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The vaccine is especially recommended for young girls who have not had sex yet, as well as those who have not had multiple partners (that reduces the risk of them having already contracted the virus). However, their makers claim that all young women up to the age of approx. 27 (where they supposedly go steady with a partner Sheepish.gif) may benefit from it.



Is that actually the arguement (why they only recommend it through age 26)? 


 

 

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There are lots of reasons to delay sex until adulthood, and I personally think the best reasons are emotional reasons rather than biological reasons. For teens who have sex using 2 forms of birthcontrol, one of them being a condemn, the biological risk are extremely low. But there are still good reasons to delay.

 

 

I know that was a typo but I was laughing at using a "condemn" as one of two forms of birth control. Does that involve a mother telling her daughter "I condemn you! You are evil, evil girl if you have sex!! You will get a sick vagina and have abnormal children."? I definitely think you would need two forms of birth control if that is one of the forms. winky.gif

 

Gardisil doesn't mean you can skip pap smears. I have also wondered what the point of getting it if you get regular pap smears. But a lot of women don't. And pap smears don't prevent genital warts, doesn't Gardisil? I'm not completely sure, maybe it is against some strains that cause warts? My cousin got warts when she was like 21 (and so did her friend, from the same guy...who happened to be married to someone else at the time grossedout.gif) and they were a big pain for her to get treated.

 

I thought the 26 year age limit was supposedly the time by which most women have started having sex. I can't imagine it is a hard and fast rule though. Would a doctor refuse to vaccinate a 27 year old virgin? Or would they still give it to a 17 year old who has had multiple partners?

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well the premise is that it is best to get the vaccine before you start having sex (ideally) or as early as possible after that, because the more partners you have, the more likely it is to contract HPV and/ or warts. So, for a woman in her 30s with an x number of partners, it may not be as beneficial, as it is quite likely that she already has the virus. Plus, I think it is also age-related, the younger you are, the better your chances at making enough antibodies to protect you. A doctor may not refuse it either in an older woman or a younger girl with many partners, but these situations diminish your chance of full protection. That is why they recommend it for 11,12,13-year-olds. And of course having the vaccine does not mean that you completely skip your pap smears, they are supposed to work together.

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As far as the age limits go, I had a doctor rather sheepishly offer it to me in my mid 30s. I asked him what was the point, and he said probably none, but he was "supposed" to offer it to all his female patients. 

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Omg...spitdrink.gif Im not sure if its appropriate to laugh or not but...

 

Wait a minute!!

Did it work tho?!?! I was all concerned about what I should be telling my girls! I totally forgot to mention a sick vagina!! They're at youth club, Im gonna text them RIGHT NOW!!!

 

I have a 10 yo son too, whats your mom's advice to pubescent boys?


Did it work? I didn't have sex til I moved out of my parents house and my roommate dispelled all their myths. So yes it worked. However once I found out it was all lies... I hit up all branches of the military... except the coast guard... Yup I was an Air mattress.
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At this point as long as I don't use my mothers vast knowledge about sex... I'm golden

You can get pregnant by kissing
You can get a sick vagina, by touching it. Any touching at all!
You can die from having sex.
Everyone will know if you had sex, because you'll look dirty and smell bad.
You will go to hell if you have sex before you get married, and no amount of repenting will get you out of that one.
Only a married couple can have a normal baby, all others will be evil. (that means you may be getting a sick vagina if it was touched... what to do, what to do...)
Bastard children will cause you hardship and suffering you deserve, and god will not love you anymore. But he will pity you and I will have to pity you too.

There are more and when I bring this up to my mother she laughs about it. She thought scaring me would make me not do it. Or maybe she believed it after getting a case of the sick vagina...



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Oh wait one more.

Boys don't like little boobies so if you show yours they will just laugh at you.

I have learned differently of course.

the funny thing is, once I realized she was a pile of lies! It was funny and it didn't hurt my self esteem like you'd think it would.
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HPV is one of the few viruses that can be transmitted from sexual contact that is not necessarily intercourse, and is especially easy to spread.  Many teens who would not risk actual intercourse may still expose themselves other genital contact activities.  A condom may not cover all parts of the genitals that could spread the virus as well.  I think there's lots of reasons (especially emotional) to wait to have sex until one is older and in a stable relationship, I personally was nearly 19, my best friend was 23 (rare now days) and I've always told my children that waiting was a positive thing for myself and others because it gave us time to grow and not complicate our lives before being ready.  However, all the talk in the world is not a guarantee, I've worked with pregnant teens and some of them still had pretty open and positive communication with their parents and they got pregnant anyhow, and there are many not pregnant sexually active teens out there, too.  My sister in law, who had only one sexual partner previous to her husband, was dealing with a case of cervical cancer at only the age of 21, discovered during a Pap test run when she first found she was pregnant with her first child.  Not a very nice way to start motherhood, dealing with cancer treatments immediately after the baby, and one recurrence later as well.  Needless to say, she is very open with her daughters about the safety of their sexual choices, and both my nieces (they are 13 and 12) had the vaccine.  Considering that even a my daughter's husband to be could carry HPV and she could catch it even if she remains a virgin until she is married, I'm planning for my own daughter to have it as well.  It would be nice if all potential mates were virgins, but is that really the only or main criteria you would want for your daughter's future husband?  That can eliminate lots of great people that just made different choices.  Now as to the effectiveness of the vaccine, it's pretty new, and I understand being cautious with something relatively untried as to results vs risk, and I understand that some people would see the risk as too great.  Determining your comfort level is personal choice.  But I don't think making the decision based on what you think the likelihood of your daughter having intercourse is the way to go, so many things don't happen according to plan, and I'd always want to be prepared for the worst case scenario.

