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elleystar's Avatar elleystar 05:23 PM 11-18-2007
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About my only concern is the fact that I've been eating more fat/protein, especially when it comes to breakfast, which seems to result in ketones when she does the urine dip. I feel best when I eat that way, but it does make me wonder...
Whoa, hold the phone!
At my MW appointment 2 weeks ago, she lectured me several times that needed to be drinking more water. My labs had come back and the specific gravity of my urine (concentration basically) was the highest acceptable number...and I mean to the hundredth. Well, then, she did the urine dip and ketones showed up. She said it was because I was dehydrated. She says I need to be drinking a gallon of water a day!!! That's 128 ounces. I am managing about 100 ounces most days but can't seem to do more than that.
Plus she said I needed to quit drinking so much raw milk (usually I do a quart a day). She said milk is for babies, not grownups, and I only need a few glasses a week. I told her straight off that THAT wasn't going to happen. So she conceded that she'd only ask me to cut back milk if I was having trouble drinking enough water.
I do think I needed more water, but now I am questioning if that was the reason for the ketones.

Leilalu's Avatar Leilalu 08:24 PM 11-18-2007
See, I seriously question the norms for typical checkup results. tsk tsk. If you feel perfectly healthy, what is the problem?

I mean, is there actual proof that all those things are really bad?It reminds me of the whole cholesterol and clogged arteries debate.
newcastlemama's Avatar newcastlemama 08:37 PM 11-18-2007
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See, I seriously question the norms for typical checkup results. tsk tsk. If you feel perfectly healthy, what is the problem?

I mean, is there actual proof that all those things are really bad?It reminds me of the whole cholesterol and clogged arteries debate.

I agree. I am blessed to have a midwife that puts more weight into if you feel great than the numbers/tests. She also thinks just because you can test something it doesn not mean you should or need to.

With my urine tests, mine always come out more alkaline (than it is supposed to be--or whatever). My midwife thinks that is good though.

About the ketones--I read on the active low carber forum about some mom's who did very low carb due to diabetes or food issues and their research/experience led them to beleive it was not unsafe to be in ketosis during pregnancy.

Jen
wagamama's Avatar wagamama 02:51 AM 11-19-2007
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wagamama - interesting situation about going from nigeria to japan. are you originally from the usa? i'm in australia for a year and a half due to my husband's current job assignment and i'm finding that people do not eat really healthy, at least in the part of the country i'm in. i have found a couple all organic grocery stores which i really like. (i'm going to miss them when i go back to the usa since whole foods is monopolizing all things organic...smelling a little like wal-mart, you guys.) i have also found the local farmer's market and it's just ok. i can't get wild alaskan salmon here and i'm dying for some!!!! it's interesting to see how different food is around the world, isn't it? i'm so envious of your commonplace foods in japan!!!
I grew up in Canada, but dh is Japanese and works in international aid, hence the weird locations! It's interesting to live somewhere new and observe how people eat, try new foods ... also frustrating when you can't get "staples" like your favorite alaskan salmon or whatever! Japan has some good traditional foods, but you really have to be careful about what you're buying. For instance, sadly, a lot of the salmon and salmon roe in my local supermarket come from "farmed" sources. I always check the label -- but then get paranoid about whether I can even trust the label.

I heard that most Australian beef is grass-fed -- is it true?
suzukiaustin's Avatar suzukiaustin 11:42 AM 11-20-2007
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I heard that most Australian beef is grass-fed -- is it true?
No, this is not true. And nobody really cares where their meat/fish/etc. come from. I get the strangest looks at the market when I ask, "Is this fish farm raised?" I buy most of my meat at a local butcher who has a nice photo of the farm where the meat comes from. When I went into their shop for the first time, I asked "What do your cows eat?" The butcher repled, "What cows were meant to eat" and pointed to the photo on the wall. No one else had the same response, so I thought he was the safest bet for our time here in Australia. We also get 'biodynamically raised' meat at the organic market...I'm still confused about it all, but I know it's the least tainted of what's out there.

