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#91 of 107 Old 12-18-2013, 08:34 AM
 
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Also, just wanted to add:

My struggle with supply has been extremely emotionally trying.  And I found it extremely frustrating when people who hadn't had much trouble establishing a breastmilk supply would make suggestions like "Eat oatmeal" or "Drink Mother's Milk tea"  I wish it were that simple.  I know people are just trying to be helpful, but every time someone says that stuff it is like a little stab at my heart.

Alright, mamas, back to the topic of the thread.

lilmamita, I just wanted to drop in and say that my breastfeeding challenges were the hardest thing about being a new mom.
I was so surprised that it wasn't easier than it was, and I was absolutely shocked when I didn't have enough supply and no amount of pumping, crying, herbs, food, teas, tincture, latch investigation, nursing position experimenting, meditating, praying or commiserating made it even an one ounce improvement.
It really hurt to watch the ease with which other new moms nourished their babies.

What worked for me was the Lact-Aid, and supplementing with donor milk and formula.
I kept both my kids exclusively at the breast that way, and never used bottles or nipples.
I did move them onto whole foods earlier than I would've liked to.
As well, it's worth noting that by persevering and nursing so long with my first, my milk supply was almost double when I had my second child.
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starling&diesal, thanks for that.

A few of my close friends are pregnant and I am really not looking forward to watching them EBF with ease. It might break my heart, again. ugh. At the same time, I sincerely hope they don't have the same low supply difficulties I have.

Starling&diesal, did you use the lact-aid for late night feedings as well? I find I hard to use the SNS in the middle of the night and do
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I did use the LA for night feedings.
I kept the LAs all ready to go in a chilled thermos by the bed, and just slipped one into place and latched baby on, while side-lie nursing.
We did end up with a few leaks and some
extra laundry, but we eventually got the hang
of it.
I really love LA for the night nursing we managed to do with it.
When my babies were newborns, I did sit up.
But as soon as possible, I had them side-lie nurse.
I should also mention that I ditched the nighttime supplements when my babies were 4 months and I knew that they'd be fine through the night after a bedtime top up and early morning supplement. They both nursed bare a lot during the night, even without the LA.
My 2.5 year old still nurses a couple of times a night.

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Sorry you're having troubles - this is very stressful. based on my experience, depending on the extent of the tongue tie it may need to be removed by laser by a pediatric dentist who specializes in infant tongue ties. Apparently the ENT/pedi clipping process is not sufficient for many tongue ties. My 9 week old was clipped (a small amount) at 11 days (not diagnosed until I saw IBCLC at 10 days, even though there was clearly something going on), and then lasered at 2 weeks as he still couldn't latch after the clipping. After the lasering we had to do 3 weeks of stretching and exercises to keep frenulum from regrowing, and help him start to use his tongue properly - hard, but it all worked eventually. I had similar supply issues by that point apparently created by lack of demand and ineffective nursing. They are now mostly resolved I think, but it was a long road. Based on all the reading and consultation I did, you are doing all the right things it seems, short of taking domperidone. I didn't end up taking that as things started to catch up around 5-6 weeks but I was very exhausted with a 2-3 hr pumping regime that is similar to yours. It can be very frustrating but don't give up. The things that helped me in addition to all you are doing were sleep (very hard to get indeed. But a few times I slept through my alarm for the pumping regime at night and ironically there was more milk as a result) and time - over time with the help of the exercises we did he started using his tongue more effectively and learning to latch, and that has helped tremendously. The stress of worrying about whether I was doing everything I could, as well as worrying whether my infant was getting enough food, was of course counterproductive. I have two older children and nursed both for 2.5 years with no issues, and gave away milk, so this was all a bit of a surprise.  If you can get some sleep, relax a bit, and use shared milk to get over the very difficult point you are it with less stress on you, you may find you start making more and more milk. Good luck - it sounds as if you are making a great effort to stick with it.

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Starling&diesal, I didn't think about cutting the supplement in the middle of the night. My son is 5 months now and I suppose I could do that. He won't starve! Also, we nurse first thing in the morning with no supplement and he seems ok with it, which is interesting to me because I feel like my breasts are super empty because he has nurse 2 or 3 times between midnight and 8, but he seems ok with it. The amount that is actually in there baffles me, how and why.
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We didn't supplement at night for a while, but Julia slept poorly. Why do you want to stop?

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Oh, cynthiamoon, because I just get so exasperated getting up, warming the bottle up etc. we nurse, then bottle. The SNS i find hard to get hooked up to middle of the night, because i have to warm it, blahblahblah. if we could just nurse, I'd be much happier. Obviously we'd all be... By stopping, I don't mean nursing stopping, just not needing the supplement. Once and a while Griffin goes to sleep without the supplement but I've found that he usually doesn't sleep as well, same as julia. we arent really sleeping much anyways..What I have been doing is only supplementing with 2 of 4 feeding. These days my sleep deprivation is huge as he wakes 4 times between midnight and 8 to nurse. So, I'm doing supplement at midnight and 3 or 4-ish and nursing only the other two times.
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Because ive found that he seems to just want to comfort nurse at those in between times..Latched on and falls back asleep right away. Sigh. Babies.
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Oh, yeah.I just never warm her food. It's still a pain to do all that fiddling though.

