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#1 of 10 Old 04-27-2014, 11:47 PM - Thread Starter
 
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My DD had DTap and Hib at 2 months and had a screaming episode that scared me out of continuing. To date she has had a tetanus shot (at 4 years) and a penicillin shot for strep (at 4 years).

 

I don't think I will ever feel comfortable giving her more DTap because of the screaming (it felt like her head hurt), but I am thinking about which others may be warranted now that she is in public school and we are expecting a new baby in the fall.

 

Measles are about here, and I have been thinking of the MMR. I don't have as much fear of reactions now that she is school aged... But it is a hard decision to make.

 

Which other vax might be helpful both to protect her from potentially dangerous infections, and to help protect our expected newborn (the bubble of immunity). When I think of it from that angle, I think pertussis is the scariest vaccine preventable disease we would be likely to encounter... But then there is the challenge that I don't want to continue that one anyway. She may have had it at 2 years old. She tested negative, but my mother had it at the same time. I guess I could get her titres checked.

 

We do plan to travel in Central Europe when baby is around 1 year old. We did that with DD, who had a few minor illnesses in the 4 months we were abroad, but nothing vaccine preventable that I know of...

 

Any thoughts or resources are appreciated!


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Really tough call. I'd look at the recommended travel vaccines for the countries you plan on visiting. I don't have the data in front of me, but I believe that diphtheria is still endemic in parts of Central and Eastern Europe, so doing DTaP could be advantageous for you there.

The pertussis vaccine is most likely not preventing transmission. The best argument that can be made for the vaccine is that it *may* give your kids a milder case of the disease if they do catch it while vaccinated.

http://www.pnas.org/content/111/2/787.full.pdf+html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2631860/
http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2013/02/researchers-find-first-us-evidence-vaccine-resistant-pertussis

I agree that it's a scary illness, so monitor reports of it carefully and consider informally quarantining your family if you know of a nearby outbreak.

Measles often gets minimized by radical non-vaxxers and hyperbolized by radical pro-vaxxers. It's definitely endemic throughout Europe. I personally chose the risks of the vaccine over the risks of possibly having to deal with the disease.

Where your daughter has reacted to vaccines before, I think that your incremental approach would be a wise decision. Network around to find a pediatrician who will support you.

I will be doing the chicken pox vaccine if my kids haven't had a wild case by adolescence. That illness can be serious in older kids.

Our risk of getting polio is next to nil, but we still do IPV because we may travel, and that disease scares the crap out of me.

I hope this helps. I wish this issue were more straight-forward!

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Thank you for that thoughtful response! I will digest it and further my research!

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The FDA just put out a study showing that babboons, when given the DTaP for Pertussis, carried contagious Whooping Cough for up to 5 weeks. Additionally, when exposed later, they because asymptomatic carriers. So giving yourself or your child the DTaP could actually, backfire! At least if you're not vaccinated, you know if you're sick and could consciously avoid a newborn.


"they may still become infected with the bacteria without always getting sick and are able to spread infection to others"

http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm376937.htm#.Uurd080Ju8s.facebook

 

All 103 vaccinated in whooping cough outbreak:

http://web.archive.org/web/20120424095716/http:/www.thetimesnews.com/news/school-53424-department-health.html

 

Most cases of whooping cough are mild

http://www.bmj.com/content/310/6975/299

 

 

Regarding MMR, most cases of measles and mumps are not serious and in most cases a number of them are fully vaccianted. Here is a well researched article about the recent outbreaks, etc.
http://gianelloni.wordpress.com/2013/08/27/measles-shmeasles/

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The FDA just put out a study showing that babboons, when given the DTaP for Pertussis, carried contagious Whooping Cough for up to 5 weeks. Additionally, when exposed later, they because asymptomatic carriers. So giving yourself or your child the DTaP could actually, backfire! At least if you're not vaccinated, you know if you're sick and could consciously avoid a newborn.


"they may still become infected with the bacteria without always getting sick and are able to spread infection to others"

http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm376937.htm#.Uurd080Ju8s.facebook

 

All 103 vaccinated in whooping cough outbreak:

http://web.archive.org/web/20120424095716/http:/www.thetimesnews.com/news/school-53424-department-health.html

 

Most cases of whooping cough are mild

http://www.bmj.com/content/310/6975/299

 

 

Regarding MMR, most cases of measles and mumps are not serious and in most cases a number of them are fully vaccianted. Here is a well researched article about the recent outbreaks, etc.
http://gianelloni.wordpress.com/2013/08/27/measles-shmeasles/

You are mischaracterizing the FDA release.  You can't catch whooping cough from the pertussis vaccine.  It's impossible.  The baboons were DELIBERATELY INFECTED with pertussis to assess efficacy.  They didn't get pertussis from the vaccine.

 

In any outbreak of measles, there are going to be vaccinated people who get the disease, because most people are vaccinated and the vaccine is only about 90% effective.  So, let's say that there are 100 people and 90% are vaccinated.  There's an outbreak and 10 vaccinated people get measles and 8 unvaccinated people get it.  Does that mean that the vaccine doesn't work because more vaxxed than unvaxxed people got the measles?  No.  10% of the vaxxed people got the disease and 80% of the unvaxxed did.

 

As for the Gianelloni blog..that's not an article.  It's a mommy blog.  And it's hardly well-researched.

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If your daughter had a tetanus shot at 4 than she did have the dtap. It's not separated anymore.

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I would do the MMR, we are seeing more and more outbreaks in the US as well as all over the world, so the diseases are not eradicated.  Since a baby can not get the vax until they are a year old, they are especially vulnerable.  Depending on where you are traveling, I would consider polio for both of them.  It is still endemic in some areas, and not every country has the same vax requirements for travelers.  We did it because of travel plans (DH travels to countries where it is endemic), and because the disease is just so scary.


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If your daughter had a tetanus shot at 4 than she did have the dtap. It's not separated anymore.

 

They still have a Td without the pertussis component. The CDC even has a recently updated VIS for Td alone.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/vis/vis-statements/td.html

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I agree with the MMR suggestions. If you do not want the varicella also, make sure your DD's provider knows this. Often they give older children the combo shot.

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the datp was the one I gave my 3 year old when I was pregnant because whooping cough and a babe scared me. Just one shot begins protection, and he has now had all 4. The last one he ran a 24 hour fever but no reactions to the others. Maybe check his titers. Maybe that one dtap was enough to build his immunity. We've also done mmr.
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