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#1 of 10 Old 08-08-2007, 04:26 PM - Thread Starter
 
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Someone posted this on another message board I read. Claimed menstruation is a "sign of toxicity" and all you have to do is become a raw vegan and you will stop having periods, while being in perfect health.

EVERYTHING I have ever read says that not having a normal period is a sign of hormonal imbalance or b-12 deficiency, or other health problem.

But this person kept insisting that there's all these raw vegans out there without periods and "in perfect health" with no deficiencies, etc.

Is this a common thing, or was she really just talking a bunch of : like it sounded?

I mean, humans have been menstruating for thousands of years, long before the invention of pesticides, herbicides, petroleum, and all the other "lovely" aspects of modern life. I highly doubt the earliest women in recorded history were menstruating because their bodies were in toxic overload, KWIM?
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Lol - I have come accross this, personally I think that its going a bit far (and the person who said it to me to my face was *so* slim and picky about their raw food diet (very limited) that actually I think that they were probably anorexic :-( ) However in my high raw stages I do usually find that my periods shorten in duration, and have had reports from others that theirs lighten and/or shorten, so I do suspect that like many things it has some basis in fact, but not ness. at that extreme.
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I wouldn't think that would be healthy, either. Low body fat can cause absence of periods, but it is also associated with low bone density. I am vegan, although not raw, and my periods are quite regular.
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Still having menses over here!

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nak i think there is evidence that pre-modern women dont/didnt have periods very often but thats cause they are pg/nursing most of their fertile yrs.

would like to see some evidence or even a well thought out, informed explanation for that theory.
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if you're in REALLY poor health you won't ovulate as often because it would be difficult to sustain a pregnancy/nurse a baby. if you ovulate and don't get pregnant you have a period, right? are they saying that ovulation isn't healthy?
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nak i think there is evidence that pre-modern women dont/didnt have periods very often but thats cause they are pg/nursing most of their fertile yrs.

would like to see some evidence or even a well thought out, informed explanation for that theory.
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would like to see some evidence or even a well thought out, informed explanation for that theory.
And see, that's what most of the people who responded to the post requested.

Clear evidence or actually ANY evidence was never forthcoming. The OP posted a couple of links, and suggested interested people should read "vegan blogs" for more info. Thanks, but I'd like something a LITTLE more reputable, since anyone can start a blog.

Several pointed out that cessation of menses can actually be a sign of serious health problems, but no evidence refuting this was ever presented either, except for two links to articles on a raw vegan website, about vitamin b12.

I guess it was just someone new to raw vegan lifestyle who found an interesting article and got overly excited about it without researching its validity.

She also claimed to be charting her cycles and ovulating but not having periods herself, but has yet to provide any charts as evidence of this claim.

I was kind of hoping there would at least be some sort of rational information presented about this, but so far I've been thoroughly disappointed.

Even the most alternative and non-mainstream health information I have seen states that menstruation is normal and healthy. Now obviously heavy and painful cycles can indicate problems, but not a healthy regular menstrual cycle.

Someone brought out a very valid point: Men never menstruate. Does that mean they are LESS toxic than women because they don't menstruate?

Yeah, just what the world needs, another excuse to view a normal part of being female as something "dirty" and "toxic."

How can it be toxic when it makes such great plant food?
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I remember reading about this years ago.
there's this article but it doesn't go into detail as to why it happens but that it can happen. I think it falls along the lines that some athletes also don't get menses. It may be due to the fat intake? WHether or not they are actually ovulating? I don't know but I can theorize that perhaps woman do need some fat intake and possible other nutrients in order to ovulate and help maintain a pregnancy.
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I think I also remember reading some things along the line that there are some primates that don't menstruate? I'm not sure if that is true or not but I remember that being mentioned.

It's all interesting, i'd like to know more about why it happens also.
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I have read about this but never experienced it. Seems the amenorrhea has more to do with body mass/underweight than specifically the "raw diet.." I know many raw foodists who are not especially underweight. If you are choosing a raw diet, it's very important to watch out for those things. Being severely underweight to the point that it causes amenorrhea is not healthy, regardless of your diet.

I certainly do not believe menses are toxic.
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Athletes who go below a certain percentage of body fat do not get their periods. It is because it is unhealthy to carry a pregnancy with less body fat, so your body stops ovulating.

How that is a sign that you are NOT toxic is

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