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I've heard that one should go easy on kombucha when breastfeeding due to its detoxifying properties, but then I found this from the Kombucha America page...
"Pregnant women or women who are breast feeding should not drink excessive amounts of the tea as the tea contains both alcohol (about 1%) and caffeine and is slightly acidic. The tea however can be made with decaf tea. Most people drink 1 to 3 cups a day. Some incorrectly believe that because Kombucha detoxifies the body the toxins that are removed might somehow harm a fetus or a breast feeding baby. This does not happen, such toxins are removed by the functions of the liver and kidneys. There is no FDA warning cautioning women not to drink Kombucha if pregnant or breastfeeding and we have never heard of any fetus, or baby, having being harmed because the mother has taken the tea."
What are your thoughts and experiences?
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my personal experience is that it hasn't seemed to bother my son at all. he's 22 mo and still nursing, i didn't start drinking kombucha until about 4 mo ago maybe. i even allow him to have sips of my tea sometimes, he likes it. honestly, i haven't really felt any detoxifying effects, but my diet has changed tremendously since the birth of my son and i don't think i could pin point any relief of my previous symptoms on just one or two things. some days i drink 1-4 cups and other days not at all.

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I drink it a lot. My dd is 16 months old and nurses almost exclusively. It doesn't seem to bother her at all.
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Thanks, desertpenguin and mama_b! Do you make your kombucha with decaf tea, or regular?
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Thanks, desertpenguin and mama_b! Do you make your kombucha with decaf tea, or regular?
I make mine with organic black tea. But before I learned how to make it, I was buying it at Whole Foods, and there's is made with green tea. I think the green tea kombucha tastes better, so that's what I'll be buying from now on. If you buy decaf, make sure it's not chemically decaffeinated.
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I would be cautious, more so if pregnant. I initially made it for DH, but got hooked on the taste. I just also happen to be chelating from mercury toxicity. When I started the kombucha a large number of my mercury toxicity symptoms had been gone for two months. This was due to the length of time I had been chelating and the addition of the second chelating agent a couple of months before. I started the kombucha in the afternoon when it was done brewing and many of my mercury toxicity symptoms returned very early the next morning. I took it for a total of three days, not thinking that fermented tea could really be mobilizing mercury. I called the herbalist that I bought the scoby from because I was a little freaked out that a simple ferment could be so powerful. He explained that as a detoxifier the kombucha releases ALL toxins from the cells and that a copious amount of water must be consumed to flush the toxins out. Honestly, I had not been drinking a lot of water since I started consuming the kombucha. I started drinking a gallon of water over the course of the day with my 12 oz. of kombucha and the symptoms are much better.
I think a lot has to do with how toxic you are. See the testimony at the very bottom of the following WAP article :

http://www.westonaprice.org/foodfeatures/kvass.htm

This is all just my opinion and experience. I think it depends what kind of toxins you have in your body. A fetus will absorb mercury like a sponge. There is one way I have found will always reveal whether or not your body is doing some heavy detoxing. This has been true for myself, DH, and some friends. When you are detoxing more than your body usually does you will notice increased odor in your armpits. I found this to be true when I added selenium (part of the body's natural detox pathways), ALA (natural chelating agent again part of the body's natural detox pathways), and kombucha. When my body got used to the dosage of product the odor would dissipate. It took a month for the selenium and the stink would get worse every time I increased my ALA dose and then settle back down. DH only had odor for a few days. I know that he is less toxic than I am. I swear his detox pathways work better than mine. He had about 1/4th of the number of vaxes that I've had.
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Short and sweet answer: If you've been drinking it fairly regularly and are not super toxic, then continue to do so!

Though I've cut back my kombucha drinking while pregnant, since I also drink water kefir and dairy kefir, mainly, it has never been an issue/problem from what I've read. Even the alcohol content is less than what is considered 'alcohol free' drinks...

On days that I drink more than a 4/6 oz glass, I do take a 'green drink' with plenty of chlorella in it. Chlorella is literally like a 'magnet' that will bind with not only mercury, but any other 'heavy toxic metals' that are floating around in your body and suck them down and out the eliminatory system.... GREAT, gentle detox stuff! Plus, once it's done binding with nasty stuff, if you happen to have any excess unused iron floating around, the magnesium core of the chlorella will be replaced by the iron and is like having an instant 'iron rich' blood transfusion... It's great for pregnant moms with low iron counts!

Any of the 'barley greens', wheat grass drinks or such will work. I also like the 'Chlorella tablets/powder' that you can buy..Sun Chlorella brand is good stuff!
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i've been making my kombucha with green tea. it isn't decaffeinated though. : i've also used rooibos tea which is naturally caffeine free but i didn't care for the taste too much because rooibos is naturally somewhat sweet tasting and even with using less sugar for the brewing it always tasted too sweet for me.

