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In a nutshell, I need some creative new ideas to push my 9 year old to get proficient at reading, I am feeling super neglectful or something, I've been very child led and he has NO interest, it's almost an argument these days.

 

Back end of the story is that I was working for a few years, and he was in a private waldorf school that was ALL french.

He basically learned nothing, all that tuition down the drain, we pulled him out and decided to homeschool again when we moved back to our province and I was not working.

 

Has anyone dealt with anything like this before?

How can you entice a reluctant reader to get proficient without being forceful and too directed.

My other kids are all fine with the process of learning to read, it's the one thing I feel firmly about because reading alone can open up so many self directed doors.  (my experience as a kid)

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ANy programs at the public library? Maybe he just needs someone else to get him going (ie not mom the authority figure) or maybe there is a pets/animals reading program out there? Pay a high school kid to 'tutor' him?

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I opted out of unschooling the reading. Same with REAL basic math, and writing. I told him that those things are his "toolbox" that he will need in order to pursue the things he really loves. And I treaded really lightly with what I made him do. It was not rigorous by any stretch. (Talk about walking on eggshells!) Ours didn't really click with the reading until he was about 6 or 7, I think. I was so nervous about that! Now I can switch my nervousness to math.  :-)

 

He really doesn't want to be TAUGHT math (and who can blame him), yet with no evidence of self-teaching going on it is easy to get nervous. He sort of refuses to do those everyday things that one needs math for (cooking is "boring" and with regards to his allowance and saving up for/buying toys, he just throws up his hands....but we have been guilty of rescuing him, which will stop.) He has told me (as we bid the math tutor goodbye) that he wants to teach himself. I'm all on board with that and now want to find some good resources and/or books or games that he can have and just pick up and work with whenever he wants. I ordered two things from Amazon today:

 

--a "Math Shark" learning toy and

--a copy of "Homeschooling our Children, Unschooling Ourselves" because clearly I need it.

 

 

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ANy programs at the public library? Maybe he just needs someone else to get him going (ie not mom the authority figure) or maybe there is a pets/animals reading program out there? Pay a high school kid to 'tutor' him?



 

Good idea, I don't know if I would flaunt it around my local library that my 9 year old kid cannot read properly that would be asking for trouble! LOL 

However I like the idea about maybe asking an older kid to help out. He's not to phased by pets, we have 4 after all.

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I opted out of unschooling the reading. Same with REAL basic math, and writing. I told him that those things are his "toolbox" that he will need in order to pursue the things he really loves. And I treaded really lightly with what I made him do. It was not rigorous by any stretch. (Talk about walking on eggshells!) Ours didn't really click with the reading until he was about 6 or 7, I think. I was so nervous about that! Now I can switch my nervousness to math.  :-)

 

He really doesn't want to be TAUGHT math (and who can blame him), yet with no evidence of self-teaching going on it is easy to get nervous. He sort of refuses to do those everyday things that one needs math for (cooking is "boring" and with regards to his allowance and saving up for/buying toys, he just throws up his hands....but we have been guilty of rescuing him, which will stop.) He has told me (as we bid the math tutor goodbye) that he wants to teach himself. I'm all on board with that and now want to find some good resources and/or books or games that he can have and just pick up and work with whenever he wants. I ordered two things from Amazon today:

 

--a "Math Shark" learning toy and

--a copy of "Homeschooling our Children, Unschooling Ourselves" because clearly I need it.

 

 



Yes this is tough sometimes isn't it! I like your idea about the "tool box" it's basically so true isn't it? my guy will do math, it's just the reading! But when you think about it if you want to teach yourself how to do math you at least have to know how to read ;) 

I will check out that book you ordered, perhaps I need it as well!

