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Punchy Kaby's Avatar Punchy Kaby 11:08 PM 07-27-2006
Hello! I'm just getting started with fermented foods and have some questions for some BTDT folks.

I'm excited to try the gingered carrots, but i'm on SCD for yeast so I don't want to let it ferment without a cover. Do I follow the recipe, add some water to cover the carrots and then put the cover on tightly? I have some whey from dripped yogurt, should I try adding that and cutting down on the salt?

I was also thinking about trying green beans and asparagus. I just put them in the jar raw?

I am drooling at the thought of kimchee and sauerkraut, but it will be many months before I can eat them!

Thanks for your help- I am eagerly awaiting my copy of NT.

Brisen's Avatar Brisen 10:07 AM 07-28-2006
I made gingered carrots in the fall. I think I just used salt water to pack them in -- 2 tsp per quart of water is sounding familiar, but don't quote me on that. I used Wild Fermentation as a guide. I should have taken notes! I packed in the salt water and carrots and put on the lid, then kept in a warm cupboard for a few weeks, then transferred to a cool basement. That method has worked for me with saurkraut, cortido, and other veggies -- but I haven't yet opened the ginger carrots, and a few months ago we moved -- since then, they've been sitting on top of cupboards in our kitchen, exposed to light and in a warm place, so now I don't know if I'll ever open them. I had fun making all those l-f veggies, but I'm far from being in the habit of eating them. I don't even know what I would eat ginger carrots with. The only veggies I've really used are the saurkraut (with sausage), cortido (with eggs or as coleslaw after adding mayo), and beets (which I added to borsht at the end of cooking, so it probably defeated the purpose of fermenting).
PGTlatte's Avatar PGTlatte 05:40 PM 07-28-2006
I just put the lid on my first batch of sauerkraut-type-stuff. I put in purple cabbage, and some sliced carrots and peeled zuchinni. It is myfirst attempt at fermentation. I followed the recipe here:

http://www.healingcrow.com/ferfun/ferfun.html

So, I guess in 3-4 days, I will try it.

Linda B.
celestialdreamer's Avatar celestialdreamer 06:54 PM 07-28-2006
Help! My sauerkraut is NASTY! I followed the instructions from NT for the dairy free version (but lots less caraway), but had to add a tiny bit of water to make the liquid cover it. I left it on the counter covered by a towel and stirred it/packed it down daily for 3 days, then transferred to the fridge. It smells NOTHING like the raw sauerkraut that I have purchased before and loved. It smells like the time I tried to make my own wild sourdough starter. I have another head of cabbage and I'd really like to make some sauerkraut with it. What am I doing wrong???
PGTlatte's Avatar PGTlatte 05:42 PM 07-31-2006
The purple sauerkraut/carrots/zucchini I jarred with brine on Friday was three days old today, and I tried it, and I love it I'm so thrilled that a little cabbage in salt water is all you need to get fermentation going - cool !

It is bubbling happily, but it's so good the way it is, that I want to stop the fermentation. Do I just put it in the fridge now ? And in the fridge, do I have to keep the brine level over the top of the top of the veggies to keep it from growing aerobic bacteria now ? And how long will it be good stored in the fridge ?

Also for my next batch, I think I want to do purple cabbage with cucumber chunks, and in a different jar, purple cabbage with carrot chunks. I was thinking of throwing in some green beans too. Would that be good ?

Linda B.



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Originally Posted by llp34
I just put the lid on my first batch of sauerkraut-type-stuff. I put in purple cabbage, and some sliced carrots and peeled zuchinni. It is myfirst attempt at fermentation. I followed the recipe here:

http://www.healingcrow.com/ferfun/ferfun.html

So, I guess in 3-4 days, I will try it.

