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MariesMama's Avatar MariesMama 02:02 PM 11-05-2009
I have a Marathon for DD that she is getting close to outgrowing RF! Really, what would you techs do in this situation? I was thinking about a Radian to keep her RF, but really??? How much more height does the Radian have than the Marathon anyway. DD is 35" tall, not sure about her torso but she's fairly proportionate.

Blahhhhhh after my whole Roundabout (original RA) fiasco I'm so not thrilled. And jealous of my friends with teeny tiny little kids.

Any advice at all would be great.

Maedze's Avatar Maedze 02:17 PM 11-05-2009
At under two, I wouldn't even consider it a question. I'd purchase a new convertible. (I'm assuming you have a 33 lb Marathon?)

I'd get the Graco My Ride, any of the Sunshine Kids' radians or the Safety First Complete Air. I would absolutely not turn a 1 year old forward facing, nor would I intimate to someone else that it was 'ok'.
MariesMama's Avatar MariesMama 02:20 PM 11-05-2009
No, it's a 35 lb Marathon. I'm just trying to plan ahead. If it were a 33 lb, I would definitely get a new seat.

Which website has the $5 seat return ... thing? I'd like to try a Radian in my car but don't have a lot of faith in it actually fitting. I drive a 2001 Saturn SL1.
Maedze's Avatar Maedze 02:25 PM 11-05-2009
I know Target will let you buy on line and return to a brick and mortar store for a full refund including shipping.

Is her weight at 32 nekkid? Or is her weight 32, fully dressed with shoes on?

If you have a 35 pound Marathon, and 32 isn't her nekkid weight, you've obviously got a little more wiggle room. In your shoes, as a parent and a technician, I would still be buying a 40 or 45 lb seat to continue rear facing.

However, there's a possibility that her growth might slow down radically and she could take a year to gain the next three pounds.

If 32 is her undressed weight, with clothes and shoes she's probably near 34, so I don't think you have much time.
Selesai's Avatar Selesai 02:57 PM 11-05-2009
I have a 33 lb 20 month old FF in a True Fit. Are you against turning her FF?
Maedze's Avatar Maedze 03:11 PM 11-05-2009
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I have a 33 lb 20 month old FF in a True Fit. Are you against turning her FF?
Neither a 22 month old nor a 20 month old belongs in a forward facing seat. The OP is very wise in exploring her options.

i strongly recommend turning your child rear facing. Having her forward facing at this age is not a safe option.
MariesMama's Avatar MariesMama 04:03 PM 11-05-2009
She is 32 lbs dressed, but without a coat. I know it could be quite a while until she actually hits 35 lbs, but it could also be next week.

Thank you for the advice. I'm going to try to find a Radian to test out in my car before making any decision
Maedze's Avatar Maedze 04:09 PM 11-05-2009
Keep in mind that puffy winter coats can't be worn in car seats...just thin polar fleece ones.

If she's 32 pounds fully dressed, you may have a fair chunk of time
goodheartedmama's Avatar goodheartedmama 04:50 PM 11-05-2009
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Keep in mind that puffy winter coats can't be worn in car seats...just thin polar fleece ones.

If she's 32 pounds fully dressed, you may have a fair chunk of time
I would still make sure you have the money saved for the seat when the time comes. It could take a year, or even two. Or it could be 3 months. My kids go through giant growth spurts, gaining 2 or 3 lbs at a time.
MariesMama's Avatar MariesMama 05:16 PM 11-05-2009
She has fleece jackets and a wool coat, and we keep a stack of blankets by the door so they're nice and warm for car rides. Those puffy coats are everywhere though! It was hard to find a coat that she could keep on in the car.
Maedze's Avatar Maedze 05:26 PM 11-05-2009
It sounds like you've got a great handle on what you need to do to keep your daughter safe. Good luck!
kirstenb's Avatar kirstenb 06:42 PM 11-05-2009
I would wait and see personally before buying something... DS is 29 months and has been holding steady at 31 pounds for a good 6 months now. I would research but wouldn't buy anything until she is 34 pounds- she may level out and stay at 32 pounds for quite a few more months.
bobandjess99's Avatar bobandjess99 09:50 PM 11-05-2009
I agree that dd might hpld her weight for quite some time...so I'd probably make sure I saved/had the money on hand for a new seat, but wouldn't rush to buy one just yet.
If the radian will work in your vehicle, it's a great bet. However, your child doesn't seem exceptionally tall, which means the nice, cheap graco myride might be a great option for you. 40 lb RF limit, with a decent, but not uber- tall shell, and cheap, $150 usually, but with coupons, could be less. I'd at least go try one out as you try out the radian.
lolar2's Avatar lolar2 01:08 AM 11-06-2009
I love how the myride came out pretty much the same day DS hit 41 pounds!
butterfly_mommy's Avatar butterfly_mommy 01:20 AM 11-06-2009
I have a 21 month old who is 32 pounds fully dressed RF in a True Fit. I will be buying him a Radian XT when he out grows the TF and have asked my family to contribute to the seat purchase instead of gifts for Christmas and his birthday. I am guesstimating him to hit 35 by Feb.
North_Of_60's Avatar North_Of_60 01:58 AM 11-06-2009
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I would absolutely not turn a 1 year old forward facing
At 21 months old she's 3 months shy of two. Hardly a 1 year old.
StoriesInTheSoil's Avatar StoriesInTheSoil 02:51 AM 11-06-2009
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At 21 months old she's 3 months shy of two. Hardly a 1 year old.
Uh... that doesn't make any sense. You are an age for a year so if a child is not yet 2, they are still 1. Would you say that a child that was 3 months from their 16th birthday should just be able to get their license because they are hardly a 15 year old?

