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We are up to 4 mod volunteers - more than enough I am sure. I would like more tha a thread because there are so many issues (like toddlers, pregnancy, school lunches, how to find vegan shampoo, etc and one thread couldn't handle it all. I think a sub-forum would be great and not too hard on the Mothering folks. It could be in Goo Eatin still but have its own space within it? Does that sound good to everyone?

Anyone know how to alert Cynthia to this thread by posting a link for her?

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Thats exactly my thoughts.

Yeah I will definately give Cynthia this link.

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Done twice.. one by vegiemom and one by me.... now we wait... lol...






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I was specifically stating about veganism in that post... and since there are vegans and vegetarians who will be visiting this forum i would hope both would be welcome... and being able to discuss raising vegan children with vegan parents who do not eat or use animal products and have had issues arise due to this... like say shopping for a 100% vegan shampoo etc..

if that paragraph makes any sense...

i wasnt stating that it should be an only vegan forum but an all encompassing vegetarian forum including strict vegetarians, vegetarians etc... in experience when someone has asked for a vegan recipe some ppl were not aware that they did not include dairy products...

i wasnt trying to rule out any conversation including dairy products at all. Since i am aware there are different levels of vegetarianism...
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My dd and I are vegetarians. glad to connect
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DD and I are vegetarian, used to be vegan. Expecting another in August. However I have been contemplating giving dd meat. I have tons of questions on nutrition. Eg. what is a veg. alternative to cod liver oil. Cod liver oil has EFA's, high amounts of Vit. A and Vit. D.

Also the weston price website mentioned that some grains inhibit the absorption of minerals. Don't have time to look it up right now. DD woke up fro her nap.

DD has symptoms of mineral deficiencies. I would like a forum to discuss alternatives.
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And I'm going to vegan cooking school now
That sounds so great. I love to cook & have always wanted to go further with it (i.e., take classes). Now that I've become a veggie, though, I notice that it is hard (read impossible) to locate any.

I dabble in the vegan recipies, but am just not ready to go there yet, maybe never, but I am very interested in it nonetheless. I would of course want a new forum to be vegetarian/vegan.




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DD and I are vegetarian, used to be vegan. Expecting another in August. However I have been contemplating giving dd meat. I have tons of questions on nutrition. Eg. what is a veg. alternative to cod liver oil. Cod liver oil has EFA's, high amounts of Vit. A and Vit. D.

Also the weston price website mentioned that some grains inhibit the absorption of minerals. Don't have time to look it up right now. DD woke up fro her nap.

DD has symptoms of mineral deficiencies. I would like a forum to discuss alternatives.
Hi there vegmom! With the state of fish these days it's important to find an alternative regardless of ones vegetarian ways! Plus, getting the omegas from fish is more difficult then getting it from, lets say, flax seed oil or meal. You can find flax seed oil or meal at your local health food store. When cooked it loses it's values but sprinkle the meal over cereal. Or do what I do, I give it to my husband in the oil form in smoothies and my 1 yr old drinks a shot of it every day!
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Another vegetarian checking in here! I've been veggie for 12 years now, and we are raising our children vegetarian as well. DH *does* eat meat, but doesn't bring it into the house - he usually satisfies his "meat cravings" (as he calls it) during work lunches. It's nice to be in a community with so many other like-minded people!

Edited to add: we are ovo/lacto vegetarians, so yes we eat eggs and dairy!
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With the state of fish these days it's important to find an alternative regardless of ones vegetarian ways! Plus, getting the omegas from fish is more difficult then getting it from, lets say, flax seed oil or meal.
I have been eating flax almost since dd's conception and feeding dd flax oil/meal and hemp seeds/oil since she has been on solids. My concern was about the vitamins in cod liver oil, esp. the vit. D.

DD has problems with her teeth (demineralization and black spots). We eat very healthy things and no junk and very little sugar/honey/maple syrup. But she still ended up with problems.

Here is the quote from Weston Prices website about minerals not being absorbed through grains. It is under the title of MEET MRS. MELLANBY.

http://www.westonaprice.org/nutritio...dliveroil.html

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In his research into rickets in dogs, he discovered the mineral-blocking effect of phytic acid in grains and legumes. Dr. Mellanby demonstrated that diets containing high levels of cereals, especially oatmeal, and lacking vitamin D, are the most effective producers of rickets.
DD eats oatmeal every single morning. She hates going outside in the winter time since there are crazy arctic winds here in rural Ontario. No matter how much I bundle her up she still cries.

I truly believe that the teeth are windows to the bones. So if she has teeth problems, she may have bone problems.