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When you are detoxing more than your body usually does you will notice increased odor in your armpits.
dang, i guess my body is trying to detox pretty bad then. i've had stinky armpits since i was about 12 and it hasn't seemed to improve even with my dietary and lifestyle changes.

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i've been making my kombucha with green tea. it isn't decaffeinated though. : i've also used rooibos tea which is naturally caffeine free but i didn't care for the taste too much because rooibos is naturally somewhat sweet tasting and even with using less sugar for the brewing it always tasted too sweet for me.
In the book, 'Kombucha Phenomenon' by Betsy Pryor and Sanford Holst, she says that studies show that with a standard 7-10 day brew cycle, that almost all the caffeine and sugar will be used up and the kombucha you will be drinking will contain very little of either. The sugars are converted to simple glucose early on and by 17 days of brewing (if you want to brew it tht long) ALL sugars will be used up.

Also, while there is some alcohol produced early on (this is a mechanism that helps protect the brew from mold), most of it is converted to organic acid compounds (really good stuff) as the natural acidity increases during the regular brew cycle. So by the time you are drinking matured kombucha (7-10 days) you /might/ have .5 % left. So that's fairly safe, pregnant or not.

Another thing, one of the key ingredients in Kombucha, the glucuronic acid produced is not only a toxin 'releaser' but a binder that will capture said toxins and help them be eliminated via your kidneys. This acid is naturally produced in your liver everyday for this purpose, kombucha just 'helps' boost this process. Good if you have over taxed liver/kidneys, which most of us do today! So while it might detox you, it'll also bind it up and eliminate it for you!

Also, for pregnant and nursing moms, it has B1, B2, B3, B6, B12!, as well as the needed folic acid and L-lactic acid (helpful for cancer patients). Just to name a few of the good things that are especially helpful for you.



So feel free to use caffeinated tea to make your brew. Some say that this helps the culture anyway, as de caff tea is usually altered and can contain unwanted chemical residues.
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xenabyte, that's really cool. i guess i should've read up more on kombucha. lol.

about using decaffeinated tea, perhaps this is why the mushrooms that i was using in rooibos were very jelly like and see-through flimsy...because rooibos has no caffeine... hm. i wonder.

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thanks, Heather! You are a font of information, as usual! I'm glad to see another reference to toxins being 'escorted' out of the body, rather than being secreted into breastmilk.
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Another thing, one of the key ingredients in Kombucha, the glucuronic acid produced is not only a toxin 'releaser' but a binder that will capture said toxins and help them be eliminated via your kidneys. This acid is naturally produced in your liver everyday for this purpose, kombucha just 'helps' boost this process. Good if you have over taxed liver/kidneys, which most of us do today! So while it might detox you, it'll also bind it up and eliminate it for you!

Also, for pregnant and nursing moms, it has B1, B2, B3, B6, B12!, as well as the needed folic acid and L-lactic acid (helpful for cancer patients). Just to name a few of the good things that are especially helpful for you.
Heather,
This is the first I've heard or read of GA actually binding toxins. I'm off to research some more. Did you find this in the Laurel Farms book?

Allie - I don't know about stinky pits for years. I don't know if that has something to do with bacterial load. My feet have smelled like vinegar for years and are now almost odor free after chelation/detox and NT diet. We've only noticed and increase in stench for a certain time period after taking supplements that are part of the detox pathway and kombucha.
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Allie - I don't know about stinky pits for years. I don't know if that has something to do with bacterial load. My feet have smelled like vinegar for years and are now almost odor free after chelation/detox and NT diet. We've only noticed and increase in stench for a certain time period after taking supplements that are part of the detox pathway and kombucha.
i wouldn't be surprised if i have a good bit of toxicity built up in my body. i was ff and vaxed (although it was less vaxes in the 80s than nowadays, and my dad said i didn't get as many as a lot of other kids...don't know though.) growing up we had a lot of sweets and junkie food around, but i think that we did eat quite a bit of whole foods too because my dad hunted and fished and my mom had a garden and a raspberry patch. after my parents divorced though, i lived with my dad and my diet reeaallly went downhill from there. i was 11 at the time...hmm, coincidence? i wonder how long it'll take me to completely detox from all of that...

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[QUOTE=moneca;6186988]Heather,
This is the first I've heard or read of GA actually binding toxins. I'm off to research some more. Did you find this in the Laurel Farms book?
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Yes, in the Betsy Pryor book (Laurel Farms)...she also references the Gunther Frank book, but I didn't double check in his book, as I can't find it...I think a friend 'borrowed' it from my health and healing library of books!

Your liver naturally produces the GA to 'bind' and escort toxins out via kidneys, so it should be the same process for the Kombucha produced GA, as it's essentially just 'boosting' your natural ability to do this. But more research on it would be nice! However, I really trust Betsy, as she has done ALOT of research on Kombucha and never makes 'outrageous' claims for any of it's benefits.

