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#1 of 30 Old 06-10-2012, 10:33 PM - Thread Starter
 
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I'm about to lose it.  Please please help!!  My DD is almost 3 years old.  She won't stay in bed at bedtime.  At all. No matter how many times I walk her back to bed and tuck her back in.  She can be falling asleep downstairs but as soon as she goes up to bed, I lie with her for an hour but then I HAVE to get up, I HAVE to get some things done around here.  She won't stop talking, it's like she's recharged the second she gets in bed.  She has a favorite doll, a favorite stuffed animal, pillow, blanket, water, she has it all.  What do I do, is this just a losing battle, should I just lie down with her every night for 90 minutes until she falls asleep, then I fall asleep too, in clothes, without brushing my teeth, with my house in shambles since I can't get anything done when everyone is awake??

Any and all suggestions would be greatly appreciated, thank you!!

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I have zero experience, so take everything this with a grain of salt, but could you just let her fall asleep downstairs on the couch or something?  I'm a pretty laid back person, to me it wouldn't matter where she slept.  If she won't stay in her bed, I don't suppose she'll stay in her room?  Like if you get her all ready for bed and tell her she can stay in her room and play if she likes, but that she can decide when to go to bed...or does she need to cuddle to get to sleep?  Does she say why she doesn't want to go to sleep?  Not tired, wants to play, wants to talk, etc? 

 

Here's what I would probably do:  if she's actually falling asleep downstairs, I'd let her.  Maybe get ready for bed right after dinner, so you've got the pajamas and teeth brushing out of the way.  Let her chill out on the couch while you do dishes, clean up, and get ready for bed.  Then I'd transition her, and if she wakes up and needs you to lie with her, you're already ready for bed yourself and don't have to worry about cleaning up or brushing your teeth.

 

When DS randomly shifted his bedtime back two hours to 11pm, we had to get used to cleaning and doing dishes before bed rather than after he was asleep, because we were too tired afterwards. 




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I could have written your post, uncertain!

 

I had a couple of threads here & on the sleep board because about a month or so ago I was at my wits end with DS's inability to stay in bed.

 

We are definitely still in the thick of it & so I have no true answers to your question... just commiseration.

 

We have tried what a couple of mamas suggested to me -- letting go & letting DS set his own bedtime. Most nights, we go through our bedtime routine as early as we can manage & then leave him with a reading light on & his books. He will sometimes turn of the light himself & go to sleep, sometimes within 40 minutes but more often it's an hour or more.

 

In fact, we're just sort of going through the process of reevaluating the current system because I am really thinking that he is not getting enough sleep (plus after a trip he was back in bed with us for a week & now wants someone to lay down with him in his room).

 

So we haven't hit on one thing that is working consistently yet.

 

BUT letting him read to himself (& by read I mean flip through his favorite books) has given me the space & time I need to let go of anger & resentment that was building up previously. I still have nights where I can muster more patience than others, so I too am still a work in progress.

 

Bedtime is so, so, so hard. I can almost deal with anything my son throws my way at any other time of day, but at night I just can't do it. It is so frustrating when he comes out of his room within seconds of me tucking him in for the 30th time! I can't even brush my teeth some nights!

 

But I realize that it's also my job to listen to him & really figure out what he needs to settle down for the night. Like your DD, my son is often half-asleep right before we actually get him in bed & then wakes up & won't settle.

 

I think it could be the age. Fears can be really clear & strong right now (from my limited observations) & DS's ped. just confirmed that they can go through another attachment phase right around 3. Is your DD new to her own bed/bedroom?

 

I tried just talking to DS one night as I lay with him to help him unpack his day & that seemed to help marginally.

 

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My daughter is a bit younger, so I know this suggestion may not be applicable, but... Have you tried singing to her while you're lying in there?  Or playing an engaging CD?  My daughter totally short-circuits at bedtime (i.e. she talks and talks and talks and talks....)  It seems to help if I can get her mind to focus on something.  We've always done singing to sleep, and that still really helps her to fall asleep faster.  But for your daughter, if you don't want to start relying on a new "parenting to sleep" method, perhaps a CD or book on tape would help.  I really love "The Gift of the Tortoise" by Ladysmith Black Mambazo. 
 

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3 yr old bedtimes are really hard IME!

