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#61 of 77 Old 01-01-2013, 12:50 PM
 
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I think anyone who's used a daycare in the developed world will have experience with how fast tummy bugs spread through those places. Yes we have good hygiene, but it can never be perfect. 

 

Since I consider vaccines very safe I am pleased to have them available to reduce the discomfort my children would suffer from various diseases I know are unlikely to be very serious in the developed world. 


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I think anyone who's used a daycare in the developed world will have experience with how fast tummy bugs spread through those places. Yes we have good hygiene, but it can never be perfect. 

 

Since I consider vaccines very safe I am pleased to have them available to reduce the discomfort my children would suffer from various diseases I know are unlikely to be very serious in the developed world. 

 

Viral gastroenteritis is spread via close contact with infected persons.  Rotavirus is not; it's spread primarily through infected feces.

 

Daycare centers have very stringent policies regarding hygiene; they don't even allow cloth diapers.  Children with diarrhea and/or vomiting are sent home as soon as possible, with instructions not to return until 24 hours after the last intestinal event. 

 

Breastfed babies are far, far less likely to come down with such an illness, and when they do, it's almost always far milder than in formula-fed babies.

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In support of the OP, posts 17 and 18 from this thread: http://www.mothering.com/community/t/1370826/infant-mortality-rates-regressed-against-number-of-vaccine-doses-routinely-given-is-there-a-biochemical-or-synergistic-toxicity#post_17215451

 

may give you a lot of helpful information.  I thought I knew a fair bit about rotavirus and the vaccines for it, but I found some of this information really eye-opening.

 

hth!

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Cloth diapers depends on the daycare and the state. My daycare allows them.
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Thanks or all the help taxi. Hope I can return the favor in the not vaccinating forum sometime. Golden rule and all.
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Let's stay on topic out of respect for the OP. I am posting the guidelines for this forum again and asking that members respect the great deal of effort that went into providing a safe place for all vax choices: 

 

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Mindful Vaccination -  This is a support-only forum for those who are vaccinating selectively, on a delayed schedule or fully vaccinating on schedule. Members who aren't vaccinating should not post here to debate or argue accuracy or opinion of things posted. 

 

OP, it sounds like you may want some support from the perspective of folks who have decided to not vaccinate. If you would like their perspective specifically, you are welcome to cross post in the "I'm not vaccinating" forum. 


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UPDATE:Skipped the second rota dose....accepted second dtap dose. Little one also had his first dose of PC and was so irratable for days and had a fever....I need to research this one as well

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Thanks for the update.  Did the doctor give you a hard time about skipping the second rota?


There is a battle of two wolves inside us.  One is good and the other is evil.  The wolf that wins is the one you feed.

 

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She is very respectful about it and is asking me think about HIB...which I will!!

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 I am glad she was respectful.

 

I would get the Vaccine Book out from the library, by Doctor Sears.  It is neither a zealous defender of the current vaccine schedule  or non-vax.  I would say it takes a fairly thorough (but still basic) look at vaccines through a selective/delayed lens.  

 

Some of the topics in the book are discussed here:

 

http://www.askdrsears.com/topics/vaccines


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The vaccine book has a fair amount of misleading and inaccurate information. I don't care for it. I recommend vaccines and your child: separating facts from fiction.
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Thanks Kathymuggle, I will check it out

 

Rrrrrrrachel, that is exactly why I am "mindfully vaccinating", I despise conflicting research!!!

 

oh and the flu shot is also recommended when my baby is a year old, puh-lease!

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Conflicting research is kind of an inevitability, though. 

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The vaccine book has a fair amount of misleading and inaccurate information. I don't care for it. I recommend vaccines and your child: separating facts from fiction.

Such as?  mischievous.gif  Another debate for another time, perhaps.

 

I think she should get both books to get differring viewpoints.

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There is a battle of two wolves inside us.  One is good and the other is evil.  The wolf that wins is the one you feed.

 

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Sure! Can't go wrong with reading more!
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I'm considering this one now.
Any evidence that it isn't safe, now that it's been routinely given for about a year?

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Google intussusception and rotavirus, do the math on your risk factors and decide from there.  Good luck!


There is a battle of two wolves inside us.  One is good and the other is evil.  The wolf that wins is the one you feed.

 

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