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#31 of 37 Old 05-13-2010, 02:36 PM - Thread Starter
 
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Agree with all, but would like to comment on the last paragraph. I just had tear-filled conversation with DS over this issue, having to explain asynchrony to him. I do have a long view, and right now what I foresee as a strong potential is that DS checks out of school because he can't demonstrate his abilities, the work doesn't seem meaningful or relevant to him because he's forced to limit his expression to what he can write, and that he's forced at times to work on lower level work due to the writing issues.
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I am concerned about this as well. I can see it in a small way now, and it's definitely a concern because it affects self esteem. I'm worried about getting into a negative pattern of expectations/low written output, that just turns ds off completely. All of the ideas of pp's regarding techniques, accommodations, etc. have been great. I'm going to re-read carefully.

Taking the pressure off seems key because I think that this could really color ds' view of himself.
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I anticipate that every year of school will have this as part of the struggle and will depend on the teacher's ability and willingness to accomodate. DS already thinks that he's better off learning stuff on his own and that school is about things other than learning.

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i hear you mama. i hear you sooo well.

and this is what i have done because this has been a concern of mine since dd was 3 when she first called herself an 'alien' (she totally understood the meaning of alien then). and i have "worked" with her about being different. that different is not bad. yes it might be lonely but look at the cool things you can do.

dd agrees with your son.

in K she told her teacher "i come to school to party and i go home to learn". she is a 'checker-outer' at school too. has done it since K.

having a child like this i find what has really helped is to take a philosophical look at life. even thru the struggles i KNOW it has made a HUUUUUUUUUUUGE difference to dd to 'talk' about like/dislike, alone/group, success/failure. i know she has really, really needed that perspective in life so that she today in general has a more balanced outlook on life rather than a v. sad one.

WOW i had no idea writing took soooo much time to really master.

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I've been following along and thinking about responding. We are still... searching... I will say in our quest to help DS with his writing.

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I agree with joensally about an OT assessment. My DD's OT pursued handwriting interventions not because of her scores (not bad enough for insurance purposes and certainly not bad enough for school intervention), but because of the large gap between her verbal abilities and her writing.
DS has had about 6 weeks of OT. He's learning cursive in hopes that will improve his writing and make him more comfortable writing. At this point, though, I think he is getting fairly bored.

OP, if you want to see our ongoing saga you can search for threads I have started, lol.

DS is 8 and in 2nd grade. We held him back last year for a combination of writing issues & social anxiety. Now, a year later the social anxiety is gone but the writing is still problematic. I am *very* worried about him next year (he is ready to go to the 3rd/4th split) but hope it will work out.

 

 

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I've been reading about NLD (Non-verbal learning disabilities, meaning there are no learning disabilities associated with verbal skills, but only with non-verbal ones). Verbal abilities are usually in the gifted range.

There are some things there that seem to fit dd1, but others I'm not so sure about. Some have described it as Aspergers lite, but I think that's not really the whole picture.

Here's the Hoagies page about it:
http://www.hoagiesgifted.org/nonverbal_learning.htm

The act of writing can be very difficult for kids with NLD. It's worth looking into.

I think there must be a spectrum and perhaps some kids have a tendency toward NLD w/o having full blown NLD.

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don't mean to threadjack but my dd is almost 7 is struggling with writing. has trouble with copying from the board, and writing simple words and sentences. one thing in particular that i'm curious about is she can spell words correctly orally, but when you ask her to write it down she can't spell the same word correctly that she just spelled orally. she got a 33% on her last spelling test and the teacher (per my suggestion) quizzed her orally immediately following the test (after seeing how poorly she did) and my dd got a 94%.

we had her vision tested by a developmental optometrist and her fine motor portion of the test was at level for her age (putting +'s in progressively smaller circles and was timed). on the visual discrimination she scored the equivalent of a 13 year old (the highest you could get - she didn't miss any)... on visual memory (not requiring writing) she scored the equivalent of an 11 year old. but on the same section (visual) but a different subtest when she had to use her visual memory and recreate it on paper with pencil she scored as a 5 year old. the optometrist said that is a concern since there is such a large discrepancy between that and her visual memory and discrimination (13 yo and 11 yo scores).

i'm just curious as to what would cause her such difficult with writing.
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don't mean to threadjack but my dd is almost 7 is struggling with writing. has trouble with copying from the board, and writing simple words and sentences. one thing in particular that i'm curious about is she can spell words correctly orally, but when you ask her to write it down she can't spell the same word correctly that she just spelled orally. she got a 33% on her last spelling test and the teacher (per my suggestion) quizzed her orally immediately following the test (after seeing how poorly she did) and my dd got a 94%.

we had her vision tested by a developmental optometrist and her fine motor portion of the test was at level for her age (putting +'s in progressively smaller circles and was timed). on the visual discrimination she scored the equivalent of a 13 year old (the highest you could get - she didn't miss any)... on visual memory (not requiring writing) she scored the equivalent of an 11 year old. but on the same section (visual) but a different subtest when she had to use her visual memory and recreate it on paper with pencil she scored as a 5 year old. the optometrist said that is a concern since there is such a large discrepancy between that and her visual memory and discrimination (13 yo and 11 yo scores).

i'm just curious as to what would cause her such difficult with writing.
Has an OT done an eval? Have you read The Mislabeled Child? I'll have a look in my copy and see if there's anything in there.

DS has dysgraphia/written output disorder and something happens in the translation into the pen. He can spell way better orally than in printing.

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Has an OT done an eval? Have you read The Mislabeled Child? I'll have a look in my copy and see if there's anything in there.

DS has dysgraphia/written output disorder and something happens in the translation into the pen. He can spell way better orally than in printing.
no OT done. while i love her teacher, she is new, this is her first teaching job (started in january) and she thinks dd is just maturing late. however, her difficulty in writing was first pointed out to me back in october 2008 by her kindergarten montessori teacher. so it has always been a problem. i can't get the district to do anything about it b/c her teacher thinks she'll catch up eventually. she also struggles with reading and her grades have been slipping the past few months. i dread what the summer break will do. she regressed tremendously last summer and i expect the same to happen this summer too.
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