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OK, in my constant effort to make a great loaf of bread, I've still not tried dough conditioners (they look to be made of all chemicals ) or lecithin. We have soy issues in our house and I try my best to avoid any soy product.

My question is this-- since there is a high amount of lecithin in egg yolk, could I add that to my dough and get the same effect as the lecithin granuals? Does anyone have experience with this?

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Eggs are good. I find myself, that sourdough bread has a better "shelf-life" than regular bread. Oil/fat also helps enhance dough as well.

Keep in mind that the perfect bread is different to each person and also for the purpose of its use. Bread stick, sandwich bread, rolls, bagels etc. They are all perfect in their own way.
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Yes, that's true. My ultimate goal is to find a consistant sandwich loaf for kids and hubby. Some of my bread has turned out tasty, but crumbles to bits when you try to slice into a thin enough slice to make sandwiches (big hunks with butter are yummy though!). I'm trying to make sprouted spelt bread, as my kids are not fond of sourdough. In doing this, I'm using 100% sprouted spelt without any white flour, so it can get dense. I use gluten and knead the c**p out of it to get a nice rise, but they're still really crumbly.

I've read that lecithin (and other chemical dough enhancers) help with the rise and crumble factor; hence the egg/lecithin question. I'm probably going to try to put 1 egg (whole) in my next bread and decrease some of the water and see how it goes.

Another question-- anyone substituted milk for water? What's the result?

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I've been baking sourdough for the past two years but now have been asked if we can have non-sourdough. Sourdough doesn't seem to crumble like regular yeast bread. Anyway, in my quest for the pertfect sandwich bread I have found that egg and oil/fat help. Another big thing that helps is soaking the flour in buttermilk for several hours. Buttermilk (or thinned out yoghurt) is a conditioner. To soak I just mix the flour and liquid required in the recipe to just wet the flour, no kneading, and the cover and wait for atleast 7 hours (I don't use sprouted flour). When ready I add the rest of the ingredients and procede as usual. This I think makes a big difference in texture and crumblessness for me. Just IMHO.
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I've been baking sourdough for the past two years but now have been asked if we can have non-sourdough. Sourdough doesn't seem to crumble like regular yeast bread. Anyway, in my quest for the pertfect sandwich bread I have found that egg and oil/fat help. Another big thing that helps is soaking the flour in buttermilk for several hours. Buttermilk (or thinned out yoghurt) is a conditioner. To soak I just mix the flour and liquid required in the recipe to just wet the flour, no kneading, and the cover and wait for atleast 7 hours (I don't use sprouted flour). When ready I add the rest of the ingredients and procede as usual. This I think makes a big difference in texture and crumblessness for me. Just IMHO.
I do use sprouted flour, but I going to try to soak a little (maybe overnight) in kefir/milk, then use an egg when I mix. We'll see...maybe I'll try this for tomorrow!!!!!

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Milk or yogurt gives a softer bread. You can certainly use egg to enrich bread - just replace some of the liquid. It is supposed to give a soft and cakey effect.

If you are having trouble with crumblyness then you could be using too much flour or baking too long. Also you could try reducing the oven temperature slightly.

I like to use mashed potato in my sandwich bread - makes it moist and helps it keep well. I don't know if it would turn out any different substituting sprouted spelt for wheat though. Might be worth a try while you are experimenting!

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