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phathui5's Avatar phathui5 01:12 PM 08-15-2008
Several answers come to mind:

Not a snowball's chance in hell.

Never ever.

No way.

It's not worth the risk for me. You would be safer putting the toddler in a car with no car seat because then at least if someone else hits you, there's your car between toddler and the road.

Getz's Avatar Getz 01:15 PM 08-15-2008
Nope. No way. Maybe he is a safe driver, but who knows about the other drivers?

I am a safe driver and was still hit head on by another driver. There was nothing I could have done to avoid her, it just happened.

Is the event that important that he can't find a safer way to get into town?
MillingNome's Avatar MillingNome 01:31 PM 08-15-2008
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Originally Posted by riaketty View Post
That's a great way to think about it. And the answer is no... so, we'll figure something else out. Thanks for the input, guys.



I ride a motorcycle and still can't imagine taking a baby wrapped to me on it. Since my kids are older now, we're thinking of getting a sidecar because the kids might think it's fun. But no way would I consider an infant, legal or not.
frog's Avatar frog 01:34 PM 08-15-2008
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When I was a toddler, my dad would take me on his bike strapped to his chest with a bungee cord. I think a mei tai is an improvement on that.

guest9921's Avatar guest9921 01:34 PM 08-15-2008
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over my dead body
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GuildJenn's Avatar GuildJenn 01:39 PM 08-15-2008
I just wanted to mention that at 13 months, your toddler's head still very much is large for the muscles in her neck. (This is one reason bicycle carriers are not recommended under a year of age, and the reason rear facing is safer).

With a helmet on, her head will be even heavier, even with the lighter weight DOT helmets (which of course are essential). Going over bumps could cause injury, and a slip or an accident could result in spinal cord damage - this is why it's important to keep the straps tight in a carseat; young children's necks have a very hard time with whiplash. I don't think a mai tai is going to support her neck.

And not to add smarmy advice or anything, if this is really the route to the hospital - in case of, say, head injury or back injury or even vomiting - it's really not in my opinion doable. I think getting the brakes fixed on the van needs to be a priority (easy to say from the outside, I know).
lalaland42 02:12 PM 08-15-2008
Some (not motor) bike shops will rent bikes and bike trailers for the day. Five miles isn't that far for Daddy to walk or bike himself.

I recently saw the immediate aftermath of a helmetless motorcyclist versus car at 30 mph. It was the car's driver's fault (she was making a U turn and didn't see the motorcycle) but it didn't really matter since the motorcyclist was dead. Count me in the no way in hell camp.
mama2toomany's Avatar mama2toomany 02:24 PM 08-15-2008
I know you probably have seen all the responses you want to but I figured I couldn't read and not reply.


Umm.. NO way!

I lost an uncle to a motorcycle accident, and he had his 12 yr old son with him. Luckily the son lived because he was behind my uncle. But he will never walk again.


Why not take a bus, bike ride, or even easier! Call a Cab!

Good Luck!
Stinkerbell's Avatar Stinkerbell 02:27 PM 08-15-2008
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Originally Posted by iamthesmilingone View Post


I ride a motorcycle and still can't imagine taking a baby wrapped to me on it. Since my kids are older now, we're thinking of getting a sidecar because the kids might think it's fun. But no way would I consider an infant, legal or not.
Me, too. I'm a biker girl, all my life. But no way would I let my little ones on one unless in a sidecar! My sons were 5 or so before I let them hold on and go for a very slow ride around the (very private and small) block.

IF he got hit, dumped the bike or other tragedy, a 13 month old strapped to his chest has pretty much no chance of escaping.
starshine1001's Avatar starshine1001 02:32 PM 08-15-2008
ACK! NO! I've seen some crappy stuff in my days as a nurse that were the product of motorcycle accidents. Not good. Like really yucky not good. Go with those awesome momma bear instincts that you have and give him the big ole' negatory on that one.
Elowyn's Avatar Elowyn 02:54 PM 08-15-2008
Yeah, have to go with the others here. Worlds of no. I don't care how good/responsible he is - there are way too many other morons out there (drunk/oblivious/whatever) and I've seen far too many car vs motorcycle wrecks to ever want a toddler involved in one.
aniT's Avatar aniT 03:04 PM 08-15-2008
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There's a reason we drop our babies when we're falling, and it's not to put our hands out to save ourselves. A doctor told me this one after I fell and dropped my 4-month-old dd in the process. I was distraught that my instincts hadn't taken over and had me clutching her tight, even as I fell. That's what I felt should have happened. And he said: If I hadn't been able to separate her from me, 150 pounds of me, plus speed and gravity, would have come down on 16 pounds of her. Bad. Bad. Bad.
Uhh that doesn't sound right at all.