I've got a question for you...how often do preggo women in Japan eat fish? Do the majority of them ignore the mercury/farm raised fish/pcb warnings and eat to their heart's content? Curious.

Off to bed.
HollyWhittemore's Avatar HollyWhittemore 12:17 PM 11-20-2007
Hi All...

I am 32.5 weeks along with dd#4 and wanted to say that downing my liver in frozen pill form has really been working for me. We bought 1/4 cow from a grass-fed beef ranch out here in Texas and I immediately cut the liver up into 1/2 ounce pieces and froze them (for over 2 weeks of course). I try to swallow 1/2 ounce 4-6 times a week cut into little pills. It really seems to boost my energy. Just thought I'd share!

Holly
elleystar's Avatar elleystar 03:20 PM 11-20-2007
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Hi All...

I am 32.5 weeks along with dd#4 and wanted to say that downing my liver in frozen pill form has really been working for me. We bought 1/4 cow from a grass-fed beef ranch out here in Texas and I immediately cut the liver up into 1/2 ounce pieces and froze them (for over 2 weeks of course). I try to swallow 1/2 ounce 4-6 times a week cut into little pills. It really seems to boost my energy. Just thought I'd share!

Holly
Thank you! I still can't seem to stomach even thinking about cooking it, and I've been procrastinating on cutting it into pills. Well I've got a day off today and I resolve to do it!
pampered_mom's Avatar pampered_mom 06:00 PM 11-20-2007
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I do think I needed more water, but now I am questioning if that was the reason for the ketones.
I actually asked about ketones over on the birth professional subforum and that was one of the options given.

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See, I seriously question the norms for typical checkup results. tsk tsk. If you feel perfectly healthy, what is the problem?

I mean, is there actual proof that all those things are really bad?It reminds me of the whole cholesterol and clogged arteries debate.
I've often wondered this myself. I personally do not agree that routine urine testing is helpful, especially with a high rate of false positives/negatives. It's one of those compromises I've made. Luckily for me my mw has not made a big deal of things. It usually just sends me off to research some more on my own!

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About the ketones--I read on the active low carber forum about some mom's who did very low carb due to diabetes or food issues and their research/experience led them to beleive it was not unsafe to be in ketosis during pregnancy.
I've actually wondered about this myself, especially since most of the hullabaloo about ketones comes from the diabetic condition ketoacidosis. Two very different things from my understanding. I've had a hard time coming up with research that shows that ketones cause harm in non-diabetic pregnant women. Again...the whole assumption that just because things are bad for a small percentage of people it means that it's bad for the population at large.

I've decided against worrying about it at this point, but it is very frustrating that clear answers are hard to come by.
Thystle's Avatar Thystle 11:11 PM 11-20-2007
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Thystle's Avatar Thystle 11:13 PM 11-20-2007
Psst... I am on several of those lc boards... and I have two lc pg's/babies and was in ketosis at least half the time.

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...
Thystle's Avatar Thystle 11:13 PM 11-20-2007
I also ate sushi. And feta cheese. And oysters.


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pampered_mom's Avatar pampered_mom 12:15 PM 11-21-2007
Thystle!
wagamama's Avatar wagamama 05:19 AM 11-24-2007
[QUOTE=suzukiaustin;9784621]I've got a question for you...how often do preggo women in Japan eat fish? Do the majority of them ignore the mercury/farm raised fish/pcb warnings and eat to their heart's content? Curious. [QUOTE]

As far as I can see, there seems to be no public awareness of the mercury issue at all in Japan. Pregnant women are not warned at all about eating any type of fish, and I have heard no warnings about feeding children either. My two-year-old DS is attending a half-day preschool at the moment. He eats lunch there, and fish or seafood is on the menu 3-4 days a week. I've never seen tuna, but they do serve mackerel, which can be very high in mercury (depending on the exact species). I try to avoiding giving him fish at home, because he gets so much at school, but FIL loves to cook, and will sometimes prepare fish without asking me.

