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|View Poll Results: Did the No Cry Sleep Solution work for you?|
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Sarah ~ ds X 12/05 ~ dd E 3/08 ~ 7/12
Well, I said "yes," but I think that's a bit misleading. The poll's options are a bit misleading, actually, since it's not really the "solution" that the book's title promises (I suppose the book's title is misleading too, then!). We've been trying the various strategies (esp the "Pantley Pull-Off") for about 7 months now and I think they've definitely resulted in a major improvement over the long term. ds no longer nurses TO sleep: when he's done nursing, he unlatches and rolls over and goes to sleep on his own. So bedtime is much, much easier than it used to be, and nighttime wakings are less disruptive. But if you mean, did it get him to sleep 10 hours at night, then no. He still wakes up a lot, but the book has definitely been helpful.
|Don't mind me, just bitter that no one can tell me how to make my child sleep w/out waking up 5x+ a night!|
The pull off worked. The rest did not. I never had much trouble getting ds to STAY sleeping, I had problems GETTING him to sleep. A baby who lays in bed for 1.5 hours kicking his legs and staring at you in the dark-- I didn't feel that she delt with that situation. The book seemed to assume the child would fall asleep, then wake up frequently.
If you've been trying the PPO for 7 mo's, don't you think that your dc may just be getting older and "solving" his own sleep problems?
Sarah ~ ds X 12/05 ~ dd E 3/08 ~ 7/12
OK, now that is interesting. I am going to have to reread it because I felt totally the opposite--it was for people whose kids wouldn't sleep, therefore I didn't find it helpful since we use the magic boob for sleep. I just don't want to have to use it every 2 hrs!
Sadly, I'm beginning to think there is no way to make anyone fall or stay asleep. Some of us seem to have been blessed w/ sleep challenged LOs.
Mama to DS(7), DS(4), DD(1) and #4 due 8/2014!
There are other things in it that we've adapted, which I think is the point of the book: there is no one fix for every child. You take whatever works for you and go from there.
But overall I liked the book. It made me think, for sure, and the suggestions didn't run counter to our approach for parenting (unlike so many other sleep books out there).
mama to ds2/03 ds2/05 dd4/07 and expecting someone new in the spring!
|We have experienced a lot of challenges with ds's night wakening
through the years. Here are a bunch of ideas that I have accumulated.
Some work at different times, some are now obsolete, some are routines
for us. I hope something helps you all find more restful sleep.
Apparently, Kurcinka has a new book "Sleepless in America", which is
supposed to have some more ideas. I am not sure how consensual her
suggestions might be though.
Our major issue stems around food intolerances which affect our son's
behavior and disturbs his sleep. We have mostly identified and
elminiated them. You might check The Feingold Diet on-line for
specifics. But dairy (including casein and whey) causes him to be
aggressive and less able to process information about other people's
needs and boundaries. Artificial colors red and yellow and high
fructose corn syrup and foods naturally high in salicylates also cause
hyper type behaviors and loud vocalizations (loud noise, loud voices,
loud forceful talking). If any of these are consummed late in the day,
he has more trouble falling asleep and has increased night wakening.
Wheat used to disturb ds's sleep, also.
Offering less to drink late, after 6 or 8pm might help some children.
And I have heard that dairy before bed is highly correllated with
night waking and night bedwetting. Soy seemed to disturb ds from
settling and resting for long periods as well. A protein food helps
our son settle for the night, like peanut butter and some OJ. Sugar
seems to hype some kids up. Obviously avoiding caffeine, chocolate. We
generally don't consume chocolate after 3-4 pm, if we can avoid it.
We use an aromatherapy called "Peace & Calming" which helps all of us
settle down for the night. It is part of our nighttime 'atmosphere'.
http://www.aroma-essence.com/catalog/peace-calming.html I put a couple
of drops on his feet or back, or on my wrists, and cuddle ds and he
will settle. Another thing that ds still at 4.5 liked was getting in
the sling and being held closely when he was overtired, but not
wanting to sleep. The chest pressure helps to center him. Bouncing,
rocking and swinging help to soothe too. I have also used Melatonin
(herbal) recently after a few late nights so that I would get right to
sleep. I have also used White Chestnut, a Bach flower remedy which
helps 'when thoughts go round and round in your head'.
Another thing that I found recently, is to be sure to get some
sunlight during the day at regular times to enhance the biorhythms and
hormones. And dimming the lights earlier in the evening helps
melatonin production, apparently. We have also tried melatonin
supplementation about a dozen times when we have had inadvertant days
of food intolerance exposure disrupting our sleep patterns. Melatonin
is great at helping our son get to sleep. If he has that second wind
and winds back up, he can be up for hours and hours. Apparently,
melatonin levels are low in hyperactive and autistic children. But,
there are some hormonal and immune system issues associated with its
use. So, we are very reluctant to rely on it. We've also noticed that
if it is given to get to sleep, he wakes up after 5 hours or so and
has a hard time getting back to sleep.
Rescue Remedy liquid or RR cream helps when everyone is too exhausted
to be quiet and settled. The cream helps you both. Outdoor play in
daylight helps our son sleep more soundly. A familar video helps.
