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We just got back from the dentist and ds got lots of compliments!

Almost 2 years ago I had a pediatric dentist tell me that ds had 5 cavities! Two teeth that are side by side near the front were affected and could be seen, but they told me that there were 3 more cavities in the back "that you can't see" and they didn't do X-rays of the back, so how, exactly were THEY seeing them?? I had a bad feeling and took ds to my dentist who agreed to check him out even though he doesn't see children. After full X-rays, only the front two cavities were real. My dentist, while extremely nice and great at what I'd call reactionary dentistry, wasn't supportive of trying to use diet, no fluoride and no glycerin to heal his teeth and prevent more problems.

I read a lot on here and decided to try to heal his teeth. We switched to Tooth Soap (and later added the awesome Tooth Swish product) to avoid all glycerin so his teeth could re-mineralize and I tried to add more bone broth, keep up his vegetable and fruit intake and continue CLO. He's not a huge fan of soup so I just got in as much bone broth as I could and worried that it wasn't enough. I'm also not consistent with the CLO. I bought BO, but the dss didn't like it and getting it in was a constant battle that I wasn't ready for...

I've kind-of been dreading going, but I found a holistic-minded DDS and decided to take ds. Exam and X-rays today show NO CAVITIES!!

There is, of course, evidence of past decay, but there is NO active decay at all. I believe the quote was, "I can see where he obviously has some damage from past decay, but there isn't ANY active decay anywhere. And when I look at his teeth I see very good mineralization...healthier than any baby teeth I've ever seen. Whatever you're doing is working so keep up the good work!"

I feel like jumping, dancing, shouting! I was a little uncomfortable (and dh, though supportive, was more uncomfortable) trying to "heal" cavities because it's against everything we're taught, but I'm so glad we relied on our TF diet, the WAPF principles and the advice I got on here...THANKS!!!

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That is just friggen AWESOME! This is really nice for me to hear since we are in this boat right now!!! I'm SO happy for you - ECC are so stressful!!! :
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AWESOME news! Great job, Mama! Isn't it empowering when we take control of our own [family's] health?! Good for you!
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wow! that's awesome!! :

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that's great! could you tell me where to get the tooth soap?

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Thanks, everyone! I am still glowing. I'll never do everything right, that's impossible, but hitting a home run every once in a while feels great! I am SO GLAD that I didn't let that first office work on his mouth!!!


Tooth Soap

My boys like the citrus liquid and I like the peppermint liquid. We tried one of the ones with raw honey, but dss didn't like the fruity flavors.

We all like the lemon lime swish...it's mostly Himalayan sea salt, baking soda, and essential oils (for flavor, I think) that helps to re-mineralize teeth and make a more alkaline ph in the mouth. We are all using it (2 adults and two children) and it's lasting a long time!

They have sales periodically, esp. coupons sent to past customers.
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That is great to read! :

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I love reading stories of success with TF. Way to go!

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I am so glad you posted this. I have some caries right now that I am trying to heal and not having much luck with. I'm going to try some tooth soap and see if that will do it. I need to read more about this!
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Can I find tooth soap at natural food stores? Or just online? I've just discovered some serious tooth decay in my 17 month old.
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this is genius! i've been healing myself for years but for some reason it never occurred to me to see if you could heal cavities. so glad i found this! and : for you and DS!
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Can I find tooth soap at natural food stores? Or just online? I've just discovered some serious tooth decay in my 17 month old.
I'm pretty sure it's only on-line. It's expensive, but it lasts a while and the difference for us is worth it.

The key is no glycerin b/c it coats your teeth. I'm sure this is in all toothpaste with the theory that you don't want food to stick, but teeth are in constant flux with the minerals in your mouth and minerals can't be deposited if your teeth are coated in glycerin.

You can use it on a small child. My kids typically swallow it. I get a much more "soapy" taste if I let it hit the back of my tongue, but they don't seem to mind and they don't show any signs of stomach upset.