 

Here's what worked with my dd at that age (now 10 yrs old, great sleeper):

 

Before bed = potty, water, snack offered, favorite stuffy etc.

 

I would lay down with her but she had to have eyes closed, be "still", and in bed, making no noise. If she didn't follow those rules, I'd get up. 

 

One time...she followed all my rules but put her arms straight up in the air so she wouldn't fall asleep! I had to add that one on :)

 

If there was any talk of being staaaaaarving she could have a banana - that was her only choice. It was a good gauge for whether she was really hungry (which she was maybe once in the couple of years she spent insisting she was starving at bedtime :))

 

I just kept the boundaries really consistent and clear. She would often still manage to keep herself up for a looong time. I would set my own time limit on it (1/2 hour to an hour) and I would tell her Mommy has to get up to finish dishes or whatever it was and that I'd check on her in 5 minutes. Often, in that time, she would fall asleep. It wasn't deceptive, exactly...but teaching her how to fall asleep by herself.I think it was actually harder for her to fall asleep with me in the bed, but she needed to get around the mental block of thinking she needed that (or just wanting it, from habit or otherwise). 

 

I tried to keep it pretty comfortable for her, and never went too far out of earshot.

 

Oooh, just remembered books on cd was the next step...I'd read to her, snuggle etc. then we'd put a book on cd in and she could wind her mind down listening to it - I'd come back and check in on her and she'd be snoozing!

 

Don't worry - you WILL get there!

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I can so relate, uncertain! My son recently turned 3 and he just will not go to bed at night. I'm taking some of the advice here to just let go. I read the thread earlier this evening so I told my son at bedtime that he could play with his cars or look at books and lie down when he feels tired. I'm pregnant and kind of cranky in the evenings and feel like I just want some time alone. With him constantly getting out of bed I was becoming not the nicest mom. The problem is, he just wants to be with me, which is flattering and all, but I'm an introvert and need my quiet time.

He also climbs into our bed almost every night at about 2 in the morning. I don't really mind as long as he goes to sleep. My resolve is pretty weak at 2 in the morning when I have to get up for work at 5! I feel mean for saying so, but as my pregnancy progresses and once the new baby arrives I don't really want him in our bed. We ordered him a big boy bed so at least we can start taking him back in there and cuddling with him in the middle of the night, instead of having him in our bed. He's In a toddler bed right now and it's too uncomfortable to lie down with him in there.

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Sigh.  Thank you so much for the support.  It helps to know that I'm not the only one going through this.  I wish something would help, but nothing is helping at all and I'm growing so angry and frustrated and I'm beyond tired and I'm turning into super mean mommy.  She's not cognitively advanced enough yet to understand things like "I'm going to leave then come back and check on you in 5 minutes", or "if you get out of bed one more bleep bleep bleepity bleeping time, you will lose every priveledge you've ever had", or to want to listen to a book on tape (she won't even listen to me reading a book, just talks over me all.the.damn.time (but that's another story altogether..).  I've tried the whole, "I'm going to sit on the end of the bed now", thing but then she won't lie down, she just wants to sit down there with me.  She just won't settle, she is driving me rapidly insane and apparently I'm going to just have to buy all new clothes and dishes because there is never a single moment of the day that she doesn't need my full and complete attention so I can never get a single solitary thing done around here!!!!!!! (I have two other kids as well, one older, one younger, but they are fine all around at the moment)

Ok, sorry for the vent.  I guess it helps to get it out.
 

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Oh, and I can't just let her stay downstairs until she falls asleep.  Reason A, I truly believe she actually would not ever fall asleep.  Maybe by 4am or so?  Possibly, but at this point I really believe she just wouldn't.  She would just spin around and around and around and spill more stuff and make more mess.  Reason B, I can't let her ruin DS's sleep too, especially since we have to get up by 7am at the latest to make sure he gets to school on time.  This is driving me bananas.  Sorry for the double (triple?) vent!!!!!!!

