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#61 of 90 Old 12-14-2008, 04:11 PM
 
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For me, eating excessive amounts of fat makes me fat. Eating reasonable amounts of fat and I maintain a decent weight.
what is reasonable? wouldn't that be different for every person?
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what is reasonable? wouldn't that be different for every person?
Well for me reasonable is 1-2 ounces of cheese, a cup or so of whole fat yogurt and about the same of whole milk. And maybe a little bit of butter thrown in.

So that's still quite a bit of fat. But if I eat say 6 ounces of cheese, + ice cream, + liver, + tons and tons of butter like at the holidays, I totally gain. I usually gain about 5-8 pounds in the month of December.
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lol. i gain like that from cake and cookies... i can't help it... they have a strange power over me. i can't stop eating them
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Well for me reasonable is 1-2 ounces of cheese, a cup or so of whole fat yogurt and about the same of whole milk. And maybe a little bit of butter thrown in.

So that's still quite a bit of fat. But if I eat say 6 ounces of cheese, + ice cream, + liver, + tons and tons of butter like at the holidays, I totally gain. I usually gain about 5-8 pounds in the month of December.
But are you eating those fats with sugars?
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But are you eating those fats with sugars?
Nope, I hardly eat any sugar. I don't care for the taste.
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I don't think I can get on board with the grain hate. For one thing, a low carb diet affects your brain chemistry, your body needs carbs to manufacture seratonin, the neurotransmitter that makes us feel happy.
Well, first of all low carb and low grain/no grain are two completely different things. On a no grain diet, I still eat potatoes, parsnips, and squash for starchy veg, and all the fruit I want. Nutritionally there is nothing in grain that I can't get somewhere else.

But I will also say, as has been said before in this thread, that the same thing isn't going to work for everyone. I suffer from chronic depression, which has in fact been linked to my ingestion of refined carbs. Not until I went onto a low carb diet did I realize that was the cause. So for me, a low carb diet actually reversed chronic depression, it didn't cause it.

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"Do you believe that eating fat won't make you fat?"

Yes, I believe it. I recommend the book "Eat Fat, Lose Fat." Eating fat does not turn into fat on the body. Eating carbohydrates and sugar turns into fat on the body.

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My partner eats the stone age diet or the paleolithic diet. He eats meat, meat, meat, and then veggies/fruits/nuts.

He eats a lot of fat - eggs, sausage, bacon, etc., for breakfast. Steak for dinners. Nut butters for lunch. Etc.

He has like NO fat on his body - seriously. He's very, very, very lean. He eats absolutely no refined carbs, no man made stuff, etc.

Me, on the other hand ... I tried his way a few years ago, and while my weight wasn't affected too much, I felt like crap most of the time.

Diets are so individual - it's really a matter of finding the best one suited to YOUR body.

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haven't read all the posts here yet, but I'm writing anyways

I am not sure about whether eating fat helps you lose fat, certainly if you eat far more food than you need, whether or not its fat, it will be a problem. I don't think that eating fat makes you fat. whether it specifically helps you lose weight, I don't know.

One thing I did find very interesting... A few years ago, I had high cholesterol, which my doctors said I shouldn't be too concerned about right now because of my young age but that when I got older, it could be a problem. My family convinced me to cut down on fats, in particular my "drinking cream for dessert occasionally" habit. for the past few months I've been eating LOTS of TF fats (butter, ev olive oil, shmaltz, fatty gravies, cream, whole milk etc), and then just had a blood test, including cholesterol.

My doctor was RAVING about how healthy the results were, including having very low cholesterol. Made me even more certain that good fats are not the cause of cholesterol, at least, not when eaten as part of a good diet.
He also said he could see that I had changed my diet in my blood sugar. Interesting.

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did you tell him what you had been eating?
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One thing I did find very interesting... A few years ago, I had high cholesterol, which my doctors said I shouldn't be too concerned about right now because of my young age but that when I got older, it could be a problem. My family convinced me to cut down on fats, in particular my "drinking cream for dessert occasionally" habit. for the past few months I've been eating LOTS of TF fats (butter, ev olive oil, shmaltz, fatty gravies, cream, whole milk etc), and then just had a blood test, including cholesterol.

My doctor was RAVING about how healthy the results were, including having very low cholesterol. Made me even more certain that good fats are not the cause of cholesterol, at least, not when eaten as part of a good diet.
He also said he could see that I had changed my diet in my blood sugar. Interesting.

I had the same thing happen last year. I was eating mostly a Paleo type diet. Lots of meat and fat. I had bloodwork down and my cholesterol had dropped 20 points, with excellent ratios and low trigylcerides.

The nurse did ask me, "Are you doing anything differently? "

I said, "Yes, I'm eating as much saturated fat and meat as I can stand. Very little grains and sugars, no processed foods."