On the other hand, the quality of meat here, from a TF perspective, is really bad. There's little pasture land, so most animals are kept in small pens and fed food pellets (or whatever). And there's a dioxin problem here, which affects all meat and dairy foods ... So, I almost prefer having DS eat low-contaminant, wild fish and seafood ... Supplemented with pastured eggs (at $1 each), raw milk shipped in from the least-dioxin-polluted northern province, beans, natto and occasionally tofu. :

I have mused over this issue a lot, and have concluded that the reason there is no awareness of mercury here in Japan is that eating fish is such a deep part of the culture here. To inform people that fish contains contaminants would be like killing a part of Japanese culture. I truly believe that people do not want to know.

The contamination of our planet and food supply is so depressing to me. I think these problems can become more apparent when you have to live somewhere new, and have to go "hunting and gathering" for decent, uncontaminated food. It makes me sad that I am bringing a new baby into such a contaminated world. Sigh, sorry everyone for this long post, but suzukiaustin asked .

Baby is due in three weeks, BTW!
pampered_mom's Avatar pampered_mom 05:36 PM 11-25-2007
I was thinking that it might be helpful if we had a list of mamas who usually read this thread and their EDDs. What do you think? Can we have it in the first post of the thread?
celestialdreamer's Avatar celestialdreamer 07:42 PM 11-28-2007
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I was thinking that it might be helpful if we had a list of mamas who usually read this thread and their EDDs. What do you think? Can we have it in the first post of the thread?
That sounds like a good idea! We can do that in the December thread maybe?
pampered_mom's Avatar pampered_mom 08:10 PM 11-28-2007
Sounds good to me! :0)
steph117's Avatar steph117 03:16 PM 11-29-2007
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I was thinking that it might be helpful if we had a list of mamas who usually read this thread and their EDDs. What do you think? Can we have it in the first post of the thread?
I was thinking about that too!

Wagamama - GOOD LUCK! Hope you're feeling great - keep us all posted.

I found the bit about fish/Japan very interesting..."I have mused over this issue a lot, and have concluded that the reason there is no awareness of mercury here in Japan is that eating fish is such a deep part of the culture here. To inform people that fish contains contaminants would be like killing a part of Japanese culture. I truly believe that people do not want to know." The "I truly believe that people do not want to know" thing - that's how I feel that most people, everywhere, feel about changing their diets. "DON'T TELL ME! DON'T TELL ME!" Though granted, it's much more serious in a place like Japan, where food IS a lifestyle. (Well, I guess there is a food lifestyle here...SAD!)
wagamama's Avatar wagamama 01:39 AM 11-30-2007
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The "I truly believe that people do not want to know" thing - that's how I feel that most people, everywhere, feel about changing their diets. "DON'T TELL ME! DON'T TELL ME!" Though granted, it's much more serious in a place like Japan, where food IS a lifestyle. (Well, I guess there is a food lifestyle here...SAD!)
Yes ... we are emotionally attached to our food cultures -- even the SAD ones! I find that, in particular, the older generation (my parents' age) is quite hostile to organics and that type of thing. It's the "I've eaten this my whole life and I'm fine" attitude.

OK, off my soapbox. Time to go take my Dr. Ron's liver pills!
steph117's Avatar steph117 01:47 PM 11-30-2007
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Yes ... we are emotionally attached to our food cultures -- even the SAD ones! I find that, in particular, the older generation (my parents' age) is quite hostile to organics and that type of thing. It's the "I've eaten this my whole life and I'm fine" attitude.
Yes! It's been tricky "converting" my parents to traditional foods, because even though their childhoods were spent eating them (schmaltz, gribenes, etc), their adult lives were spent listening to the establishment & believing that their childhood diets were bad. I love knowing that my grandparents foisted CLO on my parents...that makes me feel good about taking it; it's a traditional food for me I guess! I just gave my parents a bottle, which they reacted to hilariously, like, "UGGGH! NO! NOT THAT STUFF AGAIN!"