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What I did with both my kids is to lie down with them, and then say something like, "Oh, I need to quick check the dishwasher" or something. And then go and quickly come back. And I'd slowly start doing more things that took longer and longer and eventually they were OK with me being away while they went to sleep. But it took a while.
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What are the things that are downstairs that help her feel relaxed enough to fall asleep? Can you recreate any of that feeling in her room? I'm a fan of "whatever works" and thinking out-of-the-box has often saved me. Can you make her bed like a couch? Does she need a video to fall asleep? (seriously, this would not be my first choice either but certainly better than huge struggles every single night). Something PBSish like Kipper could be soothing. It sounds like maybe you need a stop-gap until she is developmentally ready to try some of the other techniques. The kitchen timer was my best friend when my dd was that age though it might not work as well at bedtime (?)

Most importantly I think you should do whatever works for now and get through this phase - it will get better, I promise.

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another work in progress here. We've been working on this a LOONG time....it's getting better. The thing that helped me the most with my sanity was separating out the issues: issue 1: DD will not let herself settle down enough to sleep. Issue 2: It makes my frustration level go through the roof, and turns me into an angry mommy because I just want her ASLEEP so I can do some of the chores that I simply cannot figure out how to do with her and her 10 month old little brother awake. Anyways, issue 2 is the only one I can really fix. I can't force her to go to sleep, and trying to make it a "lay still, don't move, no speaking" situation just made me crazy and built my frustration even more, because she wouldn't/couldn't do it. My first goal is now to manage my frustration/anger level. We are all in a famliy bed, so I can't just leave her with her sleeping brother while she's awake, and DH is almost always at work at bedtime. What is working the best at the moment is to tell her she has 10 minutes to go be silly in the playroom (while I get DS to sleep). then, I will lay with her and snuggle her and we can talk for a few minutes. Then, I will sit next to her and rub her back while I read. I will only rub her back if she's laying still and quiet, but otherwise, I try to ignore everything that is not unsafe behavior. I tell myself she is winding down. Unsafe behavior gets time out.  One other thing I have done if she still really can't settle down is to tell her, okay, I have to wash dishes. You can come downstairs and sit on a chair and watch me until you're ready for bed. She's only wanted to do that a couple of times, because it was really really boring. I kept interaction to a minimum, and told her we had to be really quiet because it was the middle of the night. But, I got the dishes done :)

 A couple of times in the last few weeks, she has fallen asleep within 15 minutes. Most often it's around 30. It was an hour to an hour and a half. The most important thing to me is that I've been able to let go most of the anger and frustration. We still have not such great nights, but it's nothing like it was. My house is in a shambles, too. I think that's normal with little ones. It's frustrating to me that the little one that makes it impossible is the 3 1/2 year old, not the 10 month old, but really, it's just who she is and what she needs. My mantra is that the kids are my most important job, anything else that gets done is gravy....

Hope something helps soon! I feel like this has been one of my hardest challenges as a parent, and I think it is for so many people.

Oh, just popped into my head some random other stuff that helps ....the baby's waking, so to be brief....enough exercise- we play red light, green light in the back yard and she goes to sleep much quicker. She needs a TON of exercise to be tired out. Minimal sugar- any special treats we do, are after lunch, not dinner. Lots of veggies/fruits. If she's constipated, she'll be awake forever. And one on one time before bed. She really needs a few minutes of snuggly buggly lovey dovey stuff to be able to relax. I try to remind myself that it's my job to help her learn how to relax and sleep, but I can't make her.

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My kids are a bit older now and I can tell you, if it's any comfort at all, it's a phase.  A 3ish-year-old thing.  She'll gain so much understanding in the 3yo year about mommy having to do something for 5 minutes, etc.  The advice above about first trying to let go of the frustration is a big step.  It was maddenig, I know, I yelled a lot at bedtime when ds was 3 to 4, until I got a handle on it and changed my attitude.  3 is sooo young.  She still needs you.  But, you have your sanity needs too, of course.  Expect bedtime to take an hour, make your rules really clear before bed, as a pp said, like - I'll stay as long as there's no talking, lying still, etc., be firm about them and leave the room briefly if you have to before coming back to "try again at a nice calm bedtime" with her.  Around that age (maybe a bit younger) I used a little musical stuffed animal as a "timer" where I'd pull the string, it played the song for about 1 minute - and the deal was I'd be back when the song is over.  I came back over and over again, ds got upset sometimes (and sometimes I had the baby AND ds1 crying at me at the same time at bedtime!  Fun!) but at least it was a very short time that he could get used to the idea of me "checking on him". Over the months and years I could check less often, or use a CD instead of a one-minute musical toy.   The other suggestion about letting her stay up down in a boring, dimly-lit downstairs while you do your thing, that's a good one too.  I did that a few times myself.   He got bored of it.  ;)

One more question - is she taking a nap during the day?  IF so (I doubt it?) could be time to try to drop it. Maybe she'd not tired enough by bedtime?