She said, "Well, looks like it's working for you so keep doing that."
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So, I have read through this thread about 3 times over the past few months... and this is the first time it has actually made sense to me! Talk about changing your mindset...

(btw I've been reading Gary Taubes' book mentioned here.)

All I know is that eating a high carb diet (pretty much in line with what has been recommended to Americans, and usually whole grains) has made me very overweight. I'm finally starting too see the scale move, now that I'm reducing/cutting grains and eating good fats...

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So, I have read through this thread about 3 times over the past few months... and this is the first time it has actually made sense to me! Talk about changing your mindset...

(btw I've been reading Gary Taubes' book mentioned here.)

All I know is that eating a high carb diet (pretty much in line with what has been recommended to Americans, and usually whole grains) has made me very overweight. I'm finally starting too see the scale move, now that I'm reducing/cutting grains and eating good fats...
i just read this thread, and i couldnt agree more with most of the opinions. i managed to lose the few pounds of fat i wanted to lose but cutting out carbs/grains and eating plenty of fat and protein..also i've been gaining some muscle eating VERY little carbs (which most bodybuilders/trainers etc would probably telll u is impossible).
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I can definitely lose weight by cutting carbs, but i can barely function on a low-carb diet. How long does it take for that no-energy-no-happiness-want-to-die feeling to wear off? After 4 days or so i'm back off the wagon.
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I can definitely lose weight by cutting carbs, but i can barely function on a low-carb diet. How long does it take for that no-energy-no-happiness-want-to-die feeling to wear off? After 4 days or so i'm back off the wagon.
Are you eating enough fat? Why don't you keep a food diary and play around a little bit with different amounts of carbs, to see how you feel.

I think if something makes you feel really terrible long-term, then you probably shouldn't do it or need to tweak things. I personally felt terrible for years on a high-carb diet, sluggish, gaining weight, "mommy brain" etc. Even though I've had a few set-backs since I've been reducing grains (not CARBS per say I'm still eating fruits/veg but with fat) I have felt much better.

BTW I am FAR from an expert on this issue, I am just at the start of doing this myself.

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I've tried it about 5 or 6 times, the last 4 i kept very detailed diaries of food intake (to try to figure it out). I was eating 2-3000k/cals/day, about 50-60% from fats on one occasion and about 3500kcals/day with 70% from fats on another (don't have all the diaries). I ate some fruit, lots of veg, no refined sugars, a little honey (maybe 2tlbsp/week).

The first few days are bad (but i'd kind of expect that) but unlike when i wipe refined sugars right out, it gets worse rather than better. The last time was the worst (don't have the diary unfortunately) - i ended up sleeping 14 hours in every 24 and was having suicidal thoughts. I usually run for exercise and i had dead leags and no energy, dropping about 70% of my mileage through sheer exhaustion. I had a bowl of potato soup (with 3 potatoes to a litre of stock) and was giddy with joy. I wonder if i rely on glycogen stores heavily for my running and that's what makes it so painful/hard - does the body make/store glycogen from fat and protein?
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I can definitely lose weight by cutting carbs, but i can barely function on a low-carb diet. How long does it take for that no-energy-no-happiness-want-to-die feeling to wear off? After 4 days or so i'm back off the wagon.
Check out the book, The Diet Cure by Julia Ross (or The Mood Cure by her has the same info.) She discusses how some people can become quite literally addicted to certain foods (sweets/starches or other foods) and so if you quit those foods, you go into a literal chemical withdrawal. Your body starts to detox. This can take a long time for some people and you can feel quite sick from it (weak, dizzy, throwing up, nausea, headache, massive cravings, or total loss of appetite, etc.) She tells you about supplements you can take while your body chemistry normalizes to fight cravings and help you with energy. It made a huge difference for me. Then, in time, you just start to feel better and better. The time frame really varies from person to person.

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Check out the book, The Diet Cure by Julia Ross (or The Mood Cure by her has the same info.) She discusses how some people can become quite literally addicted to certain foods (sweets/starches or other foods) and so if you quit those foods, you go into a literal chemical withdrawal. Your body starts to detox. This can take a long time for some people and you can feel quite sick from it (weak, dizzy, throwing up, nausea, headache, massive cravings, or total loss of appetite, etc.) She tells you about supplements you can take while your body chemistry normalizes to fight cravings and help you with energy. It made a huge difference for me. Then, in time, you just start to feel better and better. The time frame really varies from person to person.
This is interesting. I started the raw milk diet last week and I have been dizzy every day (not until after 3 PM or so). But even after 7 days I was still dizzy. But then again, when I did introduce a little food (beef stock, eggs and halibut with butter/cream sauce) I felt immediately better. Like really immediately.