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One concern about taking cod liver oil is the presence of contaminants—heavy metals (such as mercury, cadmium and lead), PCBs and so forth. Fortunately, consumers need not worry when it comes to cod liver oil. All cod liver oils in the US must be tested according to protocols of the Association of Analytical Communities (AOAC) and approved free of detectable levels of 32 contaminants before they can be imported into this country. Furthermore, mercury is water soluble. It may be present in the flesh of fish, but it is not present in the oil.
I have been vegetarian for 11yrs and vegan for about 3.5 (not anymore). I am totally against animal abuse and cruelty and would have never thought that I would consider eating meat or fish. However, I strongly believe food to be medicine. If dd was not sick than we would still be a happy veg family. I am looking into alternatives and the alternatives do include animal meats and oils.
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Hi Vegmom,

I appreciate your concern from your daughter. However, Weston Price is not where I would go for sound nutritional information. Many of the articles cite sources that turn out to be other articles they've written, and there is a STRONG connection between them and the meat/dairy industry - they are extremely anti soy and pro dairy and meat. If you're going to look online, you should really seek peer-reviewed journal articles from the medical field.

If you are really concerned about your daughter, I would take her to a nutritionist who knows about vegetarian nutrition/sources, etc. and can give you a good plan to helping your daughter get more healthy.

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Hi another veggie checking in!!! I was just thinking yesterday that it would be great to have a veggie recipe swap.....etc.

I'm a lacto-ovo vegetarian, have been off and on since I was 17 - ( I tried soooo many different diets for my allergies, and have sometimes eaten meat - didn't help me!) and have been back to completely veg for several years now.
Hubby is and "occasional" meat eater.... usually when he's out with business stuff. but we never cook meat at home (unless my family is visiting and they cook it themselves.

I'd love to have a forum to discuss the issues of being pg and eating vegetarian, and raising vege kids.

Hope we get a forum!

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dd and i are vegetarians, but dh eats some meat. :
i have been veg since 1991 I think. :LOL

I definetly think we need a space to call our own.

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DS and I are veg, Dh eats some meat. :

A veg space would be great!
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My Dh and I are vegan (almost 4 years) and were both veggie for years before that. We will have our first child (hopefully!) within a few years and will certainly have a vegan pregnancy, breast-feeding and later food-eating li'l Goose or Gander. I was raised 99% vegan so I'm well aware of the health issues but I'll make sure that my children are more aware of the animals-are-our-friends issue than i was.

In the meantime, i'm a special education teacher working with children with autism, getting my MA in Special Education (moderate/severe disabilities) here in CA.

I joined to learn more about AP and natural parenting and will appreciate the support (on regular parenting issues as well as vegetarian issues) once we start our extended family.

Cheerio!
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I mainly lurk but I'll step out into this thread! My family is vegetarian; I've been veggie for about 5 years and everyone else for 2. I am transitioning to veganism (am off all obvious dairy & eggs right now and am working on eliminating the hidden stuff). I would love it if there were a separate veggie board on Mothering!

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I have been vegetarian for 16 years, my husband about 14 and the children since they were born. I am moving to a more vegan diet; experimenting with recipes and my whole family are my guinea pigs! I think they're used to it though. A board would be great. A good place for cookbook recommendations too. Currently, Country Life Vegetarian Cookbook (vegan), is getting the greatest use now. The recipes are so fun to try; it's amazing what you can do with food! I got it just before Christmas and have yet to try a recipe I don't like in it! We must have matching tastebuds! :LOL Isn't it funny how you can try a recipe someone has written or raved about and you think to yourself, "They liked THIS?!"

BTW, the authors of CL are Seventh Day Adventist Christians (most of whom practice a vegetarian diet) which is why I couldn't find the book in my local library when I'd first heard of it a few years ago. They have a bulk ordering catalog which also includes their books; that's where I got my book. Other 7th Day churches in local areas may carry it if they have a book store. Let me know if anyone wants the catalog contact info.
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http://www.mercola.com/2002/feb/13/vegetarian3.htm

I am ***********so********** mad

Where did he get his info from??????

How can he, in good conscience, print blanket-statements such as this one:

"When weaned, children of vegetarian parents receive a diet where their small stomachs are filled with relatively nutrient-poor foods."

Anyone, from a meat-eater to a vegan or vegetarian, with an unbalanced diet or a diet with certain deficiences will eventually show symptoms or get sick. I just hate it when people (inclucing this "doctor") claim that a vegetarian diet was / is responsible for (their) ill health.

His whole document is riddled with sweeping statements and questionable assumptions. I wish people wouldn't print crap like this.

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Ok this guy needs a life... i read all the pages and the last page is utterly retarded.... ppl like this feed the bad info ppl use in an argument against me to prove being vegan is gonna hurt my child...

they cant say she is stunted shes extremely tall...and has been thin even when we were omni.... so to them...


i know how u feel this article made me wanna

all i got to say is

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I can't believe the nerve of this guy!!!! I haven't even read 3 paragraphs and I'm steaming!!!! He seems like a serious idiot. I'ts funny how he claims that vegetarians are war mongers, however, our army is fed a meat based diet???