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My eldest boy is about to be 18. We unschooled for several years, he attended a Waldorf school for a couple years, then homeschooled with support thru our local charter school and now he is a senior on campus of the same school. He was NEVER interested in reading (I and my next two boys were all self taught early readers). I held the position that he would learn when he was ready and reassured myself with stories of kids who didn't read till 10 or 12 or 16 even. While in the Waldorf school, he was evaluated and determined to have some learning issues with reading. Since he has been in a more regular school system, I have tried to get him some more assistance but they haven't been able to do anything particularly helpful, just kind of inch him along towards graduation. He gets by, but will probably never be proficient or derive great pleasure from reading. I say all this not to discourage you from trying, by all means, don't deprive him, but  #1, he may need some real help/tutoring by someone who knows about specific issues (not what we have in mind when we choose unschooling, but sometimes necessary) and  #2 he may need to focus more on his strengths and interests as he grows (what we do like about unschooling smile.gif). My son is great with anything hands on, he has an innate sense about music (I am NOT musical) and he has a very high "social intelligence" (also not my strong suit), so while it would be good if he was more of a reader (I totally agree with your last sentence), he seems to have a different path and different methods to get where he is going. For all he doesn't read, he gets out and actually DOES, which is great. Make sense?

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One big question is, do you want to stick with ideas in the unschooling vein, or try other ideas somewhere outside of that?  These kinds of issues can really test the resolve of unschooling parents.  Where do you find yourself now?


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In an unschooling light:  what activity/ skill/ hobby with inspire him to read?  Maybe we're not talking literature here.  You might never convince him to sit down and read a good work of fiction, or critically acclaimed non-fiction, but you could entice him to do some functional reading if he's doing something motivating.  Robotics, for example.  Also a good idea: let him loose with this activity and let another trusted adult gently mentor him.  Kids can be like brick walls around their own parents.  Like you haven't noticed! thumb.gif


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I've shared this before, but with my later reader, "not reading" became part of her self-identity.  She seemed to believe that reading was just not something she'd ever do well, and so she was very reluctant to try, because who wants to work at something and not succeed, KWIM?

 

We ended up trying a few different programs-- Time4Learning, ReadingEggs, and finally ProgressivePhonics.  ProgressivePhonics.com is a completely free website with primers you can either download and printout or read on the computer.  The primers have funny little stories, and the child only reads the large red words on the page-- you would read the rest.  So it takes a lot of the pressure off, and lets the stories be a little more interesting than "Fat cat sat on mat".

 

I did have to announce to my dd that we would be working on reading every day.  She didn't always like it, but it was only 10 minutes or less, so it wasn't a huge struggle.  In a few months, she was able to do basic reading on her own, and she has built on that over the last year and half, and now reads about grade level and enjoys it.

 

In addition to trying some kind of formal program, have you had his eyes checked?  Also, here's a list of dyslexia symptoms: http://www.dyslexia.com/library/symptoms.htm

 

Best of luck.  I know how hard this is!

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I am bribing my daughter.  Yeah, very non USy - but whatever works.  Reading is important.

 

DD, my soon to be 9 yr old, can read, but rarely does.  

 

She would like an allowance - so I have decided to link it to reading for now.  1$ per small book, 2$ for bigger ones.  It has a cap of 10$ per month.

I am going to do this for a few months - and then maybe morph into a reading for charity program - such as MS Readathon, or this organisation:

 

:http://www.wegivebooks.org/

 

I have also taken to reading alongside her.  I literally invite her upstair, we cuddle up under the blankets, and read.  

 

Hopefully the above will help her catch the reading bug!

 

You can also try books on tape (maybe get him sneakily hooked on an easy series - then start getting him the paper format) as well as books online, such as Tumblebooks.  Tumblebooks is free through with my library card (Ontario)  - check out what online free books your library offers for kids.

 

http://www.tumblebooks.com/library/asp/customer_login.asp?accessdenied=%2Flibrary%2Fasp%2Fhome%5Ftumblebooks%2Easp

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Kathy-- what seemed to really help my daughter break through was a book club.  She would read the books because she wanted to fit in during the discussion, and it got her to practice and improve her skills, and also exposed her to better books than what she was choosing on her own, so she could see the point to reading.  So many of those "fun" books people put out that are supposed to appeal to reluctant readers are such junk, they aren't worth the effort to read, at least for her, but she'd picked up on the implication that those "other" books were worse than the "fun" books, and wouldn't consider them.

 

I'd definitely recommend starting a book club, if the idea is even remotely appealing.

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As far as reading motivation goes, how about video games? They often have enough text to make an inability to read frustrating, but unlike a book, they can still be fun for a non-reader. He'll play them and thin, "This is fun... but I can tell it would be more fun if I could read...." It really motivated me when I was a kid. (Twice, in fact! Once with my native language, and later with Japanese. Actually, another game I've been playing recently has made me really tempted to pick up some Russian...) And video games tend to have much more interesting stories than books that are written at a low reading level.