Besides, if she's not one and not two, what the heck IS she?
North_Of_60's Avatar North_Of_60 04:12 AM 11-06-2009
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Uh... that doesn't make any sense. You are an age for a year so if a child is not yet 2, they are still 1. Would you say that a child that was 3 months from their 16th birthday should just be able to get their license because they are hardly a 15 year old?

Besides, if she's not one and not two, what the heck IS she?
There is MUCH bigger difference between a 21 month old and a 12 month old, than there is a 15 year old who's 3 months away from 16 and a 16 year old.

Calling the original poster's child a 1 year old when she is almost 2 is for dramatic effect, because it sounds way more neglectful when it's a 1 year old forward facing instead of a 2 year old.

Not that I disagree with the fact that an ALMOST TWO YEAR OLD should still be rear facing, even at 31 pounds, but I'm not going to regress her age to make her sound younger for dramatic effect. She is what she is - almost 2.
petra_william's Avatar petra_william 08:37 AM 11-06-2009
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There is MUCH bigger difference between a 21 month old and a 12 month old, than there is a 15 year old who's 3 months away from 16 and a 16 year old.

Calling the original poster's child a 1 year old when she is almost 2 is for dramatic effect, because it sounds way more neglectful when it's a 1 year old forward facing instead of a 2 year old.

Not that I disagree with the fact that an ALMOST TWO YEAR OLD should still be rear facing, even at 31 pounds, but I'm not going to regress her age to make her sound younger for dramatic effect. She is what she is - almost 2.

id say she is what she is.... she is 1.

recommendations are to keep kids rf till they are at LEAST 2 and 30 lbs is that not so?
Maedze's Avatar Maedze 11:13 AM 11-06-2009
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At 21 months old she's 3 months shy of two. Hardly a 1 year old.
I'm sure you didn't mean to be sarcastic. It must have been an accident.

A 21 month old is 1 year old. A child under two does not belong in a forward facing seat. There is no wiggle room there.

As the matter of fact, a child over two should continue to be in a rear facing convertible, as well, but those first 24 months are without a doubt the most crucial.
Maedze's Avatar Maedze 11:15 AM 11-06-2009
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id say she is what she is.... she is 1.

recommendations are to keep kids rf till they are at LEAST 2 and 30 lbs is that not so?
No, the recommendation is to keep the child rear facing in a convertible for as long as she/he fits, with the recent testing showing that a child under 24 months in a forward facing seat is FIVE HUNDRED PER CENT more likely to suffer a serious or fatal injury, AND with the knowledge since the 60s that children are best served in rear facing convertibles until around the fourth birthday.

The study showing 500% safety increased was not conducted on children over 2, as the real life data just isn't there yet. There is no reason to think that the numbers go from 500 to 0 at 24 months.

It's only been in the last six months that the US has produced multiple convertibles capable of getting most kids to the fourth birthday.

In spirt, though, you were right There is never a scenario where a forward facing 1 year old is ok.
Selesai's Avatar Selesai 11:16 AM 11-06-2009
I agree with North of 60.

And yes, I know most people on this board will tell me to put my daughter RF but I'm not concerned about it, and I don't think that it is as completely unsafe as is insinuated.
Maedze's Avatar Maedze 11:18 AM 11-06-2009
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There is MUCH bigger difference between a 21 month old and a 12 month old, than there is a 15 year old who's 3 months away from 16 and a 16 year old.

Calling the original poster's child a 1 year old when she is almost 2 is for dramatic effect, because it sounds way more neglectful when it's a 1 year old forward facing instead of a 2 year old.

