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The media paints a nasty picture of President Bush, but his job is to keep us safe right? Ask yourself, when is the last time we had a terrorist attack?
|I also don't think you can prove that most of the soldiers are against the war in Iraq.|
|For the first time, more troops disapprove of the president’s han dling of the war than approve of it. Barely one-third of service members approve of the way the president is handling the war, according to the 2006 Military Times Poll.
When the military was feeling most optimistic about the war — in 2004 — 83 percent of poll re spondents thought success in Iraq was likely. This year, that number has shrunk to 50 percent.
Only 35 percent of the military members polled this year said they approve of the way President Bush is handling the war, while 42 percent said they disapproved. The president’s approval rating among the military is only slight ly higher than for the population as a whole. In 2004, when his popularity peaked, 63 percent of the military approved of Bush’s handling of the war. While ap proval of the president’s war lead ership has slumped, his overall approval remains high among the military.
Just as telling, in this year’s poll only 41 percent of the military said the U.S. should have gone to war in Iraq in the first place, down from 65 percent in 2003. That closely reflects the beliefs of the general population today — 45 percent agreed in a recent USA Today/Gallup poll.
Professor David Segal, director of the Center for Research on Mil itary Organization at the Univer sity of Maryland, was not sur prised by the changing attitude within the military.
“They’re seeing more casualties and fatalities and less progress,” Segal said.
He added, “Part of what we’re seeing is a recognition that the in telligence that led to the war was wrong.”
You guys need to stop obscuring your world-view and your child's with your own personal ideologies! Pick up a history book, notice how there have always been soldiers and police and weapons as long as there have been people? We live in a dangerous universe. We are at the mercy of forces much greater than us, some of which are other people, and which sometimes do great ills to us. We're on a speeding spinning rock, circling a ball of fire traveling through infinite space. We are puny specs in a vast scheme where strife and suffering are built into the equation and if they weren't, man would put it there anyway to serve his greedy and selfish nature. There is no good or evil, only circumstance and survival. It's best not to preach pacifism to our kids, but put to them the facts of life and teach them to think of others. That can be more powerful than gravity.
Discussing all the points you listed broadens the gun discussion that includes your last point.
Post your thoughts on it.
I am for gun control (Switzerland, ftr, has tight gun control laws...people take their owning seriously and respectfully, fi, and their gun violence rate is low). I am not a libertarian. (Except in the case of vax, homeschooling, land ownership...and more. ) How do you square your belief in no gun control and gun violence in America today?
Does a parent who might forbid any sort of gun anything expect a child to be able to deal rationally with guns in society that he might encounter? Will a child feel shame at his/her curisotiy because he knows he hurts the parent witht his interest? Could that shame keep the child from asking the parent for help if he has encountered a gun? (In an alley, a park, a playmate's home?)
How do you let a child know that the National Guard who comes to your house in a storm (hopefully...) is different from the shoot-to-kill government robot discussed earlier. And how does one help a child to understand that calling 911 in an emergency will (usually) bring police help if your grandfather is having a heart attack...
Is fear and shame- based gun 'education' a valid way to cut down on gun interest/usage?
I'm not a gun person, but these are questions that I ask myself a lot. Having had one little guy who did like those playmobil pirates and their stuff, and who has always been a gentle person and is not as an adult interested in guns, I feel that early weaponry interest is just that...an interest... not a signal that the child will grow to be a raving psycho killer.
I think overreacting, shaming and forbidding is very often a catalyst to a more intense interest. Not always...but I've always been very careful not to impose adutl attitudes and fears on the curiosity of small children.
I would enjoy a non- hysterical (Soldiers are killers!! All cops shoot their guns randomly and often!!) discussion this complicated, multi-facitied issue.
I go back to Swizterland...nearly every male there knows how to use a gun, and owns several, yet they aren't shooting each other. Why is that? What respect to they posess that we in the US might learn from?
How to explain it to my child? There's violence in the world, like it or not. Cops have families too and in their line of work, they might come across someone who (whether in reality or not) is a threat. In order for that cop to come home to his daughter or son and wife, he has to protect himself which sometimes involves shooting his gun and sometimes involves somebody dying. I don't see what's wrong with telling children the truth without making it seem like cops are "always good" and whoever they may shoot is "always bad" because in my own personal experience, that's not accurate. In every profession, there's good ones and terrible ones. Let's pray that we only ever have to encounter the good ones.
If I or my family was being attacked or threatened by someone with a gun, I would hope responding LEO's would be armed with more than a smile and a slinky.
And I would hope they would shoot to kill, not shoot to annoy.
Okay, but crime prevention and crime solving are quite different.
I'm only addressing the first post.
My 5yo dd asked this the other day. Her daddy is a cop.
Here's what I told her:
Daddy has a gun so he can come home to us safely every day and night. Daddy hopes and prays that he never has to use it, and we always hope and pray for the same thing. But, if a criminal every tries to hurt or kill Daddy, he has that gun so he comes home safe and sound. Guns are not toys and people should never just shoot other people. But police officers have to protect others and themselves so they need their gun.
Then we talked a lot about why we don't ever want Daddy to have to use his gun. It was an important conversation.
My dh really really never wants to use his gun. I hope he is never in a situation when he has to. But, I also love my dh and you'd better believe if his life is ever in danger, I don't care what he does, I want him to come home to me and our little family.
Thanks for the question, it's an important one for kids to ask and parents to answer. Also, I don't know if your local police dept has an outreach program, but my dh is always happy to talk to children about his job, why he does it and of course why he has a gun. Kids should never fear cops, cops are their friends.
Wife to a great cop
Mama to 2.5 great kids