So, I'm still trying to figure that one out.....
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Have you ever had an allergic reaction to milk? Raw milk is not the easiest thing for many people to digest (although easier than pasteurized of course.) I think it's interesting to note that most cultures did not drink fresh raw milk, but rather, some kind of cultured or soured version of milk or milk product.

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This thread is a good one! I agree with most of the other pp. In my experience, fat absolutely does not make you fat. I consume quite a bit of fat in a day and I have completely lost my fear of too much fat. My ILs were just talking to me about this yesterday, wanting to know more about this diet I'm on. First, I say it's not a diet... it's a way of eating. I've educated myself about first what is in our food, and with threads like this and others... how our body uses food.
I eat carbs too. Potatoes almost everyday. I love bananas. Yogurt and milk. Since our budget drop for food, I've been consuming more grain than I was. Before I still ate oats every other day. I exercise 5 days a week at least 30 minutes. I have dropped from about 230 post baby to 145 at 5'8". As some of the pp stated, most folks look at me like I'm crazy when I tell them what I eat. Like I just told them a joke.
It is also my firm belief that additives, pesticides, etc in food mess with our body chemistry via hormones. This causes our body to feel like it is starving when it isn't (food quality). This causes bloating, weight retention, weight gain, poor thyroid function, etc... I believe it messes with homeostasis. I believe for the first time by simply eating TF not EFLF, that my body is stabilizing into the body that I was genetically predisposed to have with correct nutrition.
I'm not a scientist at all, but that is my reasoning, and why I don't count calories or fat. I eat when I'm hungry and I eat what I crave.

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I posted this in another thread, that I'm down another lb... yesterday I ate eggs & bacon, had CO before breakfast and lunch, ate leftover pulled-pork and coleslaw for lunch, and had a yummy Mother's Day dinner of steak, mushrooms sauted in butter, corn on cob, a couple of bites of baked potato, and strawberries with whipped cream. I am not sure what percentage fat, but I don't care, lol. The only thing "lacking" yesterday was straight carbs...

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Have you ever had an allergic reaction to milk? Raw milk is not the easiest thing for many people to digest (although easier than pasteurized of course.) I think it's interesting to note that most cultures did not drink fresh raw milk, but rather, some kind of cultured or soured version of milk or milk product.
I have no problems digesting raw milk and I have no allergies to it. On the diet I alternate between sweet milk, yogurt and kefir.
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I have no problems digesting raw milk and I have no allergies to it. On the diet I alternate between sweet milk, yogurt and kefir.
Then it could be just detox.

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Yesterday afternoon I got a new delivery of milk since then I've been drinking the milk with the cream and now I feel great! It's amazing the difference the fat makes! I feel like a dweeb, what a silly thing to do. But the book did say to skim the milk so that's what I did. Well, obviously I wasn't getting enough fat! And now that I am, it's like night and day. I feel great and I have plenty of energy. Yay!

So I guess this ties right into this conversation. Without fat you will be sickly and thin and dizzy and weak. With fat you will be healthy and energetic. I do think that carbs are what will add the extra weight for most people. But over-eating is also a culprit for weight gain. I wouldn't blame fat unless it is bad fat like trans-fats.....
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Keeping your blood healthy and looking/feeling good are both important issues when considering fat. The blood can get unhealthy for many reasons, not just too much fat, but also too much protein, heavy metals, parasites, etc. which essentially makes the blood thick, sluggish, cloggey, unhealthy. I don't think the controversy/question for healthy blood and even weight loss is necessarily too much fat or protein but what kind of fat you are consuming and how your body efficiently metabolizes it. Coconut oil, olive oil, animal fat are very good fats for you, canola oil, corn oil, margarine, etc. are very bad and our body does not efficiently metabolize them and then they get in our blood stream. Including low fat foods, they are an incomplete food as well as pasturized dairy products. The components which mother nature naturally provides in these healthy foods are stripped away leaving us with compromised food that our body cannot readily metabolize. For example raw milk has enzymes and bacteria that naturally help our body efficiently digest it. Where as pasturized and low fat milk only relies on our digestive juices to metabolize it and especially if our digestive system is compromised in anyway or we may have candida infection our body cannot efficienlty get rid of the fat/protein and it leaks through our intenstines into our blood stream undigested making our blood unhealthy. Very healthy people can still have compromised digestion, you cannot necessarily tell by looking at them. We all are striving to eat optimally.
I would recommend for anyone who is interested in their health especially their blood health to heave their blood looked at under a high powered microscope. It is an eye opening experience to see what kind of state your blood is in. It just takes a drop, and a high powered microscope, we had ours looked at in an alternative/wholistic doctor's office.
It is the same if you eat cooked vegetables/grains/and meat or unsoaked/sprouted grains,nuts and seeds. The enzymes for digestion have been mostly cooked out, the grains, nuts, and seeds have enzymes inhibitors.
This is why we sprout and lacto ferment our grains, and eat lots of fermented foods with our meats such as sauerkraut or eat our foods raw. Fermented foods are super raw foods with tons of enzymes to aid in digestion and raw foods are intact and also provide us with their natural enzymes so we are working with nature as our body intended; not fighting it. If all else fails it does not hurt to also take an enzyme supplement/capsule plus a dose of probiotics to aid in digestion.
So I see this matter not as a fat issue because the good fats are very good and our body needs them to function properly. It is a health issue of the digestive system. Too many doctors treat the symptom and not the all around cause and do not treat the body as an interconnected wholistic system.
I hope this helps.
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BetsyPage, thanks for reviving this thread. I hadn't seen it before. I've read all the pages and know that this makes lots of sense. I'm simultaneously reading EFLF and Real Food and am learning good ways to eat fat, what fats and what NOT to eat.

