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i want to get some more fermented CLO and high vit butter oil. but then i saw the krill oil on mercola's site. once again i'm confused! what is the best to get? or do they have different properties and can i take both CLO, butter oil and the krill oil? (i'm pregnant though so don't want to overdose)

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I would not take both Cod Liver Oil and krill oil together, especially while pregnant. Cod liver oil has a high amount of Vitamin A, which is a fat-soluble vitamin that is not just flushed out of the body when there is an excess, so it's possible to overdose. Many forms of DHA have some level of vitamin A, but CLO has the most, so I would never combine it with another form of DHA. Krill oil is a great supplement as well, but is a little different. In the past I've compared the krill oil to fish oil, and fish oil has a higher concentration of DHA. However, krill oil has many additional antioxidants and also has some anti-inflammatory properties. It's also less likely to have any toxins or heavy metals in it due to the very small size when compared to the larger fish used for fish oil. So you don't have to be as concerned about making sure it's carefully distilled. So it just depends on what you're looking for. If you want the higher concentration of DHA, go with a fish oil or CLO. But the krill oil is less likely to have toxins, and has some additional benefits. But don't combine the two.
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Natural vitamin A is very, very difficult to overdose on, as long as you're getting sufficient D. It's the synthetic A, which all the studies were done on, that poses a problem.

That said, Krill oil has only a small amount of vitamin A, so not a problem anyway. Combining should not be a problem for vitamin A reasons.

Krill oil alone would not support you in pregnancy the way that FCLO would. A, D, and K2 are really, really good for pregnancy, and Krill oil has little or none of those three things. I'd use the Krill oil as a supplemental EPA/DHA source, along with the added benefit of the astaxanthin, which is that great antioxidant it has. But not as a replacement for FCLO during pregnancy. You really need that A, D, and K2.

Also keep in mind that eating whole fish makes EPA and DHA more absorbable to your body, so that's also a good route to go if you are wanting more EPA/DHA in addition to your fermented clo. Wild-caught salmon has low toxicity, and you can get it in BPA-free cans from Vital Choice. Get it with the bones, and it's also a great source of calcium.

So, yes, you could take all three. FCLO is a good source of A, D, E, and some K2. High-vitamin Butter Oil is a wonderful source of K2, as well as cla's and other good things. And Krill Oil would get you a good extra dose of EPA/DHA, plus those great antioxidants it has. They each provide different things.

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I'm 37 weeks pregnant and I'm taking Krill, High Vitamin Butter Oil and Mercola's Whole Food Multivitamin plus minerals.

Krill oil supplies me with omega-3's without having to worry about toxins and heavy metals, I get my K2 from the HVBO and the rest of the essential vitamins and minerals from the multi.

I wouldn't really rely just on fermented CLO for my Vitamin D as it is so essential during pregnancy. The whole food multi provides a high dose of Vitamin D3 (5000 IU) which is in line with the latest guidelines regarding pregnancy and Vit D supplementation, and also provides you with the Vit A in the form of beta carotene. I'm a bit reluctant to supplement with Vit A while pregnant, I prefer to take it from food sources and I trust Mercola who says that we should not supplement with the retinol form of Vit A because of the interactions with Vit D.

The cost of the Krill Oil, HVBO and of the Whole Food Multi is already extraordinarily high so I'd skip the FCLO, I believe it is not necessary at this point.
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The whole food multi provides a high dose of Vitamin D3 (5000 IU) which is in line with the latest guidelines regarding pregnancy and Vit D supplementation, and also provides you with the Vit A in the form of beta carotene. I'm a bit reluctant to supplement with Vit A while pregnant, I prefer to take it from food sources and I trust Mercola who says that we should not supplement with the retinol form of Vit A because of the interactions with Vit D.
Not trying to influence you here -- but just to be fair to OP and others who are reading, there is is a LOT of disagreement with Mercola here. The interaction between A and D is similar to the interaction between calcium and magnesium -- each nutrient requires the other for processing, thus each increases the need for the other. Nothing to be scared of, just something to be aware of. The reason D interacts with the retinol forms of A is because that's the only form of A the body can really use. The beta-carotene A is very poorly converted by the body.

Here are some links that will help explain:
http://www.realmilk.com/vita.html
http://www.westonaprice.org/abcs-of-...a-knavery.html
http://www.westonaprice.org/abcs-of-...-on-trial.html
http://www.westonaprice.org/abcs-of-...in-a-saga.html

and
http://www.westonaprice.org/cod-live...8.html#clarify
"While some forms of synthetic vitamin A found in supplements can be toxic at only moderately high doses, fat-soluble vitamin A naturally found in foods like cod liver oil, liver, and butterfat is safe at up to ten times the doses of water-soluble, solidified and emulsified vitamin A found in some supplements that produce toxicity.(1) Additionally, the vitamin D found in cod liver oil and butterfat from pasture-raised animals protects against vitamin A toxicity, and allows one to consume a much higher amount of vitamin A before it becomes toxic.(1-3)"

Enjoy reading! And FWIW, I took FCLO, supplemental D in wintertime, AND ate liver during my last pregnancy. Very healthy pregnancy and baby.

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Thank you for the info!

But I'm aware of the dispute between Mercola and the WPF on this issue; I've been following Mercola for years now and I find him very knowledgeable and reliable, and although I'm very fond of the WPF I disagree with them on a number of things (eg recommending certain traditional foods such as sauerkraut, kombucha and liver to everybody thus ignoring each one's origins and unique traditional diet).

Therefore on this instance I chose to follow Dr. Mercola and not the WPF, although I do still take my HVBO
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Natural vitamin A is very, very difficult to overdose on, as long as you're getting sufficient D. It's the synthetic A, which all the studies were done on, that poses a problem.


That said, Krill oil has only a small amount of vitamin A, so not a problem anyway. Combining should not be a problem for vitamin A reasons.


Krill oil alone would not support you in pregnancy the way that FCLO would. A, D, and K2 are really, really good for pregnancy, and Krill oil has little or none of those three things. I'd use the Krill oil as a supplemental EPA/DHA source, along with the added benefit of the astaxanthin, which is that great antioxidant it has. But not as a replacement for FCLO during pregnancy. You really need that A, D, and K2.


Also keep in mind that eating whole fish makes EPA and DHA more absorbable to your body, so that's also a good route to go if you are wanting more EPA/DHA in addition to your fermented clo. Wild-caught salmon has low toxicity, and you can get it in BPA-free cans from Vital Choice. Get it with the bones, and it's also a great source of calcium.


So, yes, you could take all three. FCLO is a good source of A, D, E, and some K2. High-vitamin Butter Oil is a wonderful source of K2, as well as cla's and other good things. And Krill Oil would get you a good extra dose of EPA/DHA, plus those great antioxidants it has. They each provide different things.
I am confused about dosage during pregnancy. If I take the fclo/hvbo combo, how many capsules?
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I didnt know that the combo came in capsules, but I have found it much cheaper to take them sepratly, and not in capsule form.  I too was/am unclear on the dosage recommendations, and there seems to be some confusion because the combo has more HVBO than some say it should, etc.  SO, I take 3/4tsp FCLO, or sometimes 1/2tsp FCLO, 1/2tsp fermented skate liver oil (anyone know why you should take FSLO, I just do becauses GP says its beneficial lol), and I use butter oil when eating something with butter on it.  But, I havent been using BO lately, just a lot of ghee and butter and raw milk.  :)

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