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Anyone interested in talking about their favorite ways to make fermented veggies? I love my veggie ferments, and I think they deserve as much respect as yogurt and kefir (which are also staples in our house). Fermented veggies are living foods that can heal and balance the digestive system, plus they're delicious to boot!

Right now I've got sauerkraut and brined garlic brewing on the counter, and tomorrow I'm hoping to start a new batch of kimchi. I'd really like to try something fun like ginger beer sometime soon, and am open to any new ideas!
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I am just getting started on fermenting veggies. I did my first sourkraut last week and it is so so so very good. Way better than I thought it would be. Of course it is taking every bit of self restraint not to cook it with a pork roast or god forbid hot dogs!!! I want to try kimchi next. How do you do your garlic? I love garlic so maybe I shouldn't know...I might become obsessed! I also want to try pickles but am kinda scared I will screw it up some how. I am a well rounded cook, so I do not know why I feel so intimidated by ferments! I guess I just need to try.
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I've been reading Wild Fermentation by Sandor Elix Katz. Awesome book! Well... there are lots of weirdnesses, but also a TON of good recipes. I can't wait to try some of them. I got the book from my library because I didn't want to buy it without knowing more about it. I think I'm gonna have to buy this one...
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I'm making borsht for lunch today. I cook potatoes and carrots and peas in stock (I prefer beef, but I have chicken), and then once they are cooked and the heat is off, I add in some l-f beets (I don't to it like in NT, I chop them, smaller than regular pickled beets, but big enough that they are pieces, yk? they are a bit crispy, still) and saurkraut.

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I am just getting started on fermenting veggies. I did my first sourkraut last week and it is so so so very good. Way better than I thought it would be. Of course it is taking every bit of self restraint not to cook it with a pork roast or god forbid hot dogs!!! I want to try kimchi next. How do you do your garlic? I love garlic so maybe I shouldn't know...I might become obsessed! I also want to try pickles but am kinda scared I will screw it up some how. I am a well rounded cook, so I do not know why I feel so intimidated by ferments! I guess I just need to try.
That's great that your sauerkraut turned out well! That seems to be one ferment that a lot of people have trouble with! For me, it was a bit of a stretch learning to eat it raw, since I always ate it cooked before. Now if I heat it, I fry up some onions in butter then I toss in the sauerkraut just to heat it up a little. As for garlic, well this is honestly the first time i've tried it alone, so I'll let you know how it turns out, but what I did was pack about 3-4 c. cloves into a quart jar, then I covered it with a brine solution made of 2 c. cold green tea, and 1 Tbsp sea salt. I thought maybe the tannins in the tea would help to keep the garlic crunchy. In Wild Fermentation, Katz talks about using plants with high tannin content to keep veggies from going soft. I know green tea doesn't have a very high tannin content, but thought it might help anyways. This summer I hope to collect some labrador tea leaves which are very high in tannin content, to use in my fermented veggie crocks.


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I've been reading Wild Fermentation by Sandor Elix Katz. Awesome book! Well... there are lots of weirdnesses, but also a TON of good recipes. I can't wait to try some of them. I got the book from my library because I didn't want to buy it without knowing more about it. I think I'm gonna have to buy this one...
I finally bought it too. I like his recipes much better than SF's, and I love the diversity- flipping thru the book totally inspires me!

Brisen- your soup sounds awesome! When I made sour beets, I shredded mine. They turned out great. Only made them once, but I have a big bag of beets in the fridge so if I get my kimchi done, I might get to them in the next day or two.


Has anyone made their own ginger beer or root beer? Thought this might be a good way to get my dh to start on fermented foods (he thinks it's totally creepy). I am specifically wondering about sweetners. I don't want to use refined white sugar, but would it be better to use honey or Rapadura?
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Ohhhhh ... garlic.
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Does anyone use whey as per NT directions? When I do the veggies are slimy. But I've since read and been told not to use whey but just salt. Any thoughts on this? The WF book is on my list and this thread is convincing me to go ahead and buy it. And what about crocks? I recently had some super sauerkraut and the maker of it told me that the Harsch crocks make a lot of difference.
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I use whey and have never had trouble. NOt sure what to suggest for the sliminess. Or I use the juice from the last batch or a combo of both.