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The studies show that 1/3 breastmilk is enough to see most of the benefits compared to exclusive formula feeding. 

Wow! Do you have a link or citation?

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I just emailed my LC for the details. She showed it to me months ago now, and I don't remember the specifics.

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Hi, I am an obsessed breastfeeder. I take so many supplements for my baby, we are 8 months strong.

The most important stuff that I take is coconut oil, DHA, moringa leaf, baoba powder, iodine, cholera and spiralina.

I also do mothers milk tea and supplements and dragon herb tea. I get it all at rrsuperfoods.com. But you can search the net and find it all. But damn my kid id doing great on his milestones. I also don't drink tap water, i get bottles of palomar water delivered and make my own baby food. but nursing is the best, just need to crib train him, grr :)

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I found this link amazingly helpful!

 

http://www.emmapickettbreastfeedingsupport.com/1/post/2013/10/low-milk-supply-101.html

 

For keeping up my supply, I drink about 2 litres of fennel-aniseed-caraway tea (delicious, you wouldn't think it!) and take a nap every day. Either with baby, or straight after a good feed and then DH takes him for a while. What also really helps is pumping after a feed, the Avent handheld pump is amazing!

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I highly recommend contacting Dr. Wolfson who is a board certified natural cardiologist that offers great advice here is his webstie and contact info http://wolfsonintegrativecardiology.com/meet-dr-jack-wolfson/about-me/

 

His office number is 480.535.6844 and the office girls are very helpful too. 

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Are you sure that your milk is really slow? Often mothers think that their milk supply is low when it really isn’t. If your baby is gaining weight welll on breastmilk alone, then you do not have a problem with milk supply.

 

It’s important to note that the feel of the breast, the behavior of your baby, the frequency of nursing, the sensation of let-down, or the amount you pump are not valid ways to determine if you have enough milk for your baby.

 

 

Milk production is a demand & supply process. If you need to increase milk supply, it’s important to understand how milk is made – understanding this will help you to do the right things to increase production.

To speed milk production and increase overall milk supply, the key is to remove more milk from the breast and to do this frequently, so that less milk accumulates in the breast between feedings.

OK, now on to things that can help increase your milk supply:

  • Make sure that baby is nursing efficiently. This is the “remove more milk” part of increasing milk production. If milk is not effectively removed from the breast, then mom’s milk supply decreases. If positioning and latch are “off” then baby is probably not transferring milk efficiently. A sleepy baby, use of nipple shields or various health or anatomical problems in baby can also interfere with baby’s ability to transfer milk. For a baby who is not nursing efficiently, trying to adequately empty milk from the breast is like trying to empty a swimming pool through a drinking straw – it can take forever. Inefficient milk transfer can lead to baby not getting enough milk or needing to nurse almost constantly to get enough milk. If baby is not transferring milk well, then it is important for mom to express milk after and/or between nursings to maintain milk supply while the breastfeeding problems are being addressed.
  • Nurse frequently, and for as long as your baby is actively nursing. Remember – you want to remove more milk from the breasts and do this frequently. If baby is having weight gain problems, aim to nurse at least every 1.5-2 hours during the day and at least every 3 hours at night.
  • Take a nursing vacation. Take baby to bed with you for 2-3 days, and do nothing but nurse (frequently!) and rest (well, you can eat too!).
  • Offer both sides at each feeding. Let baby finish the first side, then offer the second side.
  • Switch nurse. Switch sides 3 or more times during each feeding, every time that baby falls asleep, switches to “comfort” sucking, or loses interest. Use each side at least twice per feeding. Use breast compression to keep baby feeding longer. 
  • Avoid pacifiers and bottles. All of baby’s sucking needs should be met at the breast (see above). If a temporary supplement is medically required, it can be given with a nursing supplementer or by spoon, cup or dropper.
  • Give baby only breastmilk. Avoid all solids, water, and formula if baby is younger than six months, and consider decreasing solids if baby is older. 
  • Take care of mom. Rest. Sleep when baby sleeps. Relax. Drink liquids to thirst (don’t force liquids – drinking extra water does not increase supply), and eat a well balanced diet.
  • Consider pumping. Adding pumping sessions after or between nursing sessions can be very helpful – pumping is very important when baby is not nursing efficiently or frequently enough, and can speed things up in all situations. Your aim in pumping is to remove more milk from the breasts and/or to increase frequency of breast emptying. When pumping to increase milk supply, to ensure that the pump removes an optimum amount of milk from the breast, keep pumping for 2-5 minutes after the last drops of milk. However, adding even a short pumping session (increasing frequency but perhaps not removing milk thoroughly) is helpful.
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