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Everything I have read says they offer it at such a young age because once you have been exposed to HPV, the virus won't work. And yes, there are many 13 year olds having sex, sad as it is. But my children will NOT be getting the vaccine. I have read too many horror stories about it.

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PP, you just said something I was thinking about after reading these posts yesterday.  It's sad, but true, with 1 in 4 North American women sexually assaulted and 44% of them below the age of 18.  This doesn't address the safety of the vaccine, and that may involve individual research, but as to whether the age is too young in terms of sexual exposure, unfortunately it may not be.  Here's two sites with current stats:

http://www.sexassault.ca/statistics.htm
http://www.rainn.org/statistics

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Should they be on the pill then in case they get raped?  headscratch.gif

 

If you don't think it is safe - you don't think it is safe.  

 

The talk on abstinence is interesting but somewhat irrelevant.

 

I am not skipping the HPV vax because I expect my girls to be virginal on their wedding day  - I am skipping it due to the fact it is an untried vaccine with questionable effectiveness/safety and duration of immunity.

 

 

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I found this piece from a well-credentialed scientist both compelling and though-provoking:

 

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20928-we-need-to-talk-about-hpv-vaccination--seriously.html?full=true&print=true

 

We do delayed/selective vax and are opting against this vaccine.  And for the record, I'm not "spooked" about my daughter's sexuality; I'm skeptical of this vaccine. thumb.gif


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Should they be on the pill then in case they get raped?  headscratch.gif


 


No, but hopefully the parents will have built the kind of relationship where the girl will say what happened and be taken to a hospital where she will be given the morning after pill and tested for STDs, and given the information that she needs to be tested again in 6 months.

 

Some girls don't tell so they don't receive any services. Some end up far along in their pregnancies before any one realizes what happened. A girl at my DDs school become a mother at 13 because of this. She missed days of school in MIDDLE SCHOOL to go testify against her rapist/father of her child.

 

She's a sweet girl.

 

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Instead of making up all sorts of things for the what ifs, we just need to do a better job at educating our girls. Plain and simple.

Condoms for pregnancy...
Vaccines for viruses caused by sex...
the pill... in case...
Abortion for the whoops, or because of someone hurting them...

Why can't we just teach them? All of them! I'm sick and tired of all the watch what you says and the don't offends. Why do they have to learn the hard way? Isn't that what most of us did?

By the way this isn't an abortion debate, nor am I completely against sex and contraceptives. I'm just saying I'm as careful as I am now and more aware now, not because my mom told me a thing, not because someone taught a class in high school. All because crap happened to me and I had to figure it all out on my own. Thank Judas I had good supportive friends and I'm glad I was able to support them when they needed me. I just wonder how much of that would have been different if I had known actual hard core facts. Had it always been talked about and had someone just told me a thing or two.

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The long term effectiveness of the vaccine isn't really concerning me because, for me, that's less of an issue than general effectiveness and risks.  We have more research to do.

 

I will say that I agree that straight talk, solid info, support, are all necessary.  We've had some discussions about the meaning of rape, sex that is unwanted/forced.  DD was reading a book in school this year that touched on the theme, so it provoked some good discussion, although I don't think that it was a "real" getting it--the concept is too far from her life experiences right now.  But, for me as a mom, I have so many emotions when it comes to talking w/my dd about rape, violence, etc.  It makes me so angry, and so protective.  It is the real world.  The conversations need to happen. The information and support needs to be there. My struggle is on a bigger level-but that's another conversation.

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OK now my story about this vaccine, take it for whatever you think it's worth because it is likely we will never be able to prove anything. When I was 17ish and my sister was about 14 we both got this vaccine after the first injection my sister began having very irregular periods and by the time we finished the last of the injections my little sister had stopped having them completely. Of course this took awhile to happen because it took us almost a year to finish the series but after that my sister's health took a turn for the worse, it took almost four years of constant doctors visits and tests and trips to specialists to find out that she had premature ovarian failure, basically her body had attacked her ovaries and destroyed them. Now of course there is no way to prove anything but the timeline of her illness fits uncannily well with the vaccine series and while I wouldn't say that the vaccine caused this most of my family agree that it had a role in triggering this. Due to POF my little sister will be on a lifetime of hormones (which after a couple of years of experimenting they still haven't figured out a good combination and she is constantly sick and tired) and probably face other health issues. Although I do not wish to scare people off from this vaccine if they feel that the benefits outweigh the risks I would like to caution people. Of course take my story with a grain of salt, we don't know what caused this autoimmune reaction and we probably never will. Also as far as I am aware I have not had any ill effects from this vaccine (although I had many reactions as a child according to my mom) but I have been on birth control pills the entire time so who knows what will happen when I take those artificial hormones out of my body someday. 