We're a kimchi family all the way. Love the stuff! I also regularly make the salsa, which we also eat like there's no tomorrow.

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Yitlan, how long does your fermented salsa last? I had some in the fridge that went moldy on the top, not sure why. I used frozen tomatoes instead of fresh, could that have anything to do with it? Do you have a recipe, or do you just throw in whatever?

Carnelian, I don't usually use whey, except in my mayo because the whey is supposed to help preserve it longer. I don't find, for small batches at least, that you really need extra salt either. As for crocks, I would love to get my hands on some! but for now, I just use glass jars. It drives me nuts though- people collect crocks as antiques to sit on shelves and look at, so I can't find any to make my fermented veggies in!!
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Yitlan, how long does your fermented salsa last? I had some in the fridge that went moldy on the top, not sure why. I used frozen tomatoes instead of fresh, could that have anything to do with it? Do you have a recipe, or do you just throw in whatever?
I know it's lasted about a month. THat's the longest I could keep my family from eating it up, though! I don't know that frozen tomatoes would make a difference. I use the recipes in NT and Eat Fat Lose Fat. NTs is with fresh tomatoes and EFLF uses canned. I usually leave out the oregano b/c I don't prefer it in my salsa. I don't always put in hot peppers, just depends on what's around!

I would suggest using whey if you had mold, though. Maybe it would help keep it at bay?

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It drives me nuts though- people collect crocks as antiques to sit on shelves and look at, so I can't find any to make my fermented veggies in!!
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thanks for your empathy Siana!

Has anyone made the NT ketchup? How is it? My ds loves ketchup (Heinz)- I try to get organic, but it still has lots of sugar in it. I might be able to get him to eat homemade if it tastes/textures similar.

Also, I've been looking for ideas on this for awhile- fermented hot sauce. DH is a hotsauce junkie. How could I make a fermented hot pepper sauce?
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Perfect timing! I'm just now getting into NT and wild fermentation.... so I have sourdough, kombucha going.... and a batch of batter for idlis bubbling up right now. I'm loving this- I feel more connected to my food.

So DH brought home a ton of snake green beans, and okras. Any ideas on fermenting those? Tips? I've only done pickled veggies, canned in vinegar, so this will be my first fermented veggie experiment! NT says to add whey.... I don't have whey handy, but could make yogurt cheese to get some whey if it'd be really necessary. I'd love to have your tips on making something simple that would turn out well. Okras... I would hate for them to get slimy. Yuck! Maybe a corn okra relish kind of thing? Ideas?

Does the whey really preserve fermented veggies longer? Wondering... since I'll be making a big batch of okras and snake beans and we probably wouldn't be able to eat it all in a month or two. What are your experiences with mold? Could I keep them in the basement, instead of taking up space in the refrigator?

And- do you always use wide mouth canning jars? Is it really important? I don't have very many wide mouth ones handy, and plenty of regular size ones.
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Oh, and on the crocks... another fermenter I know uses the crocks from crockpots. Great thing to do with those, they're usually abundant in thrift shops.
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I always use wide mouth canning jars (or one of the two small crocks I have) simply because I can't pack the veggies as tightly into the jars as is needed when I use a regular canning jar. I don't have anything that will fit down into the mouth of the regular canning jar, but if you do, you could probably use those, too.

And while there's a lot of things I'll try at least once (twice, if it hurts ), okra in any way, shape, or form is not one of them. I freakin' hate okra! So I'm absolutely no help to you there.
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On using crockpot crocks ... Don't they need to be airtight? Everything I've read on the crocks says that they need to have an airtight lid. I don't think the lid for a crockpot crock would work for that, would it? That's a great idea, though, as they are much more readily available!
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If using a crock, put a plate that fits into the crock on top of the veggies. Put something on top of it to weight it down. This will force the liquid up and keep the veggies submerged and away from air.

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The WF books suggests using recycled crocks (like from a crock pot) and there is no mention of a tight fitting lid. He suggests a plate with a rock or other weight on top of it.

I'm just getting into fermenting my own foods. So far all I've done is sourdough bread, but I have a big list of foods I want to do. I have a cabbage in my fridge waiting to be fermented later today. NT's ketchup is also on my list, I'm watching for answers to whether it was good or not.
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On using crockpot crocks ... Don't they need to be airtight? Everything I've read on the crocks says that they need to have an airtight lid. I don't think the lid for a crockpot crock would work for that, would it?

