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nia82 07:29 AM 02-22-2012

http://www.britax-roemer.de/auto-kindersitze/auto-kindersitze/kid-plus-sict

 

I'll fly to Europe in April-March and this is what my sister uses for her same aged son and she said could lend me. But isn't this just a high back booster? Isn't my son way too young for that? He rides in a rear-faced Radian here. I understand to swallow the bitter pill of forward facing, but not even a 5 point harness seems neglectful to me or am I wrong?

I could bring the Radian on the plane for DS to sit in but that is rather uncomfy but I guess I might have to do it. How unsafe exactly is that booster thinig? That strikes me as a seat for 7 year olds.



chel's Avatar chel 07:41 AM 02-22-2012

Looks like it starts at 33lbs like the turbo booster (30lbs).   most here feel that is a little too young, other countries are different.  I think one mom mentioned a 9m ff in Germany.

 

I think Sweden might be the only European country that is into extended rf/carseats use.


chickabiddy's Avatar chickabiddy 07:49 AM 02-22-2012

Many kids can safely use highbacked boosters before age 7, but you're right, according to US standards they are not recommended for 3yos.


nia82 08:31 AM 02-22-2012

My sister had her son ffacing at 9 months old... She laughs at me for wanting even so much as a 5 point harness! I read a little more and I do not feel safe with that booster for DS. I have two friends with toddlers so I will see if they have an appropriate seat I could borrow, worst case I will take the Radian on the plane instead of the CARES for DS and bribe bribe bribe him to be ok with it (chocolate should do ;) ).


chickabiddy's Avatar chickabiddy 08:36 AM 02-22-2012

An Evenflo Maestro is inexpensive and easy to travel with.  It is a forward-facing seat with a 50# limit and straps taller than a Radian.


Mama Metis's Avatar Mama Metis 08:38 AM 02-22-2012

Could you bring the radian and gate-check it like you might with a stroller? Just a thought...


nia82 08:46 AM 02-22-2012

I could gate check it, but it costs $70 to do so either way (no matter where you check it). I think I can just bring the Radian as it won't get dented when DS uses it, but checking it always makes me a little worried cause have you seen how they handle luggage on planes???? 


chickabiddy's Avatar chickabiddy 11:33 AM 02-22-2012

Bring the seat and use it on the plane.


Maedze's Avatar Maedze 12:17 PM 02-22-2012


No, car seats should not be checked as luggage. 

If you're flying a European airline they may well not let you use a car seat on the plane.  I'd grab an RSTV for the trip. 

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Could you bring the radian and gate-check it like you might with a stroller? Just a thought...



 


nia82 12:31 PM 02-22-2012

Lufthansa lets you use all car seats on the plane as long as they have the FAA sticker and are on a window seat/not blocking other passengers... Will do that.


Mama Metis's Avatar Mama Metis 08:05 AM 02-25-2012

I know you shouldn't check a car seat as luggage, but is it equally bad to check it at the gate, since those items aren't put in the baggage hold?This is (was?) my plan for an upcoming trip.


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No, car seats should not be checked as luggage. 

If you're flying a European airline they may well not let you use a car seat on the plane.  I'd grab an RSTV for the trip. 



 


 


chickabiddy's Avatar chickabiddy 08:07 AM 02-25-2012

It is less unsafe to gate-check than to baggage-check, but safest to use the carseat on the plane.


Maedze's Avatar Maedze 08:47 AM 02-25-2012

It is still unsafe to gate check.  Ask every family that has come away from a trip with their gate checked stroller or car seat damaged beyond use.   

You should only check a car seat if it is packed in its original cardboard box.  


Eclipsepearl's Avatar Eclipsepearl 02:32 PM 02-25-2012

The issue with the seat is if it's lost. How will you leave the airport in a car without your car seat??

 

Checking it in the original box is more an option for a pregnant woman, or like my sister who was bringing the car seat to me here. If the car seat had been "rerouted", there wasn't a child who needed it on arrival. 

 

In Europe, they ff at 6 months and go into boosters at 2 1/2. Extended rfing is impossible except up in Scandinavia. I tried in both France and Germany and I couldn't even order from the same companies who make them! I just used a Radian.


