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#1 of 10 Old 08-09-2008, 02:22 AM - Thread Starter
 
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Anyone have this problem? I've really struggled and tried to nurse all four of my children and now just found this. I have been reading up on it and realized I probably have this problem. I talked to my midwife and she referred me to a LC and they both say more then likely I do. I don't have breast changes while pregnant, I don't ever feel full or engorged and I never leak. I also have breasts shaped very similar to ladies with this problem too.

So, anyone else out there? Could you successfully nurse your baby? Any tips or advice? I've read about women who use Goat's Rue for this, anyone take this? My midwife said no during pregnancy because it can effect iron absorption and I'm anemic but after the baby is born we will start this right away. Anything else? I've done both fenugreek and Reglan in the past and it doesn't work.

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I have this. I'm sorry to say that I have not been able to ebf either of my babes. However, with my second child (who is now about 6 weeks), I am nursing--just not exclusively. I had to EP for my daughter and I never got more than 6 oz per day.

I've had no luck with any of the herbs or any of that, not even Goat's Rue, but some IGT mamas do see improvement with that. The only things that have boosted my supply a little are dietary--oatmeal, Guinness.

What has helped me, honestly, is redefining my relationship to breastfeeding: I'm not a failure as a mom if I have to supplement my baby, and breastfeeding is a great thing even if it's not exclusive.

But I am still sad and I probably always will be sad about it. I'm sorry you're in the same boat.
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I'm in the same boat as you. I've had 3 babies that I've not been able to bf. I had vaguely heard of IGT before, but really looked at it after Ilana weaned and it sounds like me. I have the same things as you, no breast changes, no engorgement, no leaking etc. It's hard for me socially b/c all of my closest friends are from LLL and nurse their babies into toddlerhood. We weren't going to get pg again and this part of it, but here we are so I get another shot. I have asked my bfing medicine specialist I worked w/ last time about goat's rue, but I haven't heard back. I'll have to remind my friend at the clinic to ask her. That's the only thing I didn't try last time, nothing else helped me.

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Thanks! It's nice to know I"m not alone.. It's VERY hard to be around other nursing mothers who don't understand. I remember with my last child women were just like "nurse your baby, it will built the supply you need".. Well, no it won't. I tried and tried and I know I'm judged for it and it hurts. I stopped going to LLL after my last attempt but thinking about starting back. Hopefully people will understand me more now. It just sucks I can't nurse my babies like everyone else.

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Fortunately or unfortunately, you're definitely not alone, check out the "Gosh, this sucks" thread. Anyways I've gone through 3 DS's with IGT and managed to nurse the first for 6mths, 2nd for 1yr, and 3rd am still nursing, and had to supplement all 3. I spoke with Motherlove about Goat's Rue and they said the only side affect during pregnancy is breakthrough bleeding. I took it the last 6 weeks of my 3rd pregnancy and another mom on MDC I think took it her whole last trimester. I also took Domperidone with my last 2 DS's and am now taking shatavari, it's much cheaper. I don't know what did and didn't work but with each babe I doubled my supply and before you go wow, I'm now producing about .5oz per side per pump/feed. This 3rd pregnancy though was the only one where I felt my milk come in, got engorged a little and leaked:.

Unfortunately even after 3 low supply babes, the looks from exclusive BFing moms, still makes me feel sad and guilty:. Somehow keep your chin up and know that we're all here with you going through the same frustrations, agony, guilt and sadness. The light at the end of the tunnel is that thanks to formula and/or donor milk your beautiful babe will thrive and survive and that's a pretty huge thing to be happy about:.

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In addition to Goat's Rue, you can take Shatavari while pregnant. Metamucil also helps supply in some women - one woman was finally able to exclusively breastfeed her fourth child all because of Metamucil (the effect seems to be cumulative, too.. the longer you take it, the more it helps). I've also heard reports of progesterone taken before and during pregnancy can help. I don't think you're supposed to take it once you hit the third trimester, though.

Good luck. IGT sucks!

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[QUOTE=ColwynsMommy;11930885Metamucil also helps supply in some women - one woman was finally able to exclusively breastfeed her fourth child all because of Metamucil (the effect seems to be cumulative, too.. the longer you take it, the more it helps). [/QUOTE]

Do you mind if I ask, how does Metamucil help with IGT? I've never heard of that. Now I'm really curious. Sue
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I have this. I was not able to EBF my DD, but I'm still pumping at 25 mos :

I'm linking something that may help you. http://www.sonic.net/~mollyf/igt/ Do you know what type of IGT you have (Type II, III, IV?). The article would suggest renting a hospital grade pump and pumping after each nursing session, using herbs to help, and you *might* be able to build up a complete supply (about half of women with Type II were able to at a month pp, and a couple more were able to produce 51-99%). Failing that, you could use an SNS to supplement.

Good luck!
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Do you mind if I ask, how does Metamucil help with IGT? I've never heard of that. Now I'm really curious. Sue
I don't know if Metamucil is specific to IGT, but it certainly can't hurt to take it. A woman on the MOBI group looked up psyllium (the plant from which the seed is taken to make Metamucil) on this website: http://www.ars-grin.gov/duke/ The plant contains small amounts of a sugar-type molecule called aucubin, which is classified as a galactagogue on the aforementioned database. It's the same substance that's active in vervain, which is another galactagogue.

So, I don't think it specifically helps with IGT, but since you could take it all throughout pregnancy, and since the effects are reportedly cumulative (meaning the effect keeps getting better and better over time), I'd definitely include it in my routine.

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I don't know if Metamucil is specific to IGT, but it certainly can't hurt to take it. A woman on the MOBI group looked up psyllium (the plant from which the seed is taken to make Metamucil) on this website: http://www.ars-grin.gov/duke/ The plant contains small amounts of a sugar-type molecule called aucubin, which is classified as a galactagogue on the aforementioned database. It's the same substance that's active in vervain, which is another galactagogue.

So, I don't think it specifically helps with IGT, but since you could take it all throughout pregnancy, and since the effects are reportedly cumulative (meaning the effect keeps getting better and better over time), I'd definitely include it in my routine.
Thank you for explaining that to me. I'd never heard of that before. Too cool.
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