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#1 of 6 Old 08-16-2002, 07:10 PM - Thread Starter
 
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I don't generally visit the Pre/Teen boards because my dd is only 14 mo. However, I just heard of something that I wanted to share and get comments on. Congress is trying to pass legislation to make it easy to prosecute owners of venues who put on raves, knowing that there will be drugs there, namely Ecstacy.

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http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/u...act020816.html

The rave culture is old enough that I've been to a couple myself when I was a teenager. Did I do drugs there? No. Did everyone else seem to be on drugs? Yes. But I still love the music. And, if I felt comfortable leaving my baby with a sitter at this point, I would go to a club or rave now. No, I wouldn't do drugs, because I do have a baby to care for.

About drugs in general: I don't think they should be illegal. I think that experimenting with drugs can be a mind-opening experience, and I admit to having done them myself. Just not at clubs/raves. I do realize that drugs are dangerous enough to cause serious problems, even death, the first time you take them, or even the tenth. However, I believe that the most danger comes from abusing them, ie, taking way too many doses at once or taking them throughout the week or even weekend after weekend. Drugs are designed to give the desired affect with one dose. And these kids who are overdosing on Ecstacy are taking eight tabs and more (so I remeber from reports I've heard). But I think they should be legal because I know they can be used responsibly. I have friends who are into the electronic music scene, and they very occassionally go to clubs and take some sort of mind-altering drug, sometimes illegal, sometimes legal (and I don't mean alcohol). These people also have great jobs and spend many weekends working on their house, like normal, responsible adults.

I think we really get into trouble when we try to control our kids too much. It makes them rebel so much more. But it sure is hard to keep a level head when you're talking about your own kid. I have no idea if I will forbid my dd to do drugs, or if I will simply try to educate her as much as possible (or both). And what would I do if I knew she was planning on going to a rave? I don't know. What would you moms do if you found out your kid was going to one?

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I am thinking about the use of these drugs that alter parts of the brain, sometimes permanently. What can start out as "recreational" can become an addiction for that very reason.

I would probably freak in a huge way if one of my kids was intending to go to a rave. We already chat about drugs and their effects on people, so I think by the time I have to seriously consider what she will be doing in her teen years she will be sufficiently educated in the consequences that she will be able to make an intelligent and responsible decision.

Responsible drug use just doesn't sound realistic to me, nor does it leave me feeling that there is anything responsible about such an activity.

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I can certainly understand your viewpoint. I personally believe that a person can be responsible while taking a risk. These people I know have no children, they educate themselves on what they're taking, and they both do it together (meaning not behind each other's back so one can feel betrayed if something happened to the other). I do feel it's irresponsible to take the risk with your own life if you have children to care for.

But I don't mean to get into an argument about this, for it's too volatile a subject.

I agree that it's very important to discuss drugs with your children. I did so with my parents, and I never did any during high school. But I did eventually try them, dispite all the discussions with my parents. I don't feel I'm any worse for it. But that's because I don't still do them. I'm really open minded about this , until it comes to my own child.

So, if discussion fails (as it eventually did in my case), what do you do then? Forbid your child to leave the house? Move, so they can't have contact with their old friends? Do you agree with the proposed legislation? Do you actually think it might reduce teen drug use? Or do you think it is an infrigement on our right to dance and play music? Or do you think they're right, and these raves are just an excuse to do drugs?
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MotherDove, I have to admit that the only familiarity I have with raves comes from media reports, most of which revolved around the drug use at these events. Interesting topic tho, I wonder if any other parents will chime in??

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I have frequented the rave scene myself....and far far more people than you think are not on any drugs at all..some find the whole atmostphere mind altering by itself, without any drugs. There is also generally little or no alcohol, which I find much more dangerous in a club/concert/festival atmosphere.

http://www.dancesafe.org is part of a european-begun movement called harm reduction. Giving factual information (including brain effects) of drugs so people can choose whether or not to take the...including giving out test kits so people know what they might be choosing to take. They also advocate safety issues...capacity/crowding issues, requiring sufficient free water at clubs and venues - since dehydration, not the drug itself, is the cause of most reported fatalities. And now, in the days of 6$/bottle water at concerts, it's an issue for all people, sober, drunk, or drug-using.

I found free, co-operatively sponsored raves to be far safer than for-fee promoter-run events where they cram as many people as possible in to a space to make money, or clubs with rave-nights where alcohol is served. Regulations of venues based on the kind of music is ridiculous and discriminatory. Since some of the most dangerous drunks I ever saw were at Irish folk music events, or country-western things. Let's not stereotype! Go-go music, or other black or hispanic music is also subject to these kinds of attacks.
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I totally agree that the irresponsible use is what kills(almost all the time anyways) and identify with the need to take certain risks to have certain gains- We can use the same argument with guns but I think there must be a balance, surely we dont want children using X- and there are issues where the kids are NOT responsible(capable) but believe they are...so... IMHO so its a mixed bag,
I also agree that banning Raves is wrong I could expand that to say ludicrous and anti american. I havent been to many- Im almost 42- but Ive cruised a few out of curiosity, there WERE alot of drug users ( I may be old but I used drugs for far too many years to not know what that looks like- clean now but wasnt always) but there are alot of drug/alcohol users in bars,at concerts, what the &^5*
I personally would not support legislation that would discriminate like that-
Im with whoever said they should all be legal, but then...I could change my mind <smile> I reserve and exercise that right daily!
peace! mary
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