Linda B.

tinuviel_k's Avatar tinuviel_k 06:46 PM 07-31-2006
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Help! My sauerkraut is NASTY! I followed the instructions from NT for the dairy free version (but lots less caraway), but had to add a tiny bit of water to make the liquid cover it. I left it on the counter covered by a towel and stirred it/packed it down daily for 3 days, then transferred to the fridge. It smells NOTHING like the raw sauerkraut that I have purchased before and loved. It smells like the time I tried to make my own wild sourdough starter. I have another head of cabbage and I'd really like to make some sauerkraut with it. What am I doing wrong???
How is the temperature in your house right now? I've heard that if it is into the 80's then some of the wrong bacteria/yeast develop. I did noe batch of sauerkraut when it was about 68 degrees and my latest batch when it was about 80 degrees. they both turned out, but the cooler batch was quite a bit tastier than the warmer.
PGTlatte's Avatar PGTlatte 07:41 PM 08-10-2006
My red cabbage sauerkraut came out really good, and I ate it, and never had any ill effects from it. So I made some red cabbage kraut with carrot chunks in it. The fermentation went really well - the brine was actually fizzy. The carrots are really yummy, and I like eating them, but they seem to make me a bit burpy. Does that mean something went wrong ? Are they bad for me to eat ? Or do they just need to mellow in the fridge and slow down a little bit ?

TIA,

Linda B.
Punchy Kaby's Avatar Punchy Kaby 09:13 PM 08-11-2006
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Originally Posted by llp34
My red cabbage sauerkraut came out really good, and I ate it, and never had any ill effects from it. So I made some red cabbage kraut with carrot chunks in it. The fermentation went really well - the brine was actually fizzy. The carrots are really yummy, and I like eating them, but they seem to make me a bit burpy. Does that mean something went wrong ? Are they bad for me to eat ? Or do they just need to mellow in the fridge and slow down a little bit ?

TIA,

Linda B.
Yum! I have my first 2 batches of fermented veggies on the counter now, ginger carrots and asparagus. Your kraut sounds sooo good. I am on SCD and have not gotten to cabbage yet but I may try making some to see if I can handle it.

As for burping, I don't know if its bad but the kraut is safe to eat unless it smells gross.
~Quse~'s Avatar ~Quse~ 12:10 AM 08-12-2006
Hi, I'm just getting into this fermenting stuff.

I made some salsa two days ago (using whey plus my usual salsa recipe...NT's salsa recipe looked CRAZY : ). I checked it today and it was very bubbly, it almost looked alive. I tried one tomato chunk and put the rest into the fridge to see if the taste will change in a week or two. It was good but I'm just not in the mood for salsa tonight.

I'm subbing!
cobluegirl's Avatar cobluegirl 01:51 AM 08-13-2006
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Originally Posted by Ruthla
I just took the Wild Fermentation book out of the library, and I think it's one I'm going to actually purchase- unless I can find something else with similar info that doesn't throw in all that OT stuff. I really DON'T need the politics of transgendered people in one of my recipe books!
yeah I didn't care much for that either....
member's Avatar member 09:55 AM 08-13-2006
I LOVED Wild Fermentation and Sandor. I could feel his heart in the recipes and I loved that he talked about his community and politics.
cobluegirl's Avatar cobluegirl 09:14 PM 08-13-2006
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Originally Posted by Selu
I LOVED Wild Fermentation and Sandor. I could feel his heart in the recipes and I loved that he talked about his community and politics.
you could definitely see his heart which is quite genuine, for sure. their community sounded neat too...I just wasn't expecting that when I got it.
caedmyn's Avatar caedmyn 11:42 AM 08-14-2006
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Originally Posted by Ruthla
I just took the Wild Fermentation book out of the library, and I think it's one I'm going to actually purchase- unless I can find something else with similar info that doesn't throw in all that OT stuff. I really DON'T need the politics of transgendered people in one of my recipe books!
Let me know if you find a different one...I would really prefer not to buy the book for that reason, although some of the recipes look good. Maybe I'll buy a used copy and cut the recipes out and toss the rest of the book.
MomInFlux's Avatar MomInFlux 11:56 AM 08-14-2006
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Originally Posted by Selu
I LOVED Wild Fermentation and Sandor. I could feel his heart in the recipes and I loved that he talked about his community and politics.
Me too! I felt like the discussion of the author's community really gave context to how his recipes came about and/or evolved and helped frame their health significance.
mzfern's Avatar mzfern 08:33 AM 08-19-2006
Hi there! I'm VERY new to the whole of ferments. Last winter, I unsuccessfully tried to do a wild sourdough starter out of Wild Fermentation but it was a miserable failure.