(we also use a sonicare toothbrush on everyone...more "bang for the buck" for the amount of time we are in the boys' mouths)
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Thanks! I know my mom tried it and couldn't take the taste. I'll see if she has any of hers left before I go out and buy. On their web site they indicated that there are individuals and wholesalers who sell it, but there is no way of looking up on the website WHO those individuals are.

For awhile I used plain baking soda, but then I heard that it was too abrasive, plus the kids couldn't take the taste. Has any one used plain xilitol?
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For awhile I used plain baking soda, but then I heard that it was too abrasive, plus the kids couldn't take the taste. Has any one used plain xilitol?
I've used xilitol mixed with baking soda and peppermint oil. If the the xilitol to baking soda ratio get too high though (making the baking soda taste go away) then it doesn't like it cleans quite as well, but still just as good as most tooth pastes.

Should I not use baking soda like that though? Am I ruining my enamel?
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Hey Whitney it's Stephanie (Cash's mom)! I was halfway through your post thinking 'This story sounds really familiar...' before I realized it was you . That is *SO* awesome about the visit to the dentist- could you PM or email the contact info for that dentist so I can relay it to my SIL? I'm sure she will be elated to hear that you could halt the tooth decay with diet because that is exactly what she is trying to do now with her DD. :
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Should I not use baking soda like that though? Am I ruining my enamel?
I just asked my dentist this very question! I brush with baking soda because I am allergic to corn, and haven't been able to find any toothpaste that is free of corn derivatives. My dentist said baking soda is an EXCELLENT alternative to toothpaste, it is not too abrasive and will not ruin enamel.

I also brush with Xylitol (from birch, not corn) granules. I alternate between the baking soda and the Xylitol. Or sometimes I brush twice, first with the baking soda, then a second time with Xylitol. I tried mixing them but didn't really like the taste.
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Yikes, I just read on the tooth soap site that xilitol has nickel in it!!!!! Yuck.

So is the honey really okay to put on our teeth? I've been so careful to brush my teeth after my before bedtime honey dose.

So, can we just make this stuff ourselves then?
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YAY! Good job!
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okay, so I've been reading and all natural soap contains a natural amount of glycerin in it. There is a special process for removing the glycerin and all... Do you think the Tooth Soap has been through this process or do they just not worry about that natural amount and not add any additional glycerin? The ingredient list says saponified coconut, palm and olive oil, which would all normally contain a natural amount of glycerin. The website doesn't mention them removing glycerine from the natural soap, just not adding it in. I'm only wondering all this, becasue if it's not being removed, it would be the easiest thing in the world to make at home, saving a bundle.

Oh, and I found this on etsy.
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Toothsoap does not have added glycerine, but there is a natural amount. They don't remove it.

Re: xylitol containing nickel, I'm curious about that because xylitol is naturally occurring in lots of foods, like strawberries.

I've heard that honey is good for teeth but I don't remember where I read/heard that. Maybe on the tooth soap site (I use tooth soap)
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Re: xylitol containing nickel, I'm curious about that because xylitol is naturally occurring in lots of foods, like strawberries.
It was in the context of talking about the chemical process of creating xylitol crystals. I got the impression it was something added for processing, not something inherent in xylitol.
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It was in the context of talking about the chemical process of creating xylitol crystals. I got the impression it was something added for processing, not something inherent in xylitol.
Ah, gotcha.
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Oooooh, has anyone tried making thier own tooth soap with the coconut oil etc? I would LOVE to learn how to do that! Those tooth chips sound really awesome too! Lots to look at I guess!
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I just tried making my own tooth soap. I used some grated up (very finely grated, more like coarse powder) homemade beef tallow soap with water, raw honey and peppermint oil. I added enough peppermint oil and honey that I didn't taste the soap at all. It was much nicer to use than my baking soda blend. My teeth feel amazingly smooth. I just dipped my toothbrush into the bowl I mixed it in and brushed, then rinsed several times.
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I'm making some soap tonight! After reading this thread I started researching natural dental care and checked out the toothsoap website. I couldn't find any soap without glycerin in it, so I decided to make some.
The recipe I'm using:
2T coconut oil
3T baking soda
10 Drops peppermint oil (I'm using 1/2 peppermint and 1/2 vanilla for less strenth)
a small dallop of honey

To this recipe I'm also adding 4 crushed up calcium carbonate pills, a total of 2,000 mg. I looked around and a lot of recipes had that in them so I'm borrowing that and hoping it helps.

