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I was wondering if her name made it over here yet. She has published a couple of things.

Compared to self-proclaimed sleep "expert" Anna Wahlgren, Richard Ferber and even Ezzo seem like AP Hippies all of a sudden.

Ms Wahlgren is getting pretty big in Europe and it's only a matter of time until she will find her audience here.

She published a couple of books on sleep training, has a website etc. BEWARE! There a some videos that show her "work".
http://www.annawahlgren.com/index.ph...filmer-vagning

She took down another video when public outrage ensued and Doctors in Sweden are "contemplating" their actions- but somebody still got it.
Look for "trypress" and Anna Wahlgren- that was previously on her website and that is her "sleep training" style.

I thought I knew some really bad sleep advice- but that "author" really tops it all.
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I just saw a video on you tube of her "technique"...I am speechless....I can't believe people would even believe for one second that her "technique" would be okay for a baby!!!! I honestly feel sick to my stomach right now after viewing it....those poor poor babies whose parents who do what she says.
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That should be considered child abuse. My DH asked if she was trying to put the baby to sleep permanently. I don't see any doctor in the U.S. condoning this. Especially with the Back to Sleep campaign.
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can someone give a rundown? I don't want to watch any videos.
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My computer won't let us watch videos...what is her technique?

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The video on that site's not really loading for me, but I saw a bit of it. Am I right that she's trying to put the baby to sleep on its FACE?!? I couldn't bring myself to watch any more of it. Does it get worse? That poor baby.
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OMG is she running the stroller into the wall? What the heck is that all about, I wish I could understand what she was saying.

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Yikes! Is she trying to kill that kid?! Seriously disturbing.

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What's she doing? My computer wont' let me watch it and I'm not sure I could stomach it anyway.

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Basically, she has the baby (I am talking infant here...the one in the video I saw had the newbornish cry still) laying on their tummy in a carriage, and she is pushing it pretty roughly back and forth, and when the baby starts to cry and lifts its head up and archs their back, she pushs them back down and turns their face to one side...I am not talking a soft push....this is a rough push, and will go right back to pushing the carriage. Each time the baby lifts his head up, she pushs it back down and positions their head to the side.

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That's awful. These poor babies.

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Basically, she has the baby (I am talking infant here...the one in the video I saw had the newbornish cry still) laying on their tummy in a carriage, and she is pushing it pretty roughly back and forth, and when the baby starts to cry and lifts its head up and archs their back, she pushs them back down and turns their face to one side...I am not talking a soft push....this is a rough push, and will go right back to pushing the carriage. Each time the baby lifts his head up, she pushs it back down and positions their head to the side.

OMG, just reading this makes me feel nauseous! I can't watch that video. I don't understand how people can abuse their baby, and then make it into a parenting technique! Why isn't this illegal?

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That is so sick. I can not fathom how any mother could do that to their baby. CIO a mother physically removes themselves and so I can see how it would be possible to justify it in their minds that since they can't hear the baby, it must have fallen asleep just fine...but to be right there listening to the screams FOR YOU and not only ignore it, but treat them so roughly...
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That is awful.

On an aside, that baby doesn't even look older than 4 months old yet, and so she is probably just learning how to put her head up. I can't imagine the stunting of her skills that comes from someone shoving her head down every time she picks it up. Nevermind the fact that if the baby ever DID roll onto her tummy and get her face pressed into the mattress, she would have been trained to NOT lift her head to prevent suffocation.

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Just saw that video .... what a nightmare! I hope that the "back to sleep" campaign is enough to stop parents in this country from ever going down that road. That baby in the video didn't even have good strength in the neck muscles (probl. 2 months old?). She is being so rough...slamming the carriage into the wall! The only simulation of mother's movement that could possible mimic this is if the mother was falling down a flight of stairs. I never slammed my body around like that when I was pg. It's amazing the depths of greed and pure viciousness someone is willing to stoop to in order to "comfort" a sleep deprived parent. Just an outrage. Almost makes CIO the lesser of the evils. What a shame.
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and she is pushing it pretty roughly back and forth,
she is ramming the stroller into the wall

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I couldn't tolerate the jerky loading from that site but the youtube video.

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Even DH said, "Gah! I don't want to see that! Why would someone do that!"

