[I'll get back this thread in a couple of days maybe. I didn't mean to offend anyone, only sincere conversation using the type of expressions I find to go right to the heart of the moment. I feel strongly about what I think. I AM interested in your conversation. It's showing me a window on something that I THINK is okay with me---it's both familiar and unfamiliar.
Again, I think we got highly charged on this thread because of the vast age differences and trends between "your kids" and "my kids."
Be that as it may, if I come off as snotty, or grossed you out, or whatever, well, I do feel that I had no choice with your argument. I think it yielded the only useful arguments. And I'll think about it some more, and write more later.