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Oh, and I can't just let her stay downstairs until she falls asleep.  Reason A, I truly believe she actually would not ever fall asleep.  Maybe by 4am or so?  Possibly, but at this point I really believe she just wouldn't.  She would just spin around and around and around and spill more stuff and make more mess.  Reason B, I can't let her ruin DS's sleep too, especially since we have to get up by 7am at the latest to make sure he gets to school on time.  This is driving me bananas.  Sorry for the double (triple?) vent!!!!!!!


I'm where you are and my DD is yours....she would never go to sleep if I let her choose her bedtime.  Luckily for me she usually falls asleep quickly.  If you ignore her does she stop talking?  After we do a story, kisses, and lay down, the first time she speaks to me I tell her that I'm going to sleep and not talking anymore, and I don't respond to anything she says.  That sounds awful, I know, but she stops talking to me and just talks quietly to herself or her dolls.  Unless she's had a nap (rare, but even 30 minutes in the car can be a bedtime catastrophe), she's usually out pretty quickly.

 

ETA: she wasn't always like this...it used to take hours every. single. night.  During that completely shit period, the only thing that saved me lowering my expectations to nothing (I brushed my teeth when she did just in case).  It helped my sanity a lot.  Good luck!


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I haven't been able to read responses so I will just share what we do, lol. My son is almost three and a half and my DH puts him to sleep, he lays down with him and they fall asleep together. I handle bedtime with my almost 1 year old daughter right now and we sleep in another room, which isn't ideal but my DH and I get more sleep if we divide and conquer, lol. Can anyone else handle bedtime with your DD? I was just thinking last night how grateful I am that DH handles it, because sometimes DS takes a while to fall asleep, like 40 minutes. If no one was in there with him I am sure he would do the come out 100 times thing too and at the end of the day I can't imagine having the patience for it. Anyway, good luck!!!


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Same age and same issue here.  I may be trying some of the suggestions in this thread, thanks!

 

For now, what has helped me manage my own frustration is I just expect to go to bed when DD1 does.  I brush my own teeth and get in my PJs while helping DD1 do the same.  If the baby is not already asleep I will just nurse her to sleep as well at that time.  It still takes DD1 1-1.5 hours to go to sleep but if I fall asleep next to her at least it is useful sleep time for me and not just wasted sitting-there time, and I don't fall asleep in my clothes with dirty teeth. 

 

I deal with the mess in the kitchen in the morning when I get up (DD1 sleeps later than I do and likes to chill in bed with some milk in the AM as well).  I had to let go of my own irritation with that as well, it used to drive me nuts to think about gross dishes in the sink all night but now I am OK with it because this works better than getting frustrated at bedtime trying to stay awake so I can go wash dishes.


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Does she still nap? Ds dropped his nap a little before 3 years old and that improved bedtime dramatically.
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Ds will stay in his bed if he has a book on CD playing, he will listen to it and then pass out.  It takes him (and me) forever to fall asleep, at least an hour, and that seems to work best. 
 

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we are still working on transitioning DS1 from cosleeping with me to his own bed. So far my strategy has been he comes upstairs and falls asleep with me and the baby as usual. then I get up and go do stuff. Right before I go to get I pick him up and tuck him in his own bed. It at least makes sure that he is good and asleep by the time he ends up there and will generally sleep 6 or so hours in his bed before he comes back up.  


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What I did with both my kids is to lie down with them, and then say something like, "Oh, I need to quick check the dishwasher" or something. And then go and quickly come back. And I'd slowly start doing more things that took longer and longer and eventually they were OK with me being away while they went to sleep. But it took a while.

I would do that too, usually I'd go to the bathroom and linger, which wasn't hard for me to do.  And sometimes she'd fall asleep, and sometimes she'd start calling for me. Sometimes I'd put her to bed early enough and actually fall asleep with her like a 9 o'clock nap, and then I'd wake up and leave.  Nothing more frustrating than waking up to leave and have her wake up.  I think at that point I just kind of got mad and told her she had to stay in bed, I was leaving.  And then she'd start crying, so I felt like I couldn't do much anyway, but I could stay I'd stay for a certain amount of time and at that point it usually worked.