Not that I disagree with the fact that an ALMOST TWO YEAR OLD should still be rear facing, even at 31 pounds, but I'm not going to regress her age to make her sound younger for dramatic effect. She is what she is - almost 2.
I think your angst is misplaced.
Maedze's Avatar Maedze 11:19 AM 11-06-2009
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I agree with North of 60.

And yes, I know most people on this board will tell me to put my daughter RF but I'm not concerned about it, and I don't think that it is as completely unsafe as is insinuated.

You would be wrong. It's not insinuated. It's researched, confirmable, verifiable fact. You can choose to put your child at risk, but it doesn't mean she is not dangerously, possibly lethally at risk, just because you wish it were so.
alegna's Avatar alegna 12:34 PM 11-06-2009
I believe that the current AAP suggestion is rf until AT LEAST 2yrs old. AND to the limits of their seat...

but I could be remembering wrong.

-Angela
Maedze's Avatar Maedze 12:43 PM 11-06-2009
No, that is not the current AAP recommendation. The recommendation in full, since 2002 has been

1. A bare minimum of 1 year and 20 pounds (reflective of the fact that child restraints really didn't go beyond that)
2. After one and 20, to the limit of the convertible
3. Child restraint manufacturers need to develop seats that will keep all children rear facing to the fourth birthday



In February of this year, they published a newsletter encouraging pediatricians to tell their parents that the old rule of 1 and 20 was outdated, and that 2 years was a better safety goal. They have not revised the official recommendation above, but they are currently evaluating changing the language.
traceface's Avatar traceface 12:50 PM 11-06-2009
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How much more height does the Radian have than the Marathon anyway.
Don't know the exact numbers but the Radian does have significantly more height. My six year old (tall) can still fit in the Radian, height-wise (forward-facing, of course)

I think you'd get years more with a Radian and could just turn it around when the time comes.
North_Of_60's Avatar North_Of_60 02:57 PM 11-06-2009
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I'm sure you didn't mean to be sarcastic. It must have been an accident.
Completely. My bad!

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A 21 month old is 1 year old. A child under two does not belong in a forward facing seat. There is no wiggle room there.
I don't disagree, but at this age there is such a big difference between 1 years old (aka, 12 months) and 21 months, that I look at a 21 month old as almost 2 and not like a "1 year old".

If this were not a conversation about car seat safety and we were talking about shoe sizes and lunch ideas, would we still be arguing over the semantics of whether or not a 21 month old is "almost two" or "a 1 year old"? I don't think anyone would have any problem calling a 21 month old almost two in the context of shoes sizes and lunch ideas. Just saying.

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I think your angst is misplaced.
Ironic...
lonegirl's Avatar lonegirl 03:46 PM 11-06-2009
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I don't disagree, but at this age there is such a big difference between 1 years old (aka, 12 months) and 21 months, that I look at a 21 month old as almost 2 and not like a "1 year old".

If this were not a conversation about car seat safety and we were talking about shoe sizes and lunch ideas, would we still be arguing over the semantics of whether or not a 21 month old is "almost two" or "a 1 year old"? I don't think anyone would have any problem calling a 21 month old almost two in the context of shoes sizes and lunch ideas. Just saying.

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I turned Tyr at 18months and he became a very happy traveller (and mommy moved back to the front). He was a good, sturdy, strong and tall boy...and was looking very crushed RF....yes...I know his legs technically mean nothing in his RF or FF. Had he been happy and able to stretch out his legs I may have kept him RF longer but I was and am happy with my decision I made.
I am not disagreeing that RF is safer...I believe it is...we should all be able to RF and have 5pt harnesses
Maedze's Avatar Maedze 06:03 PM 11-06-2009
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Completely. My bad!



I don't disagree, but at this age there is such a big difference between 1 years old (aka, 12 months) and 21 months, that I look at a 21 month old as almost 2 and not like a "1 year old".

If this were not a conversation about car seat safety and we were talking about shoe sizes and lunch ideas, would we still be arguing over the semantics of whether or not a 21 month old is "almost two" or "a 1 year old"? I don't think anyone would have any problem calling a 21 month old almost two in the context of shoes sizes and lunch ideas. Just saying.



Ironic...
Ok, let me rephrase. You're incorrectly attributing shaming intentions to me. I did not say, "one year old" to shame anyone. I said one year old because the child is a one year old. We're not talking about shoe sizes. We're talking about child restraints.

I'm interested in presenting factual material. Factual material doesn't change based on parental convenience or perception.

It really doesn't matter if the child is 'just one' or 'almost two' in terms of child restraint safety, because the child still needs to be rear facing.

If I'm talking about behavioral development, I'll frequently specify 'what kind' of 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 year old my child is...because it's relevant there. It's not relevant here.
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