there is no problem. Sure, the first time I saw them I thought it was a little weird, but then when I thought about it with some of my young cousins that were "darters" (would dart away FAST with no warning) I could definitely see why they would have them. And yes, it is exactly the same as strapping a kid into a stroller or having them hold your hand.

Also, I have never heard anyone make a comment about them to a parent or kid with one in zoos or parks or whatever. Your sister is just being difficult IMO!

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DD likes the stroller. I don't think she would like the harness thing, and I don't personally think I would like it (as she's a dasher and sometimes darts under and around things I can't, she'd get tangled up.) Usually, though, depending on where we are, she just walks, and either holds my or DH hand, walks close to us, or holds onto something like the cart shopping or the stroller if we have the stroller.

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you know, it's a good point about strollers being more restrictive. We haven't used one since we went to FL last August and our youngest was 18 mos. He just doesn't like to be in one, and I don't see the need. BUT he does very much enjoy being worn on my back. Which is obviously confining and probably looks cruel to well-meaning people to see a 30 lb 2 yo stuck to my body. If he didn't like the carrier, and I was in a situation that would be dangerous for him to run off (ie a busy public place, me alone with four children) then I guess I could see the need for a harness. I just haven't been in that situation. Luckily, if we are say at the grocery store and I forget a carrier, he will happily sit in the seat of the shopping cart. Otherwise, he would wander off quickly.

Something I just thought of is that when I worked in a Montessori school with toddlers, we took them out on a walk daily. We used a long rope for the children to hold on to w/one adult at each end. In Montessori, which stresses independence, we surely were not going to put toddlers who were physically capable of walking into wagons or strollers. But we had to find a way to keep them safe and all together as we were walking around busy neighborhoods. The only difference I see with a rope and a harness is the strapped on aspect which does make it look more leash-ish.

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nak- didn't read all the replies, but DD1 had a monkey backpack! She loved it (still wears it around the house, lol)
Anyway, we got nothing but positive comments and smiles when we used it (airport, town festivals, busy places w/ lots of people and dangerous roads, etc)

In fact, some little old ladies were staring and whispering and I thought "oh no, here it comes " BUT the ladies just gushed and oooh-ed at the "monkey on her back" and tyhey wished they had one for their kids

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Yeah but you can't trust an 18-month-old to not let go of the rope and run off in the busy airport, for instance. And what difference does it make if it looks leash-ish, or if they're also used for dogs? Fences are put up for both children and dogs and it doesn't make them demeaning for children. The fact that they're useful for both doesn't make them bad.

Some children like to be down, moving around. Slings won't help for them any more than strollers.

And holding them by the hand is just as restrictive, if not more so. There's more room for movement with a harness.

The "it looks like something for a dog" argument is really just irrational. The fact that dogs use harnesses is completely irrelevant as far as whether they're good or bad for children.
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All I can say, is that if people use leashes to keep pets safe, of course it's ok to use one in a situation that requires keeping your child safe. Not demeaning. It's smart. Children are way more important than pets.

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