 

I don't remember what really worked.  I remember listening to stories on CDs and making her CDs of music, and I'd stay for a certain number of songs, or I'd stay and tell her stories and then for a song or two, and eventually she grew to accept it.  Honestly, though, this was older, like 4 and 5 when I needed her to get up in the morning sometimes.  At 3 I was just transitioning her to her own bed, so I would lie with her and nurse her to sleep, and then when she woke up, I'd go in and nurse her.  She night weaned between 3 and 3.5 and the going to sleep seemed to take even longer then.  Eventually she stopped complaining about me leaving, I guess.  Part of what helped was when her sister was 2 or 3, she started sleeping with DD1, who was about 7 at the time.  And eventually they started going to bed on their own.  And now they are 13 and 8, and they are still sleeping in the same bed, although they each have their own double bed in their room.

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My DD1 was this way at 2.75.

 

I put her back to bed.  The first time i sat with her for 5 minutes then said i had to go check something and i'd pop back.  I always hid outside for like 45seconds then popped back.  If she got up again i'd just take her back, say a few words then leave again.  After 3 times i just picked her up and put her back in bed.  One night i counted and it took 94 times before she stayed in bed and went to sleep (i only mention that because for some kids "over and over" is 5 times, and for some it's 100 - mine was pretty determined).  It was hard to stay calm/loving all that time (about 2 hours) but it made it so incredibly boring to get up over and over that she did, after a few more weeks (of gettings-up getting less and less numerous) just stay in bed and go to sleep the first time.

 

My DD2, just turned 2, has started doing it now!

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i didn't read all the responses, so apologies if someone suggested this already.

our dd is a pretty concrete thinker.  we have a white noise machine/alarm clock and we let her help set it at night.  the rule is that she stays in her room after we turn it on until the alarm goes off in the morning.  sometimes something so simple but visible can help.  (though there's no guarantee that she doesn't get up and fiddle around in her room randomly, though i don't think she does until early in the morning)

 

eta: glancing at the other responses, i want to disagree with the "let go" and waffle with the bedtime.  it seems to me that consistency with both routine and the time for bed is the best approach.  reading the ncss for toddlers (though we don't really do much of what it suggests) explains that there's a window, too, for bedtime.  if you don't get them there at the "right" time, then they can catch a second wind or get too hyped to sleep.  reading that book about sleep patterns might be helpful.


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eta: glancing at the other responses, i want to disagree with the "let go" and waffle with the bedtime.  it seems to me that consistency with both routine and the time for bed is the best approach.  reading the ncss for toddlers (though we don't really do much of what it suggests) explains that there's a window, too, for bedtime.  if you don't get them there at the "right" time, then they can catch a second wind or get too hyped to sleep.  reading that book about sleep patterns might be helpful.

I don't think "letting go" means waffling in the least. It's not doing away with routine & consistency. As I mentioned in my post, it's important for us that we start the routine early. That way we've built in time for him to fall asleep on his own without going to midnight.

But I think that letting go of some control can be really important for those of us with LOs that resist sleep to the point of frustrating everyone in the family. It may be that it's a temporary thing, allowing everyone to regain some sanity & reset the routine. That's been our experience. Or a new routine/solution might present itself. That distance created can allow that to happen, I think.

And I've also fundamentally come to believe that "control" be it over bedtime or anything else is a chimera. All I can do as a parent is provide an appropriate, sleep-conducive environment for bedtime (appropriate routine, appropriate time, all taking into account my own child's personality & needs). I cannot make him go to sleep.

For us, it hasn't worked to go in 100 times. We tried multiple times but it was (is) always the same. He never got the memo that it wasn't exciting to get mom or dad. Other tricks have failed as well. He just can't calm down right now. Allowing him some quiet time to himself has really worked, both to let him unwind & to save my sanity.

OP, in the last week or 2 we've gone from letting him do it all on his own to letting him look at two books by himself then cuddling him until he gets too restless or asks us to go. It's kind of funny that he just knows when he doesn't need someone!