& liver pills... I think I'll go buy liver pills, actually. I'll start with that.

Hey all - apologies if we've discussed this already but, you know, pregnancy brain - how many of you take butter oil with your CLO? (I don't - I just eat lots of spring/fall raw butter...but considering getting some now.)

Totally separate note, I just got an email from a really well-intentioned friend who, out of concern, sent a mainstream website reference about how pregnant women shouldn't take CLO because of dangerous levels of retinol. She's sweet to think of me... I'm sending back WAP links about CLO! But I don't think she'll be that interested. I remember going out to dinner with her/her hubby when she was pregnant, to an Indian restaurant - & when she ordered a mango lassi her husband freaked out, "Maybe you shouldn't get that...what if it's unpasteurized?" I had to assure him that it would be illegal for the restaurant to serve it, and not to worry, though I was thinking, "It'd be much better if it WERE raw, but I won't say that..." Something tells me a traditional foods diet wouldn't be so good in that household. I think her husband would completely flip if she showed him the WAP pregnancy diet guidelines! They're planning to TTC soon & I'd love to share the guidelines with her but I know it would not go over well.
southernmommie's Avatar southernmommie 06:00 PM 11-30-2007
Where do you find the pregnancy diet guidelines for WAP?
steph117's Avatar steph117 06:54 PM 11-30-2007
Here!
suzukiaustin's Avatar suzukiaustin 11:21 AM 12-01-2007
wagamama - wow, very interesting situation regarding the fish/meat in japan! i know how disheartening it is to be surrounded by people who prefer to turn a blind eye rather than work for change. it really depresses me as well. my husband's grandmother (and mother) used to send me articles about how organic food really isn't "organic" and is just a waste a money (what's with that generation?!). we exchanged some interesting e-mails back and forth, where i eventually told them that the execs at wal-mart were bribing government officials to make the definition of "organic" more lenient so they can sell "organic" produce at a cheap price and make more money (and abuse migrant workers and women), oh and avoid being fined for selling non organic produce as organic produce (true)...and that's why i shop at the farmer's market and at the local farm and plan to start my own garden. of course, not all of this is truth, per se (no proof about wal-mart, but i have my suspicions about big companies lobbying for a change in the definition of organic), but it did get them to leave me alone. they love wal-mart.

anyway, off my soapbox.

good luck with the upcoming delivery and let us know if the liver pills help with stamina during labor! where are you delivering - japan or nigeria?
southernmommie's Avatar southernmommie 06:07 PM 12-01-2007
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thank you so much!
pampered_mom's Avatar pampered_mom 07:36 PM 12-03-2007
Here's a link to the new thread!
phew2305's Avatar phew2305 06:06 PM 02-11-2008
Hi- I found this thread looking for ketone information- the high count happened to me for the second time last MW appointment. She kept asking if I'm eating enough, and I sure am eating plenty I think! I'm pretty hard core WAPF so I'm weirded out by the ketones info (all these sites saying they are toxic to fetuses, they cause mental retardation, etc. but I'm not diabetic of course, like you said, maybe it's not bad for everyone), it's not that I don't have carbs, and actually a fair amount (had been thinking I should limit them somewhat since it's freezing here in MN and I don't get out too much at the moment as far as working out) of them. I have an appointment with Dr. Cowan on Tuesday since I emailed him and asked about the ketones, I am VERY curious to hear what he has to say. The posts here were encouraging, though- glad to hear not everyone freaks out about such things! I have been pretty calm, although I have my moments (WHAT, I have to wait FOUR days for an appointment, what if it's hurting the baby!! okay, okay, breathe...stress is bad for the baby...... ) Anyways, nice to hear from more people it might not be bad at all...besides, I think to myself, well, what would I change?? Okay, done venting now....
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