I'm also making some mouthwash!
The recipe:
1/4C rum or vodka
1/2C distilled water
1/4t honey
1/4t ground cinnamon
1/2t ground cloves

I'll let everyone know how they turn out!
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I love our liquid tooth soap. Much much better than the shreds, IMO. I am encouraged to hear your story, Feb2003. I have very sensitive teeth, and have 4 (filled) cavities that I would like to heal. Ideally, I would have the fillings removed, I think, but can't afford to see a dentist right now. So, I have been trying to have a good diet and use the tooth soap. I also started using the tooth swish a couple of weeks ago, and my sensitivity seems to have decreased. Thank you for sharing your story.
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I hope you all enjoy the soap!

I love hearing about the home mixes! Appeals to my scientist heart.

We haven't used chips, but I really like the liquid. It was a hard sell for dh and he was buying a separate Xylitol based paste toothpaste (spry brand) for a while, but I'm not sure if it's b/c he ran out and he's lazy, or what, but for a while now I've seen him using the tooth soap and I'm not saying a word I think avoiding the back of your tongue is key to the soapiness and while I almost gagged the first time or two (I used too much and the bubbles were everywhere ), now I use it without any trouble!

I heard that baking soda can hurt your gums so to try to not scrub your gums if you've got anything abrasive on there. We do a baking soda scrub every once in a while, but mostly the tooth soap makes my teeth feel very clean...not in a striped, artificial way, but smooth and natural.

My teeth seem to take stain easier without the glycerin (I don't eat/drink many staining foods, but I had some staining behind the bottom teeth), but it cleaned off easily at the dentist and then wasn't an issue once I replaced my sonicare head

We saw Dr. Henry Guy in Grand Prairie and we were very happy. He's not actually pediatric, but did see my 5 yo and they were very patient with his constant questions. His card says "health centered dentistry" and "a complementary blend of scientific and alternative therapies" and I love his holistic approach.

PS: he had these at his office - lollipops that have herbs in them to actually fight oral bacteria...interesting
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What about using Dr. Bronner's Soap?
The ingredients are: water, saponified organic coconut oil & Organic olive Oils (with retained glycerin), Organic hemp oil, organic jajoba oil, organic peppermint oil, mentha arvensis extract, citric acid, vitamin E.
Anything bad in there for teeth? Would this be anything like the tooth soap you are buying? Maybe I could add someting to this? Just curious because this soap is pretty cheap! I like that!
Also, I just got my first filling ever, 2 days ago. The cavity was from a spot on my molar where my tooth had been deformed because of a high fever I had at 2 years old. I have one more spot like it that the dentist would like to fill, but if tooth soap can heal it, I am all for it! Point me in the right direction!
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but if tooth soap can heal it, I am all for it!
honestly, I wouldn't say that tooth soap can "heal" anything, but I think that because we use it and it doesn't contain glycerin, we were able to stop the decay on ds' teeth with diet. Plus we aim to keep his mouth more alkaline than the bacteria like.

He still has an area that appears damaged so I'm not sure if that part will fill in with smooth enamel or not...only time will tell (of course he might loose the teeth before that happens!)

I *think* you could use any soap that doesn't have glycerin (or anything else that would be bad to ingest)...then make sure you rinse at least twice to get all the soap to rinse clean and have your teeth ready for the minerals in your spit to be deposited

good luck healing!
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Huh. Never heard of this before. What does the soap do, then, that brushing wiht a dry brush or with water wouldn't? What is the purpose of toothpaste anyway? Can you get off plaque with only the brush, or do you need an abrasive agent of some kind?

Scratching my head here. But willing to give it a try!
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