This is one issue I totally disagree with Sally Fallon on. Natural fermentation uses the "beasties" from the air to work, so IMO, covering things while they are fermenting is more likely to lead to spoiled batches. I prefer Sandor Katz's approach in WF too- weigh down veggies with a plate (if using a big crock) or just pack them down under the brine daily with your hands, and cover the tops with a cloth. The only time I've had something go bad while it was fermenting was when I didn't pack it back down under the liquid every day.
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And- do you always use wide mouth canning jars? Is it really important? I don't have very many wide mouth ones handy, and plenty of regular size ones.
I use every size of canning jar. I have a spoon that I've bent into an "L" shape and that's what I use to pack down veggies in jars with smaller mouths.
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As for crocks, I would love to get my hands on some! but for now, I just use glass jars. It drives me nuts though- people collect crocks as antiques to sit on shelves and look at, so I can't find any to make my fermented veggies in
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I wish I had more info than this, but: I've had several people tell me to watch out for old, old crocks, b/c some of them have been painted with lead paint. There is some way you can test for this...but my memory isn't so great. I'm sorry to just have that scary info and no helpful way to find out. The woman who got me into fermenting won't even use old crocks, she bought a bunch of really nice (and really $$$) ones from Lehmans.
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yay! i am so glad to see this thread. i love my fermented veggies. i lost the taste for all my homemade stuff wheni got pg this time around ( i was addicted to bubbies pickles, but all my stuff made me queasy) , but im finally getting it back. i have made saurkraut, kimchee, cucumber pickles, beets, and miso pickles, all with great success. i was suprised to hear someone mention that making kraut was supposed to be hard- it is so easy! me and ds (26 m) eat it by the forkful raw, and then drink the juice!! mmmmm. i also love the book wild fermentation. its so inspiring. i havent expiremented with homemade non-veggie ferments, except for breads. i am very excited about making homemade yogurts and cheeses someday, and i definitely want to start making my own beer.

two recipes that intrigued me that i havent tried yet are the one where you mix buckwheat groats with yogurt (i know, not a veggie!) and the one where you ferment greens in their own juices.

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I just took the Wild Fermentation book out of the library, and I think it's one I'm going to actually purchase- unless I can find something else with similar info that doesn't throw in all that OT stuff. I really DON'T need the politics of transgendered people in one of my recipe books!

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Ok you all have inspired me to to make more things.I started pickles with lots of garlic yesterday and I am so excited.I love pickles and really hope they turn out. I am gonna try beet kvass later today.
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We are about to replenish our supply of homemade sauerkraut and (my favorite) ginger carrots
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OK, My beet kvass was ready last night.

ummmm...I don't think I like it.

But I'll try some cold today! I also looked on ebay for "crocks" and there where some cheep ones but shipping kills ya cuz the weight! When I did a search on google under "stonewear crocks" some good sights came up that payed for shipping even! Take a look! I think I'm going to get back into my ceramics and through some. The local art leage by me has classes that include all supplys. For the price of buying one big crock I can whip out 30! CROCKS FOR ALL!!!!lol

Anyway, My garden is going and I look forward to pickles and getting my WF book someday from amazon! I have TONS of veggies growing(Minus okra! LOL) and I'm totally phyched to make radish kimche and krout! Evn that garlic sounds great, but I'll have to just buy some, I didnt try growing that yet!

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This is the crock I'd like to buy. The ne plus ultra of crocks. But at that price until I get the fermenting down and am doing it regularly it's mason jars for us.

Beet kvass is very nice with a slice of lemon squeezed and added to the glass. It gets better with time. I'm impressed by all the good results people are getting with their ferments. I'm still trudging away trying to avoid the slime factor with mine.
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i got my green beans packed up in brine.... a la wild fermentation style, covered with a cloth. put in dill, garlic, peppercorns... hopefully they'll stay crunchy!

i'm gonna fry up those okras, and make some cornbread. i'm a good texan at heart!

last night we had dosas for dinner. yummmy!! the recipe was from WF. anyone try those yet? i'm thinking i would prefer garlic in them rather than ginger, though.
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