Ugh, dumb people frustrate me.

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This guy is such an idiot! While I would love to tear every bit of his article apart I will just look at this little bit:

"Dr. Sir Robert McCarrison (35) , working in India, similarly compared the northern tribes - Pathans, Sikhs and Hunzas - who ate meat and fresh vegetables, had fine physiques and were healthy and long-lived with the Plains peoples - Madrassis, Bengalis and Kanarese - who ate little meat or milk, living mainly on rice and who were overweight and unhealthy."

I know it is bad to generalize, but every Bengali I know is a major meat eater. The region is known for it. And also has a higher rate of heart problems than other regions. Our good Bengali friend who lives in Delhi often cracks jokes about how Bengalis are worse off because they can't leave their meat alone. And I haven't met an Indian yet who doesn't eat milk products (yogurt, paneer, and (hello) GHEE!) And since when is Madras the plains? And it is probably not a good idea to use Indians who 'live mainly on rice' as an example because that talks about ALL of India, so one can not discriminate between groups by just saying they have rice as a staple. Duh!
This little bit of his article is severely flawed, which would lead one to believe that the his research is not really research or based on any fact whatsoever.
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"A cow produces milk for about one year. Before she can give milk, however, like any other mammal she has to have a calf. If we are not to eat those calves, what are we to do with them?"

Are you kidding me? Talking himself into killing a cow so he can drink it's mama's milk. How about not drinking the milk that wasn't intended for you in the frist place. Then you wouldn't have to deal with that little dilemma of what to do with the baby.
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I looked over most of his research, and many of the articles are over 40 years old. Plain and simple, he's a vegetarian hating idiot. Ignore him.

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That is by far the most bizarre(sp) piece of crap I have ever tried to read.
I can say honestly I only skimmed all 4 sections but this is the weirdest stuff I have ever heard. I mean 90% of the peopel I know eat meat, but they all agree that they should (and most do) eat alot of organic produce and healthy foods. That nut even was saying in one of the sections that organic foods were not good for us as we think... they have poor nutritional value and are marked way up in price.
I can understand not wanting to be a vegetarian. Most people don't want to do it, I am fine with that, but come on comparing all vegetraians with Hitler.. WACKY!:

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Heres an article i found while trying to research info for someone saying that little girls that consume soy masturbate.... yeah ok there buddy... but he also wrote an article on eating meat... i warn u this guy is retarded but i figured some of u might enjoy the laugh... this is a religious website and all their articles seem to be a little on the quacky side... ive read some of them and howled...

Eating meat article


Articles The soy alert article wouldnt let me link it directly for some reason..but if you go down to october-december 2001 its listed there... Soy Alert.



there ya go.. happy reading... and dont blow up when u read the ridiculous statments... :LOL

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Now, that's funny stuff. Actually, my husband who occasionally eats meat (like 5 times a year) just went to the ND today, and she asked him if he'd be willing to eat meat once a week for a while for his adrenal system..... (lots of other stuff too... long story) but part of it (for him) is inability to sleep, decreased libido.... just like that dorks article! Well, I told him that if he needed it, it's his body! Just cause I choose not to eat meat, that doesn't mean everyone else does.. but he promised not to ask me to cook it for him. Although I love him enough to do it... I'd rather not. Funny how all of our bodies need different things at different times. I figure if I crave it while I'm pregnant... (I mean REALLY crave it) then I'll have some.... but other than that, I really have no desire to ever eat it again. I guess if a health care provider I really respected wanted me to eat it... I'd consider it. At one point my acupuncturist wanted me to consider eating something (an organ meat I think) because I was having a really bad time with my eczema, and I told her I'd think about it.... but fortunately we were able to clear it with some herbs.... whew, dodged a bullet there!

Oh well, enough of the rambling.....

Tonight I made a delicious Risotto with zuccini & red pepers, and a big fat salad with Annie's goddess dressing yummmmmmmmmy!

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I have never craved meat while pg, and I think its actually something alot of women have aversions to! I did, however, crave eggs, which I did eat like they were going out of style. I just bought the free-range, organic, veg fed, etc. eggs. Funny, b/c the thought of eating eggs any other time makes me gag. I'm sure it was the protien I needed. Its funny how non-veg. think us veg. are SO lacking in protien, when I probably get more protien than alot of people I know! Same with my kids! I go to the pedi. for 'well visits' and she is always impressed with how healthy they are.
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when i was pg with dd i had a big meat aversion... i would hurl if i looked at it uncooked and cooked.... and i was an omni back then but had a lacto-ovo pregnancy cuz of it.... dd hasnt really ever eaten that much meat either have i so going veg was easy... it was only hard giving up cheese... but now thanks to tofutti cheese slices im good... cuz i know i can get it ... i hardly use them...

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