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Old 09-19-2006, 12:45 AM
 
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but diptheria and tetanus are diseases I really would rather avoid. I will accept the small risk of the vaccine for those.
Just an fyi for you Synchro, in case you don't already know. Diptheria is practically erradicated from the US, with 0 - 1 cases per year. There's a great thread on tetanus here. It's great reading, if you haven't already.
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Thirdly, you can be 99.99% sure that any reading material they pass onto you is going to be pro-vax propoganda with very little facts on the disease prevalence and the safety/dangers of the vaccine.

Well, this hasn't been my experience. But you and I probably disagree as to what constitutes "pro-vax propaganda".

At any rate, a doctor worth his/her salt will sit down with you and discuss these issues and give you further reading material which you can then evaluate for yourself. Taking the doctor's viewpoint into consideration isn't taking the easy way out if you know that the doctor has done his or her homework and is not a propagandist. I agree that a doctor would not be the ONLY source to consult but I don't think that's what the PP was saying.

A related anecdote: DD's former pediatrician disagreed with my not vaxing her but was very respectful of my POV and helpfully sent me an e-mail breaking down the recommended doses so that I could see at what age I would have to give fewer doses. I don't think she's an expert on vaccinations, and she wasn't really a "source" of information in my particular case - and she is certainly pro-vax - but that doesn't make her a tool or a propagandist.

Pediatricians are not all brainwashed money-grubbing sheeple ! Some of them are quite intelligent and have given these issues a lot of thought. Some of them (like the younger Sears') actually don't vaccinate their kids or do a selective/delayed schedule...or, like my former ped (she moved - sob), they recommend fully vaxing but are very respectful of an alternate decision and will not press their POV on you although they are happy to answer questions and defend it. So I don't think it's fair to say that 99.99% of what a doctor is going to tell you about vaccines is "propaganda". The MD (or DO) behind their name doesn't make them God but it also doesn't make them automatically stupid or sellouts.

It is always good to critically examine the information relayed by any source, be they credentialed or not - no matter how many degrees are behind their name or how stellar their reputation. If you trust your ability to evaluate the info, what harm can it do to look at it? You might even learn something new.
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I'm a little nervous about posting because I hate to "open my mouth and remove all doubt" and don't really want to offer advise but experience. My oldest was diagnosed with Rubella, the Doc's blamed it on a new strain at the local Indian reservation and did nada for her. Years later several of my children got Pertussis. Where? My (vaccinated as a child) hubby brought it home from work. Wasn't scary but took a long time to recover. I know it sounds like my kids have been sick but they really haven't and they have great defenses. As informed Mommies we keep a close watch on our babes and that makes a big difference. I believe the best preventative medicine is a Mother's intuition. You sound like you've done the right thing
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Pediatricians are not all brainwashed money-grubbing sheeple ! Some of them are quite intelligent and have given these issues a lot of thought. Some of them (like the younger Sears') actually don't vaccinate their kids or do a selective/delayed schedule...or, like my former ped (she moved - sob), they recommend fully vaxing but are very respectful of an alternate decision and will not press their POV on you although they are happy to answer questions and defend it. So I don't think it's fair to say that 99.99% of what a doctor is going to tell you about vaccines is "propaganda". The MD (or DO) behind their name doesn't make them God but it also doesn't make them automatically stupid or sellouts.
I don't think they are all brainwashed but I think many leave much to be desired. The two I tried to engage in conversation one said he knew a kid that died of pertussis so ergo I should vaccinate and the other told me not to listen to the crazy people on the internet. Otherwise I got handed that colored piece of paper.
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Pediatricians are not all brainwashed money-grubbing sheeple ! Some of them are quite intelligent and have given these issues a lot of thought...... So I don't think it's fair to say that 99.99% of what a doctor is going to tell you about vaccines is "propaganda". The MD (or DO) behind their name doesn't make them God but it also doesn't make them automatically stupid or sellouts.
You misrepresented what I said in my previous post. I said none of the above. What I did say is that you can be 99.99% sure the reading material they give you will be provax propoganda. I don't know how anyone can argue that those one-page descriptions are anything but. They don't give you accurate information on the disease prevalence, what the illness is like and almost no information on the dangers or safety of the vaccine. There's no way a parent can be fully informed and give "informed consent" from that one page. I'd love to hear that a pediatrician offered the package inserts, CDC statistics or suggested the reading of Stephanie Cave's book (which I consider provax, but better than nothing).

I think that to say pediatricians (which is not what you said, I'm just singling them out) are not about the money is naive. They run a business. They have mortgages, student loans, equipment loans all to pay and families to support and send to private school. So, while they may have gone into medicine because they care about helping people, they now have big bills to pay, often needing to shove in as many patients in a day as they can (one child every 10 minutes is what I've experienced), leaving them very little time to do research on anything. They have no choice but to rely on vaccine manufacturers, the AMA, the AAP, the CDC and medical equipment companies. If there's really something serious wrong with your child, they order tests, send you to a specialist or both. The average pediatrician has neither the time nor the expertise.

They are not all money-grubbing and most are very intelligent, but they are "brainwashed". They are trained. Medicine is a religion. If you start to question part of it (like vaccines), then you have to start questioning other areas of medicine. Then, how can a doctor be condfident that their diagnosis and treatment is accurate? How dare they question those books and medical school professors and doctors they interned with who all know more than they and have been around longer? They have to believe. They can't afford to 2nd guess. It can cost lives and cost them their livelihoods.

I'm not angry about it or angry at doctors. It's not a conspiracy theory. It's just life and our society. It's just something I've come to accept.
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