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#1 of 6 Old 08-31-2007, 09:10 PM - Thread Starter
 
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Need help for a friend with a 3 day old. He latches on, but gets all frustrated when not much milk comes out. He takes a bottle fine (the LC at the hospital finally told her to give him a little since it had been about 7 hours since he'd really nursed). Any thoughts or advice? She says he doesn't appear to be tongue tied.

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Stop the bottles now. If he must be supplimented it should be via finger feed or dropper/spoon anything but bottles. He has to learn how to nurse from the breast and the only way that will happen is if the only nipple he gets in his mouth is on the breast. No binkies either those mess with latch.

She could pump or express some a bit before putting him to the breast so that he gets milk right away instead of waiting. It will also help make letdown happen a bit faster.

 
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I agree. What you're describing sounds like nipple confusion, which can only be really dealt with my stopping all artificial nipples, both bottles and pacifiers. Baby should be put to the breast as often as possible, and in between offered skin to skin contact as much as possible. If mom and baby get frustrated with latching, babe should be offered a supplement in some form that does not satisfy sucking urges, like a syringe or dropper or small spoon. Or a supplemental nursing system can be used to supplement directly at the breast. Until babe is nursing well, you should pump frequently to maintain your supply. Most young babies will return to the breast within a few days once rubber nipples are started. You're basically using the baby's strong sucking urge to return baby to the breast, by not satisfying it in any other way. Keep an eye on baby's weight gain, and supplement if necessary with pumped milk, but stop all rubber nipples.

I have fought nipple confusion with two of my three kids. Once, I lost, becasue I wasn't willing to get rid of the pacifier and bottles completely. DD1 wound up weaning before she was two months old and never breastfed exclusively, and it was heartbreaking. With DS, I tossed all the rubber nipples and used a syringe to feed him until he would latch again, and once he latched I used a supplemental nurser to teach him to suck efficiently at the breast. Anyway, he's going on 7 months and still EBF and is big and healthy and refuses bottles completely!

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She could pump or express some a bit before putting him to the breast so that he gets milk right away instead of waiting. It will also help make letdown happen a bit faster.
I was given this advice and have never understood it. It can take 2 minutes of setting up and pumping to get to the point of "milk right away." Doesn't that leave the baby screaming and frantic for at least 1 minute and 58 seconds? So then he is too frantic to even try to take the breast? Or do most babies root for a really long time before they start to cry? I know DS typically only rooted for 2 seconds before screaming when he was newborn (now it's only at night that it's for such a short time).
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I was given this advice and have never understood it. It can take 2 minutes of setting up and pumping to get to the point of "milk right away." Doesn't that leave the baby screaming and frantic for at least 1 minute and 58 seconds? So then he is too frantic to even try to take the breast? Or do most babies root for a really long time before they start to cry? I know DS typically only rooted for 2 seconds before screaming when he was newborn (now it's only at night that it's for such a short time).
I think the idea is to have some milk prepumped & in the fridge so when you feed the babe you can drop some of the milk on your nipple when he is latching on, as a promise of more to come. This is if you have slow let down.

Actually, the arching of the back sounds like it could be reflux. Kelly mom has some good info on figuring out what fussiness at the breast is due to. Theres all sorts of situations that can cause it, and we dont have enough info here to figure it out. Send your friend here:

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I was given this advice and have never understood it. It can take 2 minutes of setting up and pumping to get to the point of "milk right away." Doesn't that leave the baby screaming and frantic for at least 1 minute and 58 seconds? So then he is too frantic to even try to take the breast? Or do most babies root for a really long time before they start to cry? I know DS typically only rooted for 2 seconds before screaming when he was newborn (now it's only at night that it's for such a short time).
I think the idea is to have some milk prepumped & in the fridge so when you feed the babe you can drop some of the milk on your nipple when he is latching on, as a promise of more to come. This is if you have slow let down.

Actually, the arching of the back sounds like it could be reflux. Kelly mom has some good info on figuring out what fussiness at the breast is due to. Theres all sorts of situations that can cause it, and we dont have enough info here to figure it out. Send your friend here:

http://www.kellymom.com/bf/concerns/...e-nursing.html

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