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I swear, every toddler I see around here is forward facing- even ones who I'm sure are smaller than my DD (21 months and 25 lb. soaking wet).

Why don't more people know about ERF? Even our pediatrician said we should turn her around if she is kicking the seat I just don't understand why it's so uncommon to rearface toddlers. Makes me want to get the word out!
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My DD2 i just a couple months older then your DD and she is the only toddler I know still RFing. What is ironic to me though is that Britax seats are everywhere here, most moms I know own one or several, even Regents, but no ERF.

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I only know one other mom in the area who is still RF their toddler. I just talked a new mom yesterday about it, and she seemed really interested. But her baby is only 3 weeks.

I mostly see kids being turned FF at around 10 months. Seriously.
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I don't see it around here at all! What's even worse is that most kids go to a regular seatbelt at 4yrs, if that. My toddler made it to about 20mo since he's all torso & already 30lbs, but he'll be harnessed for quite some time in his new Nautilus
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I had to fight with the town's car seat inspection officer to keep DD's seat rearfacing (I was having a new one installed after a minor accident). She was 15 months old at the time.

The other tech backed me up and said he was thrilled to see someone working with the maximums of their seat limits, not the minimums. He said often they have to turn parents away who want to forward face their 9 month olds, because, "they're close enough, right?" Uhm, no, law is 1 year AND 20 pounds, not either/or, and NOT 9 months and 16 pounds. Sigh.
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nope....too inconvenient
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Not here!! My neice was FF the day she turned 1... my ds is only 25 lbs and although he's tall he'll be rear facing until 30 lbs per the carseat manufacturer. It seems like everyone around here turns FF right at a year old. Even my dad who is an engineer recently asked me when he can go forward! He of all people should know the laws of physics.

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I don't see it around here at all! What's even worse is that most kids go to a regular seatbelt at 4yrs, if that. My toddler made it to about 20mo since he's all torso & already 30lbs, but he'll be harnessed for quite some time in his new Nautilus
Ugh! Ds is 6yo, 60lbs and 54 or 55 inches tall. He is still in his booster and will be there until he hits 57 inches!!!!

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Nope! I only know one other toddler who is RF, and that's because they were actually interested in the e-mails I sent out to all of my friends who are parents. They had me check their car seat install too.

Mostly, I have friends who are knowingly using their car seats incorrectly and don't care.

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No, not at all. In fact, I only know one other 2.5-3 yo that is still in a 5 pt harness other than DS! Everyone I know is putting their 2.5, 3 and 4 yo in BACKLESS boosters!! :
I try to spread the word and tell people that not only is that ILLEGAL it's totally unsafe but everyone already thinks I'm just a crazy hippie.

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I honestly don't know how most of my friends and aquaintances set up their carseats.

Most familes i know with toddlers also have older kids (since we would be socializing with the older kids), most of them have minivans- making it pretty hard to see the carseat setup from outside the vehicle. Unless we happen to be parked right next to them, AND leaving or arriving at the exact same moment they are, I woudln't be able to see inside their cars.

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Ugh! Ds is 6yo, 60lbs and 54 or 55 inches tall. He is still in his booster and will be there until he hits 57 inches!!!!
Unfortunately OH has really bad laws. Technically, my toddler could ride in the AOE as a booster & he's not even 2!!! :

We're doing the best we can with our budget to follow best practice. Our new baby is much smaller than his brother so I'm sure he'll RF for a long time.

I try to educate people when I can. I carry ERF Handouts to stores with a baby department. Some people seem interested. My neighbor acted like she wanted to turn her 1yo little girl back around, but then never did though.
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Sadly, no.

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Heck, half the toddlers here aren't even in carseats. They are either in backless boosters or even bouncing around in the backseat. : To quote my BIL, "Accidents only happen on the highway." :
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I rarely see a toddler rear facing. I know before he saw the statistics, DH was really excited about turning DS around when he turned one so he could "see better". I think that's a common line of thinking.

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Around here, everyone is ff and half of them are in expired car seats. I'm thinking about printing out something to let them know that carseats expire. (All overhead sheild seats are expired, right?)

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Nope.

In fact the vast majority of people I know/see turn their kids before their 1st bday. Once they outgrow the bucket they go FF...or as soon as they hit 20lbs regardless of age they go FF.

My DS RF longer than anyone around here, and I switched him at around 2 years (he was 29lbs, 34 in).

A lot of kids my DS age (3.5) are already in non-harnessed booster seats!

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ds is 7 mos and over 20 lbs.. he is still rear facing ... hes getting to big for the darn bucket but I dont want to put him foward facing yet...and we have been looking for a careseat solution for our very tall heavy baby that is not hey just him in the foward facing toddler seat. what is this ERF? it sounds like something i could use.
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Sadly, no. A friend of mine keeps telling me that I "need" to turn DD FF because "it's about strength" and "she'll be so much happier". The latter is probably true but I don't care how strong she is -- she'll be ERF until she reaches the upper limits of rear facing for her seat (which I think is 30lbs ... and she's only 19ish at 17 months).