Right now, I have sauerkraut brewing away on my counter in a crock and it smells like… stinky. I used just cabbage and salt; all the cabbage is submerged beneath the brine. It’s not a bad stinky exactly; it’s sort of a sour milk stinky. I suppose that’s the lactic acid?

Now, is this smell just something I’ll need to get used to? It's only been brewing for 3 days. I’m not sure if my pregnant nose can handle this for weeks on end. Plus, I’m having company in a few weeks (mom and dad). They already think I’m a bizarro

Thanks for your help!
member's Avatar member 09:40 AM 08-19-2006
Edited because I was in the in the wrong thread, lol.
Punchy Kaby's Avatar Punchy Kaby 07:40 PM 08-19-2006
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Originally Posted by mzfern
Hi there! I'm VERY new to the whole of ferments. Last winter, I unsuccessfully tried to do a wild sourdough starter out of Wild Fermentation but it was a miserable failure.

Right now, I have sauerkraut brewing away on my counter in a crock and it smells like… stinky. I used just cabbage and salt; all the cabbage is submerged beneath the brine. It’s not a bad stinky exactly; it’s sort of a sour milk stinky. I suppose that’s the lactic acid?

Now, is this smell just something I’ll need to get used to? It's only been brewing for 3 days. I’m not sure if my pregnant nose can handle this for weeks on end. Plus, I’m having company in a few weeks (mom and dad). They already think I’m a bizarro

Thanks for your help!
I cover and seal my kraut while it is fermenting. It will still ferment but it will not be 'wild', (take yeasts and bacteria from the air.) I rememeber the days of smelling everything so strongly! Let your nose be your guide, if it doesn't smell like you want to eat it, don't eat it.
mzfern's Avatar mzfern 10:33 PM 08-19-2006
Cover and seal... hmm... that might be tricky. I'm using a crock I got from Goodwill, muslin over the veggies, and a bag full of water to weigh it down. The brine has risen around the circumference of the bag. I have the outside of the crock covered with a tea towel to protect it from any spiders, etc (I live in the country and I seem to be overrun with spiders no matter what I do).

Please don't take this the wrong way. To those of you who don't cover and seal their crocks -- have you learned to live with the sour milk smell in your kitchen? Thanks for your honesty
Josette Marie's Avatar Josette Marie 02:17 AM 08-20-2006
I am making the root beer now. It was a bit expensive the sassafras (if you have the luck to find it). I hear it's illegal...I don't if this is true or not.

Anyways it cost me about $18. for the sassafras alone for a 2 qt mason jar. I have tasted it yet...probably will be ready in a few weeks. I will let ya know.

I have made the cherry chutney...very yummy!

how about those open crocks (you find at thrift stores) and just place a cloth over it?

I have made the gingered carrots but didn't care for them too much.

I have a recipe for a polish potato soup that calls for saurkraut...if anyone is interested let me know ( I am too lazy to get up and get the recipe right now )
MyLittleWonders's Avatar MyLittleWonders 02:16 PM 08-20-2006
Beet kvass question - ds and I tried to make some beet kvass a couple days ago - I only left it in the cupboard for 2 days, and then transferred to the fridge. Today I tried a little and it smelled like dirt (basically like an unpeeled beet) and didn't taste like much at all except salt. Should I put it back in the cupboard for a few more days. There's nothing bubbly about it (should there be?). I just used beets, whey, sea salt and water ... though I covered the mason jars with lids and not cloth. Should I put cloth over them instead and leave them to ferment a bit longer?
Punchy Kaby's Avatar Punchy Kaby 12:25 AM 09-05-2006
Has anyone ever used recipies from this cookbook? http://www.radiantlifecatalog.com/pr.../ct/5/pid/1010

I have made sauerkraut a couple of times now and I want it to have more tangyness and maybe need to look into other recipies.
anonymous4_20's Avatar anonymous4_20 12:30 AM 10-27-2006
I can't believe I had to dig down so far to find this thread! I just tried my first batch of sauerkraut today and it was so yummy! I made a small batch because DH and I usually don't like kraut, but we've only really had the canned kind. This is a whole different animal! I used the WF recipe, which is exactly how I remember my grandma telling me she used to make it as a child during WWI. She always would rag on me for not liking kraut, and would make me eat a small piece every year at New Year's anyway for good luck. She would be so happy to know I made it--I'd never hear the end of it! I'll be doing up another crock mid-December for our New Year's pork roast and this year I'm going to eat a whole bunch in memory of her!