~adorkable~'s Avatar ~adorkable~ 09:43 PM 02-25-2012

is the radian a model that folds? if so does it fit in the overhead, i thought they did? bring it onboard but stow it and let your boy sit in the seat that he will be happier for the long flight.


Maedze's Avatar Maedze 10:50 PM 02-25-2012


It does fold, but this doesn't make any sense at all. If anything, the child will be happier and more comfortable in a seat that fits him.   Not to mention, substantially safer.   

Also, bringing a seat onboard and then not using it turns it into a carry on. 

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is the radian a model that folds? if so does it fit in the overhead, i thought they did? bring it onboard but stow it and let your boy sit in the seat that he will be happier for the long flight.



 


~adorkable~'s Avatar ~adorkable~ 11:00 PM 02-25-2012


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Originally Posted by Maedze View Post


It does fold, but this doesn't make any sense at all. If anything, the child will be happier and more comfortable in a seat that fits him.   Not to mention, substantially safer.   

Also, bringing a seat onboard and then not using it turns it into a carry on. 



 



the OP mentioned that he didn't like staying in his seat and that she would have to bribe him, i simple suggest that she can bring on board to keep it safe and not have to make the kid sit in it for the long flight. its an option, i would not want to fuss with a kids that wanted out of his seat for the whole flight to europe! as for it being a carry on, if the kid has a seat then he also is allowed a carry one

 

as for "substantially safer" .... than what? the safety of a airplane flight is pretty friggin substantially safe to start off with. i worry about tons of things, that is not one of them and i fly 6-8 times a year. 2x as safe as something that is 99.9999 safe is not really much safer (of course I'm making these numbers up for the point I'm making)


Maedze's Avatar Maedze 07:44 AM 02-26-2012

I am really not in the mood to argue with someone who doesn't understand that there is a reason for safety recommendations.   Children under 40 lbs do NOT fit well or safely in lap belts.  

Car seats are used just like seat belts on planes.  If the fasten seatbelt light is on, the child should be appropriately buckled into his restraint.  If the light is not on, the child can be unbuckled.  

The child is only allowed an additional carry on if the seat is USED as a seat, not taking up space in an overhead bin.  
 

 


~adorkable~'s Avatar ~adorkable~ 09:01 AM 02-26-2012
Oh please let's not start the argument about kids on planes and there is no need to sound like your talking down to me. It's a valid position, both of them, and both are legal and accepted my the masses.

As for the car seat, if it was in a bag and within the size limits, who cares the contents of the carry on. The rules on the last plane I was on was that it was a free EXTRA carry on only because it was being used, otherwise it counted against your total allowed carryon count.
Eclipsepearl's Avatar Eclipsepearl 02:51 PM 02-26-2012

My child was much happier and more comfortable seated in her Radian than in the regular airplane seat. It lifts them up so they can see better out the window, or to see the individual movie screens. It also lifts their feet out of the killer "kick zone" if there's a row in front of you. Have him sit in it for take-off and landing and if he's still unhappy, fold it and slide it on the ground. You could also try loosening the straps. A safety compromise? Probably, but a very small one during the "cruise portion" of the flight. 

 

If you bring it on board as a carry-on, it will count against your carry-on limit, which these days is only 1 bag per person. The Radian fits down the aisle, if you put it on a luggage cart. Too easy to take it to your row. 


nia82 07:39 AM 02-27-2012

Maedze: That is why we have a CARES harness. You attach it to the plane seat and it makes a 4 point harness, much safer than just a lapbelt. That would have been my 1st preference to use on the plane.

 

Thanks guys, I will bring the Radian. I will have to practice collapsing it and such, what a pain ;) I will put it in the travel bag I have for it to carry it over my shoulder, while I am wearing DD and pulling my carryon (sounds like fun times!).

 

What shocks me more is that my sister said my nephew weighs a little under 13kg. The referenced booster they use is for kids weighing 15kg or more. I don't understand how people can be so casual about car seat safety when this is statistically the most likely bad thing to happen to you?


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