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Hey! I'm in a state where I would have to claim religious exemption. I don't honestly know when this will even come up as DS will be homeschooled but I plan on selectively vaccinating him and am wondering how you explain a "religious" exemption for some but not all vaccinations?
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Your state sounds like mine. I just lie. I get my exemption on file then get my kids the shots I've selected. They don't have to know about them and I have no qualms with it.

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From what I understand you have to be careful about getting vaxes after you file/declare your religious exemption. Make sure you're not in the vax registries (you cannot opt out in some states).
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We don't selectively vax, but my kids have religious exemptions and just new for this year, they have the option to mark which ones you are opposed to. It may be only in NM, I dunno, but I was a bit surprised.

Here is what it looks like.

What state are you in?

eta: and actually, I guess we were selectively vaxers since my first two had some shots before I began researching. I just say they haven't had any, b/c it's easier for me and they haven't finished the entire series anyway. I'm not the least bit worried about them being excluded in the event of an outbreak so I figure it's not the school's business to know.

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i came to post this exact thing, i'm in tn
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I checked the box stating that I was opposed and just signed off when I registered DS for school. He has been selectively vaxed but I figured it was easier than getting into it all. He hasn't been vaxed for the things the school will care about, measles, chicken pox et al.
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In NJ, we cannot opt out of the state immunization registry (I don't think...). In such a case, what could a parent do to vaccinate selectively? Has anyone done so?
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In NJ, we cannot opt out of the state immunization registry (I don't think...). In such a case, what could a parent do to vaccinate selectively? Has anyone done so?
I live in NJ too and you can get a religious exemption.

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In NJ, we cannot opt out of the state immunization registry (I don't think...). In such a case, what could a parent do to vaccinate selectively? Has anyone done so?
Yes you can opt out in NJ

Any child born after 1998 is automatically enrolled UNLESS you sign a Declination of Newborn Automatic Enrollment form. Also any child that is already enrolled can be disenrolled by filling out a registrant withdrawl form.

Interestingly enough it gives a link on their website to download this form, but if you click on it, the form is not there! I called the registry and the lady is going to find out about the form and call me back. I will post again when she does and update.

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Yes you can opt out in NJ

Any child born after 1998 is automatically enrolled UNLESS you sign a Declination of Newborn Automatic Enrollment form. Also any child that is already enrolled can be disenrolled by filling out a registrant withdrawl form.

Interestingly enough it gives a link on their website to download this form, but if you click on it, the form is not there! I called the registry and the lady is going to find out about the form and call me back. I will post again when she does and update.
Thx, Marnica. I do now remember getting something to sign at one of my peds' offices; however, it seemed to state that I was required to participate in the registry in order to be a patient of the practice. Is that possible? Yikes. In any case, we are with another ped now, but I'd LOVE to find out how to disenroll my DCs. Please let me know if you hear back. If not, I'll try calling as well. TIA!
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It is my understanding that you only need the exemption for school so if you homeschool why would you need it?

 
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Marnica - I found the form...

http://web.doh.state.nj.us/apps2/doc...m47_091508.dot

It's IMM-47. It's a word doc, but it doesn't appear on the website, just off of this link I found in google. I'll play around with it more tomorrow if I get a minute. Does this look to be the correct form?
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Marnica - I found the form...

http://web.doh.state.nj.us/apps2/doc...m47_091508.dot

It's IMM-47. It's a word doc, but it doesn't appear on the website, just off of this link I found in google. I'll play around with it more tomorrow if I get a minute. Does this look to be the correct form?
yes that's it...glad you found it. I think it's ridiculous that it is not right there on the website. I'm sure they don't even want people to know it's an option. The lady from the registry never called me back...big surprise!!! Good luck!