I was a vax'd child, and I do many of the 'detox' things for that very reason....I was unable to conceive for 8 years, until I did a heavy metal (mercury mostly) detox and within 6 months, conceived!!! I remember my 'sweat' smelling icky back then, but now I rarely even need deodorant when I'm eating well and staying away from artificial food additives (so all home cooking). But MAN, I can almost tell you what a person has eaten recently just by their B.O. somedays!!
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So Kombucha is a detoxifier/chelator? Would it be safe to start drinking kombucha with amalgram fillings in place? I know that chelation isn't safe until they're removed (which is going to be a while since insurance won't cover that and I don't have the money to pay for it out of pocket.)

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So Kombucha is a detoxifier/chelator? Would it be safe to start drinking kombucha with amalgram fillings in place? I know that chelation isn't safe until they're removed (which is going to be a while since insurance won't cover that and I don't have the money to pay for it out of pocket.)
: I'm wondering that myself, because DH has a TON of amalgam fillings.
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I had my 'one' amalgam filling removed and then did a heavy detox program, and that was when I got 'pregnant' after 8 years of trying...so I know all too well the impact of having even ONE in my mouth!!!

That being said, those fillings release mercury into your system everytime you chew food and do so especially when you or eat /any/ acidic foods or liquids (chewing gum is the worst, I've been told)....so you pretty much already have that going on.

I'd rather have the kombucha to at least bind and remove some of that if at all possible, since your liver is probably in 'overtime' trying to keep up with what you get everday when you eat/drink. I wish I'd known about kombucha back then when I had the filling!

For those with fillings, waiting for removal...I'd highly suggest trying to add in some type of chlorella suppliment, either in a quick mix drink (Like Barley Greens or the Kyola Brand) or the powder/tablet form, like 'Sun Chlorella Brand'. You need it now! Then once you do get them removed, do a 'system' designed to remove those toxins and deep cleanse and a liver/kidney flush wouldn't hurt either! www.curezone.com has great info on all kinds of flushes.

I hope you get it taken care of, and make sure the dentist you do go to uses a 'dam' and keeps suction going to keep the mercury vapors AWAY from you breathing them.
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So, relevant, Xenabyte! I had an appt to get some of my amalgams replaced next week, but then I decided that I want to do that after my dd weans. The problem is that then I'll need to wait at least 6 mos before TTC again, and I ain't no spring chicken. Regardless, I'm so happy to have your SCOBY on its way to me, to help me be my healthiest in the meantime. I never have been a gum chewer, but now I get ansty when eating hot things.
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Heather -

I found the following on GA :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glucuronic_acid

This one is longer, but worth ther read :

http://www.bluemarble.de/Norbert/kom...y_glucuron.htm

Hmm... I know that the kombucha really moved mercury in my body. It's taken me two weeks of chelation to get back to where I was before I took the KT without enough water to flush out the toxins. No further problems. Wow, 8 years of infertility and only one amalgam contributed to that! I had 7 removed and most others I know have that many or more. I really do believe our level of toxicity has a lot to do with the shape of our natural detox pathways. Just curious, what chelation protocol did you use?
I wonder if GA crosses the blood brain barrier? I haven't seen anything to that effect. I'll have to keep looking.
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[QUOTE=xenabyte;6192958 But MAN, I can almost tell you what a person has eaten recently just by their B.O. somedays!![/QUOTE]

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So Kombucha is a detoxifier/chelator? Would it be safe to start drinking kombucha with amalgram fillings in place? I know that chelation isn't safe until they're removed (which is going to be a while since insurance won't cover that and I don't have the money to pay for it out of pocket.)
Kombucha is a detoxifier, but not a chelator. A chelator, by definition, uses a "clawlike" effect to pull specific toxins (mercury for example) out of the body. Chelators should never be used while amalgams are in place because they can pull more mercury from you amalgams into your blood stream. Since KT detoxifies I don't see that it would be anything but beneficial to use with amalgams. From my own experience I would start slow with plenty of water if you feel you might be relatively toxic.
DH has 4 amalgams, but everything about him suggests that his natural detox pathways are in good shape. He'll be having the amalgams removed in a couple months per iaomt protocol www.iaomt.com and he'll probably just do high dose AMLA (natural C) and kombucha along with other NT foods/supps and plenty of water. We use milk thistle capsules and occasional castor oil liver packs to help our livers as they're filtering all this mercury out of our bodies. He'd never do the waking every 3 hours during the night to take chelators like I do .
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Those of you that have had your amalgams removed, can you tell me how much it cost you? My dh really wants his gone, but we don't know if we can afford it.
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Yeah!! So Kombucha just does the good stuff (removes what floating toxins you already have in you) and doesn't pull more to circulate in your body. That's really great to know!! So I'd definitely feel safe drinking it while pregnant and/or breastfeeding!