I fell when DD2 was about 10 months. There was a hole in the grass at DD1's school that was ankle deep and I stepped in it. (hidden by the grass being even with the hole) As I went down I twisted to the side so that DD would land on top of me. I f'ed up my ankle in the process. The school got a chair with wheels and wheeled me to the car strapped the babe in her seat.. and I drove to DH's work to take me to the doctor. (It was my left ankle.)

I also fell down several stairs when my youngest was a few months old again I rolled so he would land on top.

OP, I would not be comfortable with that at all. But it could be worse, my brother remembers his dad stuffing him in the saddle bags (fiberglass ones) of his motorcycle to take him to the babysitter. (5 blocks) He couldn't have been more than a year old since my mom divorced him before my bro was 2.
frontierpsych's Avatar frontierpsych 03:05 PM 08-15-2008
My mom-instinct would be screaming no, but...

I rode on the motorcycle with my dad from the time I was a toddler. I still ride with him when I visit.
SleeplessMommy's Avatar SleeplessMommy 03:06 PM 08-15-2008
At what age is it considered safe(er) to have a child on the back of a motorcycle or scooter ... assuming a safe experienced driver, daylight hours, no alcohol involved, not highway driving, etc?

Any link to statistics?
mistymama's Avatar mistymama 03:31 PM 08-15-2008
NO WAY.

It's not about your dh being a safe driver, it's about who else might happen to be out on the road that day .. you just never know, and it's a huge risk.

A few months ago my uncle was sideswiped by a drunk driver. It was 7am! And on a rural, rarely used road. You never know who is going to be out on those roads, and 13 months old? So much could happen with just the slightest fall off that motorcycle.
Think of Winter's Avatar Think of Winter 03:51 PM 08-15-2008
Never.

I'm sure you don't want to think about what would happen to your child if they fell off the bike while it was moving, but maybe your dh should.

Motorcycles are called "donor mobiles" by transplant teams.

ETA: Good for you!! Just saw your follow-up.
TiredX2's Avatar TiredX2 03:58 PM 08-15-2008
Another "no".

I didn't even know DOT helmets came in toddler size, though. DS is almost 7 and takes a child's medium, DS is 9 and wears a child's large. I can't imagine a 13 month old able to safely wear any motorcycle helmet (so heavy and big).

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Originally Posted by SleeplessMommy View Post
At what age is it considered safe(er) to have a child on the back of a motorcycle or scooter ... assuming a safe experienced driver, daylight hours, no alcohol involved, not highway driving, etc?

Any link to statistics?
No statistics. Both my kids have ridden a couple times on the back of DP's cycle. Long pants & shirts, sweatshirts, boots and full face helmets. That was to go around the neighborhoood Before they can go out of the neighborhood DP wants them to have full gear (pants, jacket, gloves).
Kristine233's Avatar Kristine233 04:07 PM 08-15-2008
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Originally Posted by earthmama369 View Post
There's a reason we drop our babies when we're falling, and it's not to put our hands out to save ourselves. A doctor told me this one after I fell and dropped my 4-month-old dd in the process. I was distraught that my instincts hadn't taken over and had me clutching her tight, even as I fell. That's what I felt should have happened. And he said: If I hadn't been able to separate her from me, 150 pounds of me, plus speed and gravity, would have come down on 16 pounds of her. Bad. Bad. Bad.
Really? I've never heard of this. I'm extremely klutzy and have fallen a TON while holding my kids. Even fell down stairs. I've never dropped them. I've screwed up ankles, wrists, tons of blood etc all from protecting my kids in falls. Dh even fell out of his big truck while holding our DD (when she was a baby) and he got pretty banged up but he held onto and protected her.

Dh even has a video of me falling while babywearing, its pretty hysterical. (All parties were uninjured)
onlyzombiecat's Avatar onlyzombiecat 04:22 PM 08-15-2008
No. That really doesn't seem like a safe set up to risk even if it isn't illegal.

If there was a accident I'd think the child would have little chance of avoiding serious injury or death even with a helmet. I would think being strapped to a heavy adult body would be seriously dangerous.

If you can't have dp drop you off and use your car that day or get the van brakes fixed or get child care for the event then I think Dad should miss the event.
Papooses's Avatar Papooses 06:05 PM 08-15-2008
Being ejected from a vehicle = 4 times the risk of death Being ejected from a motorcycle is obviously much more likely than being ejected from a car.... It might also be illegal in some states.

My kid's dad would be sleeping on the porch for even asking in the 1st place.
lucky_mia's Avatar lucky_mia 02:12 AM 08-16-2008
No, never, not ever, wouldn't even entertain the thought.
BeckC's Avatar BeckC 03:33 AM 08-16-2008
No way on God's green Earth.