That is just awful, awful, awful. I'm not quick to call mainstream stuff abuse. THAT is ABUSE though.

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I saw the youtube video and am horrified. Oh, those poor babies. Who is this woman? Why would that sort of treatment ever be acceptable. CIO (while horrible and wrong) is at least a passive thig, this is so aggressive and phsically abusive. If you are especially sensitive, I would recommend NOT watching the youtibe video. It is pretty much child abuse.
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Oh look, I found the website in english too! (eyesroll) http://www.annawahlgren.com/index.ph.../anna-wahlgren

Sick, sick, sick! She should be in jail for abuse! If you feel like making your heart break even more...read the stuff on the right side under "Read More".

She does have a Guestbook though...

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She deletes stuff from her website. A lot of people have commented already, even her own readers that now saw the videos- as in "she does WHAT HOW?"

A lot of us commented on her website and it get's deleted.

Mothering Rules though, can't recommend running over there! I'm sure a Moderator will remind us also.
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Oh look, I found the website in english too! (eyesroll) http://www.annawahlgren.com/index.ph.../anna-wahlgren

Sick, sick, sick! She should be in jail for abuse! If you feel like making your heart break even more...read the stuff on the right side under "Read More".

She does have a Guestbook though...
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she is ramming the stroller into the wall
Woops...sorry, I didn't realize that she was ramming the stroller into the wall!!!

Just, incredible...I did a search on her name and not much came up. Most of the stuff was in Sweedish (I think). Obvisouly, there is a problem with her in her country if other doctors are thinking or trying to take action against her.

This is without a doubt, abuse.

In Exile...where did you hear about her from? This is the first time I have heard about her.
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I heard about it from other German AP Parents. Her books are available in Germany and that's where I heard from her.

Pretty sick.
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reading it in translation makes it seem really creepy.

i only scanned it but i have to say, from about 6 months we discovered that dd liked to go to sleep lying on her front, with her head turned to one side, while we patted her quite hard on the back... am i going to get flamed? she was going through a stage when she refused to nurse to sleep.
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reading it in translation makes it seem really creepy.

i only scanned it but i have to say, from about 6 months we discovered that dd liked to go to sleep lying on her front, with her head turned to one side, while we patted her quite hard on the back... am i going to get flamed? she was going through a stage when she refused to nurse to sleep.
But if your baby would have cried, arching back, screaming and everything you would have stopped it and tried something else instead, right?

She is basically forcing the baby to stay on its belly, no matter if baby is happy or not.

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But if your baby would have cried, arching back, screaming and everything you would have stopped it and tried something else instead, right?

She is basically forcing the baby to stay on its belly, no matter if baby is happy or not.
Exactly. She's practically shoving the baby's head down and on top of that she is sort of whipping the carriage around so hard that the baby must be hitting the edge. On her homepage she is crashing her hand on the carriage very abruptly- it's like a "how to" for shaken baby syndrom, especially with those really little ones.

I also get if a baby prefers to sleeps on his belly and likes to fall asleep with a sort of rythmical patting, that's fine by me, some adults have stranger ways of falling asleep. But that is not the same as ripping a stroller around the way she does and hitting that poor baby on the butt so hard that the head wobbling on the other side.

That's just sick. Those are not her babies- her children are grown. So it's not even a totally sleep deprived parent on the brink of a breakdown. No, this is a "rational" adult who has sadistic streaks.

And she has a following, it seems almost cultish. Creepy.
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Yeah, when I watched the two videos I thought, "Yeah, I bet shaken baby syndrome makes the babies sleep for 12 hours."

Sick, sick, sick!

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Yeah, when I watched the two videos I thought, "Yeah, I bet shaken baby syndrome makes the babies sleep for 12 hours."

Sick, sick, sick!

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Yes, shove the baby a little harder and the baby might sleep forever.


I hope somebody in Sweden has enough backbone to call the police. The youtube video "tryckpress" is gone, so obviously she starts feeling like maybe that's not the best idea. I don't who had that video up, maybe it's herself, or maybe that someone got threatened, I have no idea. But I hope somebody there calls the police.
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G!d have mercy.

I'm not a particularly spiritual person, but I hope like nothing that someone, somewhere is looking out for these little ones.

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