I kinda got my amalgam removal for really cheap, as the dentist was a client of mine (I was doing Therapeutic Massage in the same medical building)..so for a few neck rubs for him and the staff, I got it out for like $10....

I had been vax'd and received many shots for a bad ear infection when I was a baby...and we lived in a rural area that probably had toxins in the water supply (near oil fields in Texas) when I was growing up. We ate ok, but back then crisco in the can was in every kitchen and we ate plenty of it in our baked goods...so I'm sure my toxin levels had always been pretty bad. I got sick alot back then!!

I did a mix of diet and oral suppliments...I can't remember the name of the product I used, but it was a 'health food store' best selling brand of oral chelator designed to remove mercury, esp after amalgam removals. I also did a 'low carb' diet, as it was burning fat like crazy, and well, that alone will pull toxins out of the body. Then I took several fresh and instant green drinks in the morning, ate salads for lunch, and a hot meal with a protein and more vegetables for dinner and slowly (like after 3 months) transitioned to a diet cloeser to what you would see in NT, where I allowed myself some soaked nuts and grains again. I did a Master Cleanse (the lemonaid fast) and then did a liver and a kidney flush (oil and juice, salt water flushes)....

I never looked so good...maybe that's another reason for getting pregnant!!

I actually got 'slimmer' after both my subsequent pregnancies, than before I had gotten pregnant!! I'm hoping after this third and almost 100% sure final one, I'll be able to do the same!

I do NT and some raw while breastfeeding, and eat to satisfaction, and I seem to loose weight like mad, but have TONS of milk and energy...so it works for me...

Once I wean this last one in a few years, I'll probably do another series of liver flushes (until it looks all clear, no green or sandy stuff), a kidney cleanse, another bowel cleanse and then a Master Cleanse 10 day fast and body herbal wraps to 'tighten' things up and get super energized again...

Thanks for that bit of research. I've been swamped around here lately...and I love info on Kombucha and cleansing your body in a more natural way!

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Once I wean this last one in a few years, I'll probably do another series of liver flushes (until it looks all clear, no green or sandy stuff), a kidney cleanse, another bowel cleanse and then a Master Cleanse 10 day fast and body herbal wraps to 'tighten' things up and get super energized again...



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Yeah!! So Kombucha just does the good stuff (removes what floating toxins you already have in you) and doesn't pull more to circulate in your body. That's really great to know!! So I'd definitely feel safe drinking it while pregnant and/or breastfeeding!
Well, I would not say that for people in general. If you got most of the mercury out years ago you'd be pretty safe, but remember that a fetus will soak up mercury like a sponge at about 6 times the rate that an adult body would. www.iaomt.com (the International Academy of Oral Medicine and Toxicology) has more info on this. While kombucha does not chelate, it does "seem to" release cellular toxins from what I've read. These were previously not "free flowing" in your plasma or bloodstream. They were contained within your cell walls. It does mobilize toxins. Because I've been chelating with some heavy duty stuff (DMSA and ALA) I know what my symptoms of mercury toxicity are. They were gone for 2 months before I took the KT. This is because I had chelated long enough to decrease my plasma mercury levels. It still concerns me that taking the KT brought all these back suddenly because that means that my extracellular mercury levels had suddenly gone back up. This was lessened by drinking a gallon of water a day with the KT, but it still took an extra two weeks of chelating to bring me back to the place I was before the KT. I can buy that GA binds many toxins, but I didn't see any studies that it binds mercury and my results would say that it doesn't or at least not very effectively.
IMO I would be very careful in advising anyone who is pregnant and has had or has amalgams (or any known source of mercury) to use KT. I tend to be very cautious because I know a woman who had 10 fillings while pregnant and had one worked on during that time (which mobilizes more mercury). Her son never had vaccines, but has major gut damage. He tested highly toxic for mercury poisoning and she can think of no other way he could have gotten mercury other than through her amalgams.
There is a "chelating mamas" thread in dental, but it follows Cutler's protocol (intense) of low and slow for the most part.
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Heather, now for a KT brewing question :

I've been using gallon glass jars. I read in LF directions not to use these. What do you brew in? Does it really make that much of a difference? Do you really put your scoby in the tea after it has only cooled for 1 3/4 hours? My jar is still too hot to touch at that point (could be the decreased surface area of my brew due to the cylinder shape container I keep it in as opposed to a bowl). It reaches a temp of about 108 after 3 hours in the fridge and I won't put the scoby in before that point since enzymes die past 117. What do you think? Thanks.
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ohh...how could brewing in glass jars be bad? hmm, i hope that isn't the case because i have been brewing using half gallon glass jars....

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