 

Other games have a lot of voice acting in the story scenes, but still have subtitles on screen. Maybe that would interest him too.

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Just came back to read the replies, thank you everyone SO much!.

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As far as reading motivation goes, how about video games?


And a similar idea would be board or card games.  For ex. my friend's 9yo ds has become much more interested (and fluent) in reading since getting hooked on Pokemon cards (collecting them and gaming with them), as you need to be able to read about special attacks and attributes etc on each card as you play.

 

For a fantastic resource on all things gaming check out boardgamegeek.com (reviews of games, forums to ask advice, etc).

 

ETA - OP, by coincidence the aforementioned son of my friend also went to Waldorf school all in French here in Montreal (I think it's the only Waldorf school in the city?) - your ds didn't by any chance go to the same school did he???


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We have some friends that have an 11 year old who was not reading and they decided to give Explode The Code a chance.  They use the computer based program and have had huge success. We know another family that has used the book based program with their 7 and 8 year old and have seen huge improvements as well.  It supposed to be about 15mins of self paced discovery.  I have never seen it, but it may be worth looking into.  Good Luck mama

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My eldest boy is about to be 18. We unschooled for several years, he attended a Waldorf school for a couple years, then homeschooled with support thru our local charter school and now he is a senior on campus of the same school. He was NEVER interested in reading (I and my next two boys were all self taught early readers). I held the position that he would learn when he was ready and reassured myself with stories of kids who didn't read till 10 or 12 or 16 even. While in the Waldorf school, he was evaluated and determined to have some learning issues with reading. Since he has been in a more regular school system, I have tried to get him some more assistance but they haven't been able to do anything particularly helpful, just kind of inch him along towards graduation. He gets by, but will probably never be proficient or derive great pleasure from reading. I say all this not to discourage you from trying, by all means, don't deprive him, but  #1, he may need some real help/tutoring by someone who knows about specific issues (not what we have in mind when we choose unschooling, but sometimes necessary) and  #2 he may need to focus more on his strengths and interests as he grows (what we do like about unschooling smile.gif). My son is great with anything hands on, he has an innate sense about music (I am NOT musical) and he has a very high "social intelligence" (also not my strong suit), so while it would be good if he was more of a reader (I totally agree with your last sentence), he seems to have a different path and different methods to get where he is going. For all he doesn't read, he gets out and actually DOES, which is great. Make sense?

Good luck with it, I really do empathize.


This is the basic view I wanted to express. YoungSon, 15 with dyslexia, couldn't really read at all till last year. It is still not much of a pleasure for him. I occassionally mourn the loss for him in his future, but reading will never be fun for him. We tried specialized tutors and many programs over the years. Don't give up, but remember that he will provide the motivation on his own schedule. I would occassionally offer help (programs, tutors, or whatever)but try not to let it become an issue.

 


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One big question is, do you want to stick with ideas in the unschooling vein, or try other ideas somewhere outside of that?  These kinds of issues can really test the resolve of unschooling parents.  Where do you find yourself now?


I think we definitely want to stick with "unschooling" we are a very laid back family and we don't like rigid schedules or guidelines.

 



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In an unschooling light:  what activity/ skill/ hobby with inspire him to read?  Maybe we're not talking literature here.  You might never convince him to sit down and read a good work of fiction, or critically acclaimed non-fiction, but you could entice him to do some functional reading if he's doing something motivating.  Robotics, for example.  Also a good idea: let him loose with this activity and let another trusted adult gently mentor him.  Kids can be like brick walls around their own parents.  Like you haven't noticed! thumb.gif


Yes he is very very into video games, lego.. building things. So all good ideas.

And yes, he does seem like a brick wall sometimes! eyesroll.gif

 


 

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I've shared this before, but with my later reader, "not reading" became part of her self-identity.  She seemed to believe that reading was just not something she'd ever do well, and so she was very reluctant to try, because who wants to work at something and not succeed, KWIM?

 

We ended up trying a few different programs-- Time4Learning, ReadingEggs, and finally ProgressivePhonics.  ProgressivePhonics.com is a completely free website with primers you can either download and printout or read on the computer.  The primers have funny little stories, and the child only reads the large red words on the page-- you would read the rest.  So it takes a lot of the pressure off, and lets the stories be a little more interesting than "Fat cat sat on mat".