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yes that's it...glad you found it. I think it's ridiculous that it is not right there on the website. I'm sure they don't even want people to know it's an option. The lady from the registry never called me back...big surprise!!! Good luck!
Ok, thx, again. I'm going to try and get both kiddos off the registry - I just wonder if they actually stop collecting the data or if they collect and just don't release it. Ugh, this is frustrating!
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Is there a vaccine registry in Illinois? Just curious. Never heard of such a thing. Does anyone know? And if there is one, how does one get off of it?
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bumping b/c I came searching with the same question, and am curious about this and also in Illinois. My son has had some of his vaxes, and I'm OK with saying gee we changed our conviction. He is 5 and has had most vaxes we care to get. Hep B and chicken pox will come way later, and I don't think we will do mmr. But I'm not 100% sure about that. Basically I'm not comfortable with turning in a blank form and then getting a vax, should we end up doing so. I don't even know yet if my dr. will allow it...I've never heard of these registries?
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IIRC, in TN you still have to submit a vaccination form if you homeschool, so that may also be true in other states.

Looks like there is an Immunization Registry in TN, it records all vaccines given in health departments and participating doctor's offices. So I guess you'd have to ask at your office to find out if you were on there. It is accessible to school nurses, so I guess if they wanted they could check on you. Still, they'd have to single your records out to check, most people probably wouldn't bother. So far I can't find info about opting out, grrr...

Another note for TN people - they are now requiring TWO doses of chicken pox for kindergarten entry, and in 2011 they're going to require HepA. :P
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bumping b/c I came searching with the same question, and am curious about this and also in Illinois. My son has had some of his vaxes, and I'm OK with saying gee we changed our conviction. He is 5 and has had most vaxes we care to get. Hep B and chicken pox will come way later, and I don't think we will do mmr. But I'm not 100% sure about that. Basically I'm not comfortable with turning in a blank form and then getting a vax, should we end up doing so. I don't even know yet if my dr. will allow it...I've never heard of these registries?
I believe that all 50 states have a government database of every child in order to track their vaccinations. Living in Illinois, you are lucky; your state requires that parents give their consent for their children to be included. From the URL:
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In a lot of other states, children are automatically enrolled, usually without the consent or even knowledge of their parents. There's usually an opt-out process for parents who don't want their children in it, but doctors and public health officials aren't exactly proclaiming that little secret from the rooftops. Here on MDC, a number of people have posted something along the lines of, "Hey! I didn't know my children were in a database....!" Not terribly ethical, IMHO.

ETA: I've heard of selectively vaxing parents crossing state lines to avoid registry issues. Not sure how well that works, though.

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One thing you can do is base your selective/delayed schedule around your state's laws on what they actually need for school, as well as how often you need to submit exemptions. For example, the only ones I am considering at this point are MMR and Varicella, but not until adolescence. Since my state only requires a new exemption be filed when a student changes schools (even if its within the district), I plan on having them done after we file an exemption for high school (that is... if we send our kids to public school and we're still in NY).


 

 

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When you do a religious exemption, you are saying that you do not believe in ANY vaccines entering your childs body. With that, my 4th is selectively vax'd, yet we are doing religious exempt as well, if we dont end up homeschooling her (she's not even 1 yet) because my Pediatrician said that he keeps track of the shots she gets in the office on his records, but when we need state forms filled out, he just doesnt fill in any of the vaccine info and just signs off on the paperwork and I attach the religious exemption form to the paper.
I had to do this when applying to be a foster home, and DCFS accepted it. So you need to just not fill out any of the shot info on the paperwork, but have the Dr keep track in his office.

ETA: so in the end, on the DCFS paperwork it looks as if she's had no vaccines, where she has really had Dtap, PC and Hib.

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^^That only works if the state has a voluntary immunization registry; many states opt your child into their registry without needing consent, and several do not allow you to opt your child out. In such states, doctors are required to enter a child's relieved vaccinations into the registry, which the school may access.


 

 

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What is exactly the issue with the registry? Is it that the school can find out that you are actually vaxing, is there some sort of penalty? We selectively fax and are in NJ, I have no idea about this registry. I am pretty sure we didn't sign anything, should they (Ped?) have given us the option to opt out? Wouldn't a school actually be happy that an exempted child is actually partially vaxed?
We have a religious exemption that the school happily accepted.
I guess if they (school) find out I would say that the Ped talked us into it, that it is still against our believes.