Creating a routine of sleep associations helps. Certainly not
immediately but over time. Cuddle, blanket, lovey, specific chair,
song, video, rock, sling, pat, shussh, night time story. Car rides as
last resort. Caution they become habits too easily.
Cod liver oil (essential fatty acids) is supposed to have calming
factors too. Ds LOVES Nordic Naturals' peach flavored cod liver oil. I
heard that calcium in foods or supplements might help. Lavender helps
to soothe and calm. Especially in bath water or as a lotion or rub.
And transitions, strange places, or busy overstimulating
outings/activities energize and disturb our son from settling for at
least 2-4 hours after returning. He seems to need to process all the
going on while doing some familar free play before he can stop and get
quiet enough to fall asleep. So, we try to avoid exciting stuff in the
evening. Dh coming home late seems to delay ds from winding down for
the evening also. He seems to be waiting for him.
I have heard that Epsom salt baths have a calming effect due to the
magnesium in them. And it is available at chain pharmacies. It
apparently has a detoxifying effect also. Have iron levels been
discussed? I am ambivalent about trying iron supplements for our
little guy due to toxic potential. But from what I have read, iron
deficiency is related to hyperactivity/restlessness. I believe it was
Magnesium, Calcium, Zinc and Iron which are attributed to
restlessness. I've heard the best thing is to get some magnesium
citrate powder and take 3 - 4 times a day for a while. We've been
using Natural Calm for magnesium supplementation and it seems to help.
The No Cry Sleep Solution helped us to create additional sleep
associations. Now ds will just cuddle his lovey, I give him a pat and
a shussh and we both go back to sleep.
|Ok, here are the rest of my tricks up the sleeve. LOL Another old post
about nipple weaning, AKA the Pantley Method.
Ds woke every 60-90 minutes too for the first 18-21 months until I
read No Cry Sleep Solution. I understood the idea of getting the
nipple out of his mouth but the reality was quite a bit harder. It
took almost three months for this to succeed. At times, I figured
trying to change seemed so much harder than just letting him nurse to
sleep every 60-90 minutes all night long. But I kept at it for one
week and found that several times in the week he DID fall back asleep
with out the nipple. And I swear it had never happened before NCSS.
So, that gave me some hope. Then, the second week it happened only
several times and again I felt hopeless. And sleepless because at the
same time I was doing MORE sleep associations which were just making
me MORE awake and MORE tired.
Oh, how I wished that I had done the MORE sleep associations when he
had been an infant. But I didn't have the energy or the desire not to
just peacefully nurse him to sleep. That worked and we both loved it.
Until, I was so sleep deprived that I needed sleep more than I wanted
to just keep waking to nurse him back to sleep. Of course, we co-slept
or I'd have died of exhaustion well before 18 months. But it wasn't
that ds wasn't just dozing peacefully back to sleep, *I* wasn't dozing
back to sleep despite exhaustion and probably due to the self talk of
"I want to sleep! I don't want to wake up every hour or two any more!"
So, we kept adding sleep associations: I would tap my finger on his
head softly with a heartbeat cadence; I had added a lullaby, started
making a shusshing sound at regular intervals, added a lovey which we
always held while nursing; held him in a specific way, cradled his
head against my arm for slight pressure on it; placed a heavy hand on
his chest to mimic holding him close; gently delatched him BUT DID NOT
MOVE A MUSCLE continuing ALL the added sleep associations; and waited
TEN MINUTES until he was deeply asleep and then I would slowly and
gently set him on the bed beside me and keep doing all the added sleep
associations except the nursing for several minutes. Then gradually
stopping the lullaby, then stopping the head pressure and then
stopping the tapping cadence then stopping the gentle chest pressure
and then stopping the shusshing and the lovey was his companion.
Then when he awakened we did the whole thing again every time for
about four weeks until gradually the delatching routine became
quicker. And after about two more months, when he awakened
occasionally the other sleep associations were enough and gradually
over the next several months I slowly withdrew them except to just
place my heavy hand on his chest or head and shussh him back to sleep,
sometimes with the heart beat tap, tap, tap cadence. But, he still
awakened to nurse about three times a night but it was a much shorter
time awake because all the signals were associated with sleep and he
dozed off more quickly. And I got back to sleep more quickly too.
So, the NCSS allowed me to ultimately get more sleep but in the "short
run" of the first couple of months of adding sleep associations, I had
much less sleep!
I'm sorry if you explained this in your post, but were you nursing in a chair/elsewhere and then setting him asleep on the bed? If you were cosleeping, didn't he wake up and want to nurse when you came to bed?
Thanks,your post was helpful--I'm desperately trying to connect the dots before we all lose it from sleep deprivation.
We'd couldn't have lived without co-sleeping. Ds is very sensory seeking to this day. Some babies can't tolerate the stimulation of added sleep associations and resettle.
Hope that helps,
Yes, so very helpful! I'm printing out all your posts to share w/ DH. One more quesiton about your last statement:
Some babies can't tolerate the stimulation of added sleep associations and resettle
I'm not sure I understand--how does that tie into cosleeping? Sorry to be so : --I need sleep!
Well, a friend's baby was sensory overloaded by cosleeping. And it is a touchy subject here, but each baby is different.
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