 

I did have to announce to my dd that we would be working on reading every day.  She didn't always like it, but it was only 10 minutes or less, so it wasn't a huge struggle.  In a few months, she was able to do basic reading on her own, and she has built on that over the last year and half, and now reads about grade level and enjoys it.

 

In addition to trying some kind of formal program, have you had his eyes checked?  Also, here's a list of dyslexia symptoms: http://www.dyslexia.com/library/symptoms.htm

 

Best of luck.  I know how hard this is!



His eyes are ok, they have been checked.. he's not dyslexic just supremely stubborn :)



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I am bribing my daughter.  Yeah, very non USy - but whatever works.  Reading is important.

 

DD, my soon to be 9 yr old, can read, but rarely does.  

 

She would like an allowance - so I have decided to link it to reading for now.  1$ per small book, 2$ for bigger ones.  It has a cap of 10$ per month.

I am going to do this for a few months - and then maybe morph into a reading for charity program - such as MS Readathon, or this organisation:

 

:http://www.wegivebooks.org/

 

I have also taken to reading alongside her.  I literally invite her upstair, we cuddle up under the blankets, and read.  

 

Hopefully the above will help her catch the reading bug!

 

You can also try books on tape (maybe get him sneakily hooked on an easy series - then start getting him the paper format) as well as books online, such as Tumblebooks.  Tumblebooks is free through with my library card (Ontario)  - check out what online free books your library offers for kids.

 

http://www.tumblebooks.com/library/asp/customer_login.asp?accessdenied=%2Flibrary%2Fasp%2Fhome%5Ftumblebooks%2Easp



The allowance idea is a good one, his recent interest is money and collecting and counting coins he finds around the house. 

He would probably be very motivated by that as he likes saving money to buy things he wants.


 

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As far as reading motivation goes, how about video games? They often have enough text to make an inability to read frustrating, but unlike a book, they can still be fun for a non-reader. He'll play them and thin, "This is fun... but I can tell it would be more fun if I could read...." It really motivated me when I was a kid. (Twice, in fact! Once with my native language, and later with Japanese. Actually, another game I've been playing recently has made me really tempted to pick up some Russian...) And video games tend to have much more interesting stories than books that are written at a low reading level.

 

Other games have a lot of voice acting in the story scenes, but still have subtitles on screen. Maybe that would interest him too.



Right his frustration IS coming from video games, he plays a few of them and gets stuck when he cannot read what's going on.



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And a similar idea would be board or card games.  For ex. my friend's 9yo ds has become much more interested (and fluent) in reading since getting hooked on Pokemon cards (collecting them and gaming with them), as you need to be able to read about special attacks and attributes etc on each card as you play.

 

For a fantastic resource on all things gaming check out boardgamegeek.com (reviews of games, forums to ask advice, etc).

 

ETA - OP, by coincidence the aforementioned son of my friend also went to Waldorf school all in French here in Montreal (I think it's the only Waldorf school in the city?) - your ds didn't by any chance go to the same school did he???



Yes that is the school he went to. 

Was NOT very impressed to be honest it felt like tuition down the drain, at the end of year he could not even write his own name! 

Yes Pokemon.. he loves those!

 


 

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We have some friends that have an 11 year old who was not reading and they decided to give Explode The Code a chance.  They use the computer based program and have had huge success. We know another family that has used the book based program with their 7 and 8 year old and have seen huge improvements as well.  It supposed to be about 15mins of self paced discovery.  I have never seen it, but it may be worth looking into.  Good Luck mama


I've heard of explode the code before! I should check it out...

 

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A year ago, my son was still asking me to read bits on computer games, or those pokemon ds games which have quite a lot of reading.  He is reading very nicely now (at age 10 1/4), but not actually reading books yet.  He gets overwhelmed or maybe has trouble tracking a whole page of text.  But he has started reading graphic novels on his own which is very exciting to me.  I always read to him before bed but he was eager to read what happened next in this graphic novel series and started picking them up and reading during the day.  My unschooled niece didn't really settle down with books until she was 10, either.

