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I figured the vegans and vegetarians would be the go to people on this question. I'm neither vegan nor vegetarian (was vegetarian in the past), but my 1 year old has a dairy allergy. Before we realized he had it, he loved yogurt. I'd love to feed him (and me, since I'm off dairy too!) some home made from rice milk, but the jury is still out on soy (I'd make it from commercial soy yogurt otherwise). He had a bad reaction to some soy cheese I tried, but it turned out the soy cheese had dairy in it (vegans, why the heck do they do that? the only people I can think of who would be eating soy cheese are those avoiding dairy for allergies or philosophical reasons, and I can't imagine the philosophical vegans want milk contamination in their soy cheese, either!), so we aren't sure if he was reacting to the soy or the trace dairy. Anyhow, my question is, does anyone know of a non-dairy, non-soy yogurt starter, and where to get it? TIA
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No idea but you could always give your baby probiotics.
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yeah, the whole soy cheese thing irritates me too.
i did find ONE brand( forgive me, i cnnot remember the name) that really was dairy free.
can you guess what it tasted like? lol

i have yet to find a vegan yogurt starter.
i did make yogurt with yogourmet starter though, and its in dried milk, however my dairy allergic son didn't react to it.
of course he didn't like the yogur ti made either.
but i wonder if the culture breaks down the itsy bitsy amount of milk that the starter is held in.
he is highly allergic too, as in, if milk just touches his skin he breaks out.
but had no issue with this at all.
may be worth a shot.

i tried to make soy yogurt by using a cup of plain soy yogurt(store bought) as the starter but it didn't work real well. my yogurt was extremely runny even after 9 hours of cooking.
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Could you maybe use the soy yogurt as the starter to coconut milk yogurt -- then when you go to make more just use some of the previous batch for the new yogurt. This would eventually phase out all the soy, right? I'm thinking maybe trace amounts of soy wouldn't hurt, but I don't know. I do know you can make coconut milk kefir, so yogurt should work too.
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I second twins idea. Use the milk starter on rice milk...and then do not feed that batch to him. Use some of *that* yogurt as your next batch starter, which should be dairy-free enough to feed him.
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Progurt hypoallergenic starter...no dairy, soy, gluten etc. It works well, but I find when I make my coconut yogurt I have to double the recommended amount.

http://www.giprohealth.com/starter.html
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Thanks for all the help! I'm not sure if I'm going to try the filtered out dairy system of the progurt, but now I have some good ideas
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Coconut yogurt! Yummy! Twins or firefaery, do you think you could post how to make it? I'd really like to try this.
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Two cans of coconut oil, heated with 2 T. agar agar, 2 T. of honey or agave nectar. Reduce heat to 110 degrees and remove a half cup. Stir in starter and add back to batch (taking care to make sure it is not higher than 110) Add a t. or so of vanilla extract. Incubate at 105 ish for 8-10 hours.

It is important to add the sweetener to allow the bacteria to feed-otherwise it won't ferment.
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Thank you!
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Could you maybe use the soy yogurt as the starter to coconut milk yogurt -- then when you go to make more just use some of the previous batch for the new yogurt. This would eventually phase out all the soy, right?
The only problem with this is that the further you go down the line generation wise with your yogurt starter the less potent it becomes (and the more undesireables that reside in it). Eventually you would have to start over again w/another starter.

I haven't ever tried firefaery's starter, but I think that's a much better bet.
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He had a bad reaction to some soy cheese I tried, but it turned out the soy cheese had dairy in it (vegans, why the heck do they do that? the only people I can think of who would be eating soy cheese are those avoiding dairy for allergies or philosophical reasons, and I can't imagine the philosophical vegans want milk contamination in their soy cheese, either!),
supposedly it's for those who are lactose intolerant - so they leave out the lactose but leave in the casein or whatever other crap. annoying, isn't it?

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The only problem with this is that the further you go down the line generation wise with your yogurt starter the less potent it becomes (and the more undesireables that reside in it). Eventually you would have to start over again w/another starter.

I haven't ever tried firefaery's starter, but I think that's a much better bet.
Are you sure about this? I don't get how this would happen unless you aren't culturing for long enough.
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IT's what I've always read too, even if you culture for 24 hours you still have to start over every couple of batches.
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Are you sure about this?
In all my readings on yogurt it's all I've ever seen. From what I understand even commercial yogurt makers start with a first generation starter every time for this very reason. It seems to be independent of culturing length. The most I've ever seen you can reuse your own culture is 4-6 batches.
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When I use to make my own dairy based yogurt I could go a good 10-12 times but yeah, not forever. Eventually I would have to buy a container of yogurt to use.

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that was my experience with dairy yogurt making, as well. I could go 10 times or so.
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