I know from my past that eating fat and protein is very important for my health. I don't know about weight, but if I don't eat enough fat and protein, I can feel my blood sugar go out of whack. Carbs, like crackers or pretzels will help for a little while, but if I want to feel "right" and not sick, I need to make sure that I'm eating lots of protein and fat.

That's all the time I have right now, but I have some questions that I'll get to later.

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Yesterday afternoon I got a new delivery of milk since then I've been drinking the milk with the cream and now I feel great! It's amazing the difference the fat makes! I feel like a dweeb, what a silly thing to do. But the book did say to skim the milk so that's what I did. Well, obviously I wasn't getting enough fat! And now that I am, it's like night and day. I feel great and I have plenty of energy. Yay!

So I guess this ties right into this conversation. Without fat you will be sickly and thin and dizzy and weak. With fat you will be healthy and energetic. I do think that carbs are what will add the extra weight for most people. But over-eating is also a culprit for weight gain. I wouldn't blame fat unless it is bad fat like trans-fats.....
Wow, now you're making me wonder if my own "detox" symptoms could be cured or at least eased with more fat . . . hmmmm . . . . thanks for the update!

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Keeping your blood healthy and looking/feeling good are both important issues when considering fat. The blood can get unhealthy for many reasons, not just too much fat, but also too much protein, heavy metals, parasites, etc. which essentially makes the blood thick, sluggish, cloggey, unhealthy. I don't think the controversy/question for healthy blood and even weight loss is necessarily too much fat or protein but what kind of fat you are consuming and how your body efficiently metabolizes it. Coconut oil, olive oil, animal fat are very good fats for you, canola oil, corn oil, margarine, etc. are very bad and our body does not efficiently metabolize them and then they get in our blood stream. Including low fat foods, they are an incomplete food as well as pasturized dairy products. The components which mother nature naturally provides in these healthy foods are stripped away leaving us with compromised food that our body cannot readily metabolize. For example raw milk has enzymes and bacteria that naturally help our body efficiently digest it. Where as pasturized and low fat milk only relies on our digestive juices to metabolize it and especially if our digestive system is compromised in anyway or we may have candida infection our body cannot efficienlty get rid of the fat/protein and it leaks through our intenstines into our blood stream undigested making our blood unhealthy. Very healthy people can still have compromised digestion, you cannot necessarily tell by looking at them. We all are striving to eat optimally.
I would recommend for anyone who is interested in their health especially their blood health to heave their blood looked at under a high powered microscope. It is an eye opening experience to see what kind of state your blood is in. It just takes a drop, and a high powered microscope, we had ours looked at in an alternative/wholistic doctor's office.
It is the same if you eat cooked vegetables/grains/and meat or unsoaked/sprouted grains,nuts and seeds. The enzymes for digestion have been mostly cooked out, the grains, nuts, and seeds have enzymes inhibitors.
This is why we sprout and lacto ferment our grains, and eat lots of fermented foods with our meats such as sauerkraut or eat our foods raw. Fermented foods are super raw foods with tons of enzymes to aid in digestion and raw foods are intact and also provide us with their natural enzymes so we are working with nature as our body intended; not fighting it. If all else fails it does not hurt to also take an enzyme supplement/capsule plus a dose of probiotics to aid in digestion.
So I see this matter not as a fat issue because the good fats are very good and our body needs them to function properly. It is a health issue of the digestive system. Too many doctors treat the symptom and not the all around cause and do not treat the body as an interconnected wholistic system.
I hope this helps.


great post.
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can eating too much fat spike your blood sugar if you are diabetic?
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becalive, I am no expert but from what I have read, fat/protein does not spike blood sugar, carbs do (in any form, both healthy and not healthy carbs), so the best thing to do if you are a diabetic is to stick to easier to digest whole grain carbs (the fiber reduces the insulin/blood sugar spike) and eat lots of healthy fats/protein.

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