 

Last year, sometimes I would set magazines or catalogs of interest in the back seat where he would ride.  I'd just leave them there without comment.  I was impressed when he started reading snippets aloud.  It's always been hard to figure out how well he can do something (like read) since he doesn't like to demonstrate knowledge of things he isn't sure about.  So strewing the magazines and catalogs was good because they were mostly pictures so he would have found them interesting to look at even if he couldn't read them.  But it turns out that he could.  And it was a no pressure situation since no one was watching him or anything.

 

One of the first books a friend of ours read was the Diary of a Wimpy Kid.  I don't personally care for the series but I do like how the author breaks up all the paragraphs with sketches in between.  It really keeps the text from looking overwhelming to kids like ds.


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A year ago, my son was still asking me to read bits on computer games, or those pokemon ds games which have quite a lot of reading.  He is reading very nicely now (at age 10 1/4), but not actually reading books yet.  He gets overwhelmed or maybe has trouble tracking a whole page of text.  But he has started reading graphic novels on his own which is very exciting to me.  I always read to him before bed but he was eager to read what happened next in this graphic novel series and started picking them up and reading during the day.  My unschooled niece didn't really settle down with books until she was 10, either.

I want to second the graphic novels.  Word bubbles and lots of pictures were *the* kickstart to my daughter's motivation to read.  Comics collections, especially Garfield.  I've written before about her saying the sounds while I read some of the longer text.  Same for the GNs--I would read the narration and she would read the word bubbles.  Catalogs, too, but she reads them to find out how much the toys are.  She used to love secret code puzzles, especially if the answer was a joke.
 

 


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Right his frustration IS coming from video games, he plays a few of them and gets stuck when he cannot read what's going on.


Most moms would happily spend an hour a day teaching reading to a receptive child. So how about sitting with him for an hour a day while he plays video games, reading out the stuff he's struggling with? Take up knitting or cross-stitching, or read your own novel, or do sudokus or something if you don't want to follow every moment of game-play, but be there as his "reader." Give him the prompts he needs, read the text aloud when he asks. Help him connect words on-screen with meaning in his game play. Don't be all teachy about it unless he seems to want that. Just read aloud what he asks you to do. Chances are he'll ask for less and less help as he begins recognizing the words you've read frequently to him.

 

Early reading programs for later readers rely on three components: text that is meaningful to the learner, a format that is motivating to him, and text that has a tendency to be repetitive. Video game text gets three for three on this count, I would say. 

 

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Most moms would happily spend an hour a day teaching reading to a receptive child. So how about sitting with him for an hour a day while he plays video games, reading out the stuff he's struggling with? Take up knitting or cross-stitching, or read your own novel, or do sudokus or something if you don't want to follow every moment of game-play, but be there as his "reader." Give him the prompts he needs, read the text aloud when he asks. Help him connect words on-screen with meaning in his game play. Don't be all teachy about it unless he seems to want that. Just read aloud what he asks you to do. Chances are he'll ask for less and less help as he begins recognizing the words you've read frequently to him.

 

Early reading programs for later readers rely on three components: text that is meaningful to the learner, a format that is motivating to him, and text that has a tendency to be repetitive. Video game text gets three for three on this count, I would say. 

 

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ITA!  I used to sit with ds so much when he was using the computer.  I'd sit and knit while he played his Nintendo DS on the couch.  Or I'd just come and read whenever he asked without giving him any sort of hard time (other than saying "when I finish this" if I was in the middle of something).  He gradually asked me for help less and less.  Sometimes he wanted me to read something when he thought he knew but just wanted to be sure.  Any kind of "sound it out" or overt teaching efforts totally shut him down.  It actually increased his frustration level because in addition to not knowing something, I was being a PIA instead of helping him.  It's always worked well with him to just answer his question without trying to lead him to figuring out the right answer by asking him a series of questions (that always annoyed me as a kid, too).  Most of the time, he had an idea of the answer.  It isn't as if he was sitting there asking me questions without a thought in his mind.  Keeping him at the point where he was willing to ask me questions was very important.  For a while, dh tried to lead him to answers rather than just answering his questions.  Ds just stopped asking him.  Not a good thing.  I had to explain a bit to dh how ds worked;-)

 

Because I was in the habit, I'd read something aloud that was on the screen.  Eventually, ds started shutting me down, saying "I can read, you know!"  Beautiful words:-)  I remember when he was younger (7ish) and he'd state he couldn't read.  