She's never known forward facing so she doesn't know she's "missing" anything. We have the car seat mirror angled so I can see her and she can see me -- she makes faces at herself, plays peek a boo with me, reads books, and listens to whatever children's music I don't feel will drive me batty at the moment. We have our moments of fussiness but generally it's okay. I don't see any of this any reason to turn her FF when I know she's so much safer the way she is.

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ds is 7 mos and over 20 lbs.. he is still rear facing ... hes getting to big for the darn bucket but I dont want to put him foward facing yet...and we have been looking for a careseat solution for our very tall heavy baby that is not hey just him in the foward facing toddler seat. what is this ERF? it sounds like something i could use.
ERF just means extended rear facing- having your toddler in a rear facing seat after she reaches 1 year and 20 lbs. It's safer to keep them rear facing until they reach the weight limit of the seat (many seats rear face to 33 or 35 lbs now).

I'm sure people on this forum could give you great recommendations for a rear facing convertible seat for your LO!
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I'll admit I peak inside everyone else's car at Gymboree (DS is in the 16 to 22 month class) only one family has their children still rear-facing other then us (they have twin girls). It is really sad since a number of the kids are smaller then DS and he is only 25 pounds and 33 inches.

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I had never even heard about ERF until reading it on MDC-- even then didn't know what it was!
We have RF until one, even though grandparents kept saying the "he'll be happier, he's big/strong enough" etc etc...
now have to go see what the upper limits of our seat is!

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It's not the norm but I do see lots of people FFing beyond 12 mos. Most people I know have turned their toddlers between 18-24 mos. I know several 2 and 3 yr. olds that could still be RFing but aren't. Still, it's better than most places.
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My son is the only toddler I know who is still rear facing. Everyone flipped their kid at a year. One friend of mine expressed surprise when she saw we were RF, and when I explained briefly why it's safer she said, "Well I just thought it would be better since you can use the tether when it's facing forward..." I started to explain that that doesn't really make a difference, but she was clearly uninterested and just didn't want to hear it so I dropped it.

It's so weird to me when people just make things up, and don't actually do any research. It must be nice, maybe I'll start doing it. "We need to get a car with a seat-warmer. Because it's safer. It, um, keeps my bum from becoming hypothermic."

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I think it might be a *little* more common around here. I think I've seen kids that look older than 1 RFing. Only one other family I know ERFs though.

Unfortunately I COULDN'T ERF that long because my son hit 33 lbs at 13/14months. Which sucks cause I totally would have.

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I think it might be a *little* more common around here. I think I've seen kids that look older than 1 RFing. Only one other family I know ERFs though.

Unfortunately I COULDN'T ERF that long because my son hit 33 lbs at 13/14months. Which sucks cause I totally would have.
i feel like this is so going to be me. 20 lbs 8oz at 7 mos... i think he might hit 33 before 18mos. plus hes tall.. he kicks the back of the seat when hes in the bucket
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i feel like this is so going to be me. 20 lbs 8oz at 7 mos... i think he might hit 33 before 18mos. plus hes tall.. he kicks the back of the seat when hes in the bucket
lol...my ds was 22 lbs by 3 months (and out of his bucket seat) so there is hope for you yet. Plus a lot of kids slow down in their growth after a year or so....They grow really fast that first year.. My ped always comments that she is surprised that my ds hasn't slowed down yet at 2 yrs (he's now 40 lbs and 40" tall), she said she's sure I am waiting for that too because of how much clothing I must have to buy lol..

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Kicking the rear seat means nothing. Kid can still ride rear facing with their legs bent, or folded against the backseat, even.

I'd far rather deal with a broken leg than any of the myriad disasterous outcomes of a collision with a small child FFing.

Here's a page with some images of older/taller/bigger toddlers ERFing: http://www.cpsafety.com/articles/stayrearfacing.aspx
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No, I'm not sure if we know anybody else who did ERF. Each of our kids were turned around just before they turned three. This was in Eastern Canada.

People are so anxious to turn their kids. I honestly think there are friends and family who avoid the whole topic of conversation with me because they're hell bent on turning their kids and don't want to hear from me that what they're doing something that is less than ideal. They know that our kids ERF for a reason, but they are just desperate to get baby FF.

Sadly, there are a lot of people who will do what the government legislates, and not one ounce or one inch more. It's depressing.

Honestly though, after having RF toddlers, a FF two year old looks as wrong to me as a forward facing two week old.

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Some of the people I personally know have turned their kids early, despite knowing best practice. I have recently seen a few strangers with younger rear facing toddlers. Yesterday, the car beside us at the grocery had a RF toddler. She was maybe 15 or 16 months. It was nice to see.
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