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If you have an autoimmune disease it lays dorment in your body until something happens, a vaccine can very well do something like this.  I have RA, my brother has something, they haven't figure his out yet, my mom has Guillan Barre.  My brothers hit him after he got his Anthrax shots and they didn't finish all of them for him.  His hair kept falling out and his thyroid went crazy.  He also has huge issues with joint pain.  My mom got her flu shot... Guillan Barre is now on the list ofs don't get the flu shot if you have...  Mine started after an accident and illness combined.  It's really a very interesting concept and more research needs to be done.  The thing is, how do you know?  I really think if you already have lots of allergies to medications it would be something to look into for yourself. 

 

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OK now my story about this vaccine, take it for whatever you think it's worth because it is likely we will never be able to prove anything. When I was 17ish and my sister was about 14 we both got this vaccine after the first injection my sister began having very irregular periods and by the time we finished the last of the injections my little sister had stopped having them completely. Of course this took awhile to happen because it took us almost a year to finish the series but after that my sister's health took a turn for the worse, it took almost four years of constant doctors visits and tests and trips to specialists to find out that she had premature ovarian failure, basically her body had attacked her ovaries and destroyed them. Now of course there is no way to prove anything but the timeline of her illness fits uncannily well with the vaccine series and while I wouldn't say that the vaccine caused this most of my family agree that it had a role in triggering this. Due to POF my little sister will be on a lifetime of hormones (which after a couple of years of experimenting they still haven't figured out a good combination and she is constantly sick and tired) and probably face other health issues. Although I do not wish to scare people off from this vaccine if they feel that the benefits outweigh the risks I would like to caution people. Of course take my story with a grain of salt, we don't know what caused this autoimmune reaction and we probably never will. Also as far as I am aware I have not had any ill effects from this vaccine (although I had many reactions as a child according to my mom) but I have been on birth control pills the entire time so who knows what will happen when I take those artificial hormones out of my body someday. 



 

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Wow, thanks for the discussion, its been very interesting.

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This has been a great thread to read through.  My oldest is only 6.5, but I have had trouble with the HPV virus in the past.  I had 2 colposcopies for abnormal pap results.  The second was positive and resulted in a LEEP (sp?) procedure, regular pap smears after and luckily all clear but it has caused a lot of stress for me, especially since I have had 2 grandparents die from terrible cancers, one when he was just 35 yo.  (Not that this would be related, but I get paranoid anyhow.)

 

So, I'm watching this issue carefully.  My (half) aunt's cancer journey began at a young age when she was treated for cervical cancer, and she died of multiple cancers at 63.  Recently I hear that at least one HPV virus which causes cervical cancer is also proving to be the cause of multiple types of throat cancer.

 

Crazy.  Scary for us paranoid folks.  Now I read terrible stories about the vaccine itself!

 

I once heard that cervical cancer was more common for women under 35.  Does anyone know about this?


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This has been a great thread to read through.  My oldest is only 6.5, but I have had trouble with the HPV virus in the past.  I had 2 colposcopies for abnormal pap results.  The second was positive and resulted in a LEEP (sp?) procedure, regular pap smears after and luckily all clear but it has caused a lot of stress for me, especially since I have had 2 grandparents die from terrible cancers, one when he was just 35 yo.  (Not that this would be related, but I get paranoid anyhow.)

 

So, I'm watching this issue carefully.  My (half) aunt's cancer journey began at a young age when she was treated for cervical cancer, and she died of multiple cancers at 63.  Recently I hear that at least one HPV virus which causes cervical cancer is also proving to be the cause of multiple types of throat cancer.

 

Crazy.  Scary for us paranoid folks.  Now I read terrible stories about the vaccine itself!

 

I once heard that cervical cancer was more common for women under 35.  Does anyone know about this?



I think statistically this is right, although I'd have to look it up again.  What I do know is that the risk of contracting the HPV that causes most types of cervical cancer is traditionally higher in the under 35 age bracket because they are more likely to have just met a monogamous partner or to have multiple or a series of partners.  Until recently, monogamous marriage by age 35 was relatively common, so STD that a person caught was more likely to rear its ugly head, and in women it often arrived silently and they later found they had cervical cancer.  I'm not sure if these types of stats will remain the same because more people are choosing later marriage and/or polygamous life styles.  I do know that by the new criteria, my doctor does a twice yearly Pap rather than yearly because of the number of years I've been in a monogamous partnership.  (I'm also over 35, but that is incidental to the situation).


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