I got so inspired that I did a crock of mixed veggies this afternoon. I've got carrots, broccoli, turnips, parsnips, garlic and cilantro going now. We'll see how it turns out.

I do have a few questions. I notice people here mentioning their crocks bubbling. Mine didn't. Did it still ferment ok? It tasted fine. It seemed to salty so I replaced some of the brine with water a few times. Does that hurt it? Also, is it really so horrible to cook it? Does it kill all the good bacteria, or is there some left? I'd like to do kielbasa and sauerkraut in the crockpot.

Thanks for inspiring me, everyone!
Hibou's Avatar Hibou 02:34 PM 10-27-2006
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It seemed to salty so I replaced some of the brine with water a few times.
This sounds like a good idea. I made a too-salty batch of kimchi awhile back, and although it's mellowed a little, it's still a little too salty. I think I'll try replacing some of the brine like you did.
westie42's Avatar westie42 03:53 PM 11-14-2006
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Bestbirths's Avatar Bestbirths 01:40 PM 11-18-2006
Can anyone tell me why my sauerkraut at three weeks tastes like a dirty dishtowel...tasteless and yuk.....

OK so I was covering it with old washcloths....and that's what it tastes like right now.....dur

What do I do? Remove the layers on top? Use new washcloths to cover it? OY It is also tasteless (besides the washcloth taste) and lacks any kind of tang or good flavor...help!!!
staceyshoe's Avatar staceyshoe 03:03 PM 11-18-2006
I am trying to absorb all the good info here but will definitely bookmark and re-read this thread a dozen times! I do have a couple of questions for you.

Is there a standard brine strength that you use for all veggies or does it change depending on the recipe?

For those that use jars, what do you use to weigh down the veggies? Since I'm starting small, jars would work great, but I can't figure out what to use in them for weight.

Thanks so much, everyone!
auntieM's Avatar auntieM 05:36 PM 11-18-2006
I only leave the kraut towel covered for the first little while. After that, I cover it with a lid. To weigh down the kraut, I've used both a jar & a brine filled plastic bag.

The taste definitely changes over time....

HTH
saratc's Avatar saratc 06:33 PM 11-18-2006
I just made a huge batch of kraut today. For the smaller jars, I leave some room at the top, tuck a whole piece of cabbage at the top so it covers the whole top and is tucked in on the sides and then I wedge a sake cup on top of that and close the lid. For my large glass jar, I covered the top with a few pieces of cabbage, and then stuck a small pyrex bowl filled with pie weights on top of that, covered with the jar lid, and then stuck one of DH's heavy programming books on top of the lid.

In terms of brine strength, I don't usually make a brine unless the veggies aren't making enough brine themselves. I have both WF and NT and I think my recipe for fermented veggies is slightly different from the recipes in the books. If using whey, I use about 4-5 tbsp of whey and 1.5 tbsp salt per 5 lbs of veggies. If not using whey, I use about 2 to 3 tbsp of salt per 5 lbs of veggies. I usually use whey but not as much as NT calls for. If adding extra brine, I use 1 tsp of salt to 1 cup of water.
auntieM's Avatar auntieM 12:12 AM 11-19-2006
I love how everyone has their different ways of making it work. It points to the fact that it's not really all that tough & you can make it work with things that you likely have on hand. If you haven't tried fermenting veggies & are thinking about doing so, dive in!
Metasequoia's Avatar Metasequoia 12:52 PM 01-03-2007
Phew just caught up, I want to make kraut & am trying to figure out the logistics of a jar/crock.
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