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What is exactly the issue with the registry? Is it that the school can find out that you are actually vaxing, is there some sort of penalty?
One concern is that the validity of a religious exemption may come under scrutiny. This worry is perhaps not unwarranted, depending on the wording of state law. I understand that language from cases such as Seeger, Welsh, and Frazee is often bandied about, but it doesn't have blanket applicability--no claim of religiosity is going to get you off the hook for having a bushel of peyote buttons in the attic, unless you're really, really a member of the Native American Church, for example.

[ETA.--Although nominally about North Carolina, I think this (PDF file) is a pretty good overview.]
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What is exactly the issue with the registry? Is it that the school can find out that you are actually vaxing, is there some sort of penalty?
Religious exemptions are all or nothing; you must reject the practice of vaccination, not selected vaccinations or their ingredients. Through the registry, the school has the ability to check to see if your child has been getting vaccines, which can call your religious exemption into question. If the school chooses, they can reject your exemption if you aren't able to explain why you chose to violate your own beliefs.

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We selectively fax and are in NJ, I have no idea about this registry. I am pretty sure we didn't sign anything, should they (Ped?) have given us the option to opt out?
Each state is different. Most require that you be notified that your child is in the registry, some require your consent, while a few do not require you to be notified at all. In NJ, your pedi is supposed to inform you when your child is entered into the registry, and NJ also allows you to opt your child out of the registry.

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Wouldn't a school actually be happy that an exempted child is actually partially vaxed?
Perhaps, but it does call into doubt the sincerity of one's religious beliefs regarding vaccination. Again, a religious exemption means that you are opposed to the practice of vaccination.


 

 

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One concern is that the validity of a religious exemption may come under scrutiny. This worry is perhaps not unwarranted, depending on the wording of state law. I understand that language from cases such as Seeger, Welsh, and Frazee is often bandied about, but it doesn't have blanket applicability--no claim of religiosity is going to get you off the hook for having a bushel of peyote buttons in the attic, unless you're really, really a member of the Native American Church, for example.

[ETA.--Although nominally about North Carolina, I think this (PDF file) is a pretty good overview.]
Thanks for the document, that is interesting.
So I guess, the main penalty for the school finding out is that they might reject the exemption?
We vaxed our oldest before we applied for exemption, I worded it in the exemption as that we changed our believes, the school had no issues with that.
Don't think our current school will have issues (it is private we will soon pay for 3 kids). I am more worried about the public school next year.

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I'm feeling very confused about this issue. (I just posted a separate thread about this, then did a search and found this thread)

We live in CT. My 21 month old unvaxed daughter is supposed to be starting preschool in less than 3 weeks. I had planned on a) submitting a religious exemption form, and b) selectively vaccinating after my daughter's 2nd birthday. But I just realized that this could cause a major problem for the 2011/12 school year. The school requires that an annual medical form with vaccination information be signed by a doctor and submitted annually. So if I've selectively vaccinated, then how can I claim an exemption from the rest?
My doctor is not the type who would fudge the form for me. In fact, I can't imagine finding any dr who would.

So what am I to do?? Homeschooling is not on my agenda, yet I'm not going to be forced into administering shots to my child that I feel uncomfortable about. We do plan on moving to another state in a couple of years, but won't that state require that I produce medical records from my CT doctor's office?

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So if I've selectively vaccinated, then how can I claim an exemption from the rest?
Only way I can see is if you vax before you claim the exemption. After you claim it you are stuck.

You could find a state nearby that has the option of opting out of the vaccine registry database and get her vax done there, oh and you'd better pay cash so the insurance company doesn't know about it. Her regular ped dr could then truthfully say he didn't give her any vaccinations. If a VPD breaks out though you will have to keep your daughter at home.

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