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Kids have absolute control over three things: input (what they'll eat), output (potty), and sleep. You can't force a person to do any of those things, and kids know it. Giving up control can completely fix these problems sometimes, if it turns out to be a cry for autonomy. I personally think it could be worth trying.
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3 yr old bedtimes are really hard IME!

 

Here's what worked with my dd at that age (now 10 yrs old, great sleeper):

 

Before bed = potty, water, snack offered, favorite stuffy etc.

 

I would lay down with her but she had to have eyes closed, be "still", and in bed, making no noise. If she didn't follow those rules, I'd get up. 

 

One time...she followed all my rules but put her arms straight up in the air so she wouldn't fall asleep! I had to add that one on :)

 

If there was any talk of being staaaaaarving she could have a banana - that was her only choice. It was a good gauge for whether she was really hungry (which she was maybe once in the couple of years she spent insisting she was starving at bedtime :))

 

I just kept the boundaries really consistent and clear. She would often still manage to keep herself up for a looong time. I would set my own time limit on it (1/2 hour to an hour) and I would tell her Mommy has to get up to finish dishes or whatever it was and that I'd check on her in 5 minutes. Often, in that time, she would fall asleep. It wasn't deceptive, exactly...but teaching her how to fall asleep by herself.I think it was actually harder for her to fall asleep with me in the bed, but she needed to get around the mental block of thinking she needed that (or just wanting it, from habit or otherwise). 

 

I tried to keep it pretty comfortable for her, and never went too far out of earshot.

 

Oooh, just remembered books on cd was the next step...I'd read to her, snuggle etc. then we'd put a book on cd in and she could wind her mind down listening to it - I'd come back and check in on her and she'd be snoozing!

 

Don't worry - you WILL get there!

 

omg this is almost exactly what we did - right down to the banan as the true hunger gauge!  We still use that to this day, I'm sure it will be a family joke when they're older - "If you're really hungry, you can have a banana - otherwise, stop stalling) :P  

 

We laid with our kids until they were nearly 4) but set boundaries as above - also telling them that we'd stay until they were asleep and then we'd go about the grownup stuff we had to take care of.  Sometimes it was 10 minutes, sometimes it was 60, and we just built that into the routine and our expectations.  Because I expected that it would be an hour, when it was less it was AWESOME, and when it was that long it was still OK.  But really, a little body that's tired and laying still *is* going to fall asleep, most of the time, within 30 min.  My kids are the tough kind, that don't learn lessons easily and constantly try to find loopholes...but even they got this figured out (maybe 10-20 times of pushing limits/testing) The initial outlay of the "rules" caused some drama (i.e.,"I'm happy to lay with you until you fall asleep as long as you're laying still/eyes closed/no sounds" and actually briefly leaving the room if they didn't do - but then going back in and giving another chance) - they would get upset if we left, sure, but we were kind but firm.  They realized (though it took longer than the few times "they" say *most* kids take to get things like this) it was in their best interest to be still and calm and we would stay.  It wasn't until they were both about 4 that they were able remain in bed for the "I'm going to swap out the laundry, I'll be back in 5 minutes" thing.  SO then we started that, we'd lay for 10 minutes and then go...and it slowly worked its way to a story/song, hug, kiss, and out the door.  It's a delicate balance of meeting your kiddo where they are while *gently, but firmly* nudging them towards that independence.   DD will be 6 in 10 days, and DS is 8, and while they don't sleep for a long time (they've always been on the short end of sleep hour ranges), they do so without tears or fights, and have for a couple years now....4 seemed to be the magic age for both of them...and when I look back now though it seemed like forever and that it would never end when I was in the thick of it, I can barely remember it now.  I knwo they both drove me to the brink of insanity, but it's all a distant memory at this point, and it hasn't been that long.  The amnesia of motherhood really is a wonderful thing.   Good luck and keep on keepin' on!


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Thank you, everyone for all this helpful advice, I truly truly appreciate it.  I'm still in the impossible abyss and I really really don't want to keep falling asleep at 9pm and feeling so frustrated and resentful, so I am trying to just have zero expectations and quell my own emotions.  It's hard!!  To the OP who said it took 94 times of walking your DC back to bed one night, I actually LOL'd because the other night I got up to 87 then I gave up because it wasn't even remotely working!  Maybe I should have tried another 10 times, ha!  That night, I absolutely HAD to finish sme sewing for DS's school and so I told DD fine, she could stay with me downstairs while I did that.  She stayed up the whole night until 5am when I was finished the work I had to do.  Never even lied down or clised her eyes one single time.  Clearly she is having trouble separating from me and I do hope that at some point this will end.  I wish I wasn't so damn tired!!!