I would do anything other than that - skip the event, ask a friend, call a taxi, walk... Anything besides strap a baby to my body and go driving down the road with nothing but hope and a helmet for protection from the asphalt.
Papooses's Avatar Papooses 10:14 AM 08-16-2008
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Originally Posted by SleeplessMommy View Post
At what age is it considered safe(er) to have a child on the back of a motorcycle or scooter ... assuming a safe experienced driver, daylight hours, no alcohol involved, not highway driving, etc?

Any link to statistics?
There aren't any statistics re: kids on motorcycles that I can find. The standard answer is simply that motorcycles aren't really safe to begin with so no one who is too young to be driving it should be on it.

Here's a helpful Motocycle Safety resource > http://www.trafficsafety.org/worklif...ycle/main.html

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Motorcycles are the most dangerous type of motor vehicle to drive.

Motorcyclists were 35 times more likely than passenger car occupants to die in a crash * in 2006, per vehicle mile traveled, and 8 times more likely to be injured.

Although motorcycles account for only 2% of vehicles on the road, they make up more than 10% of all crashes.
That being said, as a grown adult I might enjoy a ride once in a while assuming the bike is properly cared for & with a skilled, defensive driver.... I would never allow my child to ride *at least* until she were old enough to begin learning the proper care & safe driving skills herself. Even then, it would be extremely rare & well monitored.

* car crashes are the leading cause of death for kids to begin with
aaronsmom's Avatar aaronsmom 03:51 PM 08-16-2008
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. Not.Ever.
One day DH asked me if he could ride 2.5 yo DS around on the ATV in the yard. With a helmet. At 5 mph. And obviously no other traffic. But I said no.
Call me a worry wort but if I wouldn't let him do that there's no way in hell I'd let DH ride him on the motorcycle.
MommyJoia's Avatar MommyJoia 04:19 PM 08-16-2008
while I am aware that OP has decided against this, I just wanted to chime in that all the baby carriers/mei tais/slings I have bought come with safety disclaimers stating to NEVER wear your baby in a moving motor vehicle. I think that would include a motor cycle.

and, no, I would not allow it.
Papooses's Avatar Papooses 05:26 PM 08-16-2008
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I just wanted to chime in that all the baby carriers/mei tais/slings I have bought come with safety disclaimers stating to NEVER wear your baby in a moving motor vehicle.
That is good to know & yes I would say a motorcycle counts
Ironica's Avatar Ironica 02:06 AM 08-17-2008
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That's a great way to think about it. And the answer is no... so, we'll figure something else out. Thanks for the input, guys.
Glad to hear it. ;-)

If he was online right now, I'd ask a friend of mine who uses a motorcyle as his main transportation and has been in a bad motorcycle accident (sideswiped by a pickup that didn't see them). He also is "uncle" to his girlfriend's toddler, and isn't going to Burning Man because he can't find a way to ride a (non-motor) bike on the playa with the LO in tow that meets with his approval for convenience and safety.

*Before* he was in the accident, he took a motorcycle driver's course, got the special M-class driver license, and wouldn't dream of going anywhere without not just his helmet, but also jeans and a leather jacket. I heard him speak quite disdainfully of folks riding down the highway in shorts and a t-shirt. Since almost losing his leg (massive compound fracture, four months until he could get out of a wheelchair... doctor looked at the x-rays the next day and said "Wow, great work! Usually with that much tissue damage, they just amputate!"), he wears body armor every time he rides. Doesn't matter if it's 90 degrees out; he gets fully suited up.

They don't make body armor in size 12-18 months, I'm guessing. I can't see him taking little V out on the motorcycle (though I bet... ok, I hope... it's illegal here in Cali).
justKate's Avatar justKate 01:59 PM 08-17-2008
I have an acquaintance who has his motorcycle rigged specifically to accomodate his 5 year old. Special supports BEHIND him, set of handlebars for the kid BEHIND him, and an attachment sort of contraption that keeps the kid from tipping off. Kid has his own leather and helmet. Even with this, he only rides on the military base (where the speed limit is (no kidding) 15mph.

Not something I would do, but I guess there are ways to "accomodate" kids somewhat more safely on motorcycles....
nextcommercial's Avatar nextcommercial 02:26 PM 08-17-2008
I can't imagine it here in my town. But up in a small town North of the valley, parents do it all the time. Especially on Quads.

SO. Honestly? I think it depends on what the roads are like, and how fast he plans to drive.

I couldn't be comfortable with it. But, maybe if I lived where you live, I might think it's safe.
boatbaby's Avatar boatbaby 03:44 AM 08-18-2008
When I was a baby my dad rode me around in his motorcycle... I was in a canvas army backpack on his back! :

And to answer the OP's question, no freaking way!
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