Thank you for all the suggestions, I am trying everything!

(oh, and no, she hasn't napped since she turned two...I can't go through this hell twice every day, and if she ever did manage to fall asleep for even 10 minutes, she would be up till midnight minimum..argh!)
 

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This advice will be frowned upon here, but getting enough sleep is extremely important to my daughter's well-being, not to mention my own, so I wasn't willing to make room for shenanigans at bedtime. My 3.5 year old is the type who would be jumping out of bed endlessly if I didn't lay down the law, so here is what i do. We go through our bedtime routine including bath, stories and then bed. In her bedroom, I sing three songs (one by her bed, one by the door, and one outside her door), but then that's the end. If she stays in bed, then I stay outside her door with the door slightly ajar, and she can talk to me from her bed for maybe 10 minutes more. After that, I tell her that she can talk to her "friends" (stuffed animals) but that she can't talk to me anymore, BUT that I will stay outside her door. If she complains about being alone, I repeat that she is not alone because I am right outside her door and I can see her on the monitor. IF she gets out of bed and tries to open the bedroom door, then the door gets closed and I will hold it closed, if necessary. At those times, I repeat that if she gets back in bed that I will open the door again and will stay outside her door.

 

This has worked beautifully. She takes a lot of comfort in the fact that I am right outside her door. (i don't tell her that I leave after she falls asleep because that could cause her to fight sleep. I tell her that I stay there for a long time but that eventually i get tired and go to bed.) And I no longer have to deal with the constant in and out of the room.

 

Good luck!!

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If you get desperate enough, you may be willing to try some of the ideas here: http://sandradodd.com/sleeping

 

We went through this with our four-year-old, then finally let go of the controls.  He hasn't stayed up past eleven, not even once. 

 

 

If a child gets out of bed 70-90 times, it seems to me he or she is communicating very clearly a desire not to be alone at bedtime.  I'm an introvert who used to enjoy my evening alone time, but I've readjusted my schedule. 

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Wow, OP it sounds like she is really wired! And maybe even more stubborn than my DD!

 

Have you tried the "CALM" magnesium supplement? Maybe trying some foods and supplements conducive to relaxation would help? Oatmeal before bed, b vitamins (during the day) and magnesium at night? 

 

She may be in a cycle of adrenaline-as-energy and the sooner you can break through that and get her some rest it may help with the "habit" of staying awake.

 

But do what you need for your sanity too - if you need a break from trying to get her to bed at all just let her run herself down and deal with it when you have the fortitude.

 

Yikes, I'm sorry - I hope this shifts for you soon.

 

How many hours per night does she usually end up getting?

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I m just now remembering there was a stage I had a long repetetive story memorized that I would quietly and ssllooooowwwwly tell her to help her to go to sleep. I don't remember how old she was but I think right around your dd's age.
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Just wanted to commiserate. My son is 3 1/2 and is impossible with bedtime! Not only does he not go to sleep, he wakes in the middle of the night and gets in bed with us and flails, and kicks and talks in his sleep. AGH!! If I let him stay up until he falls asleep, it could be 1 am before he passes out..then he would still be up at 8 or so...and wouldn't take a nap the next day. My sister suggested giving him melatonin every night for a week to reset his clock and hopefully get him back on track for an earlier bedtime(he's up until 9:30 or 10 most nights telling me he's hungry and thirsty, or needs this or that, or a million other excuses. I gave him a 1/4 of a 3 mg tablet of melatonin, and it has been a godsend. I would never have resorted to it unless I was at my wits end, and I was. But it still isn't helping the night-time waking. But at least he's getting more sleep, and melatonion actually helps restore normal sleep patterns, so it's not like it's knocking him out, it's actually helping him get restful sleep, rather than say using benadryl or any other herb(valerian, for example) He's always had issues with sleep, and DH is ADHD, so it's entirely possible that DS is as well, but I'm crossing my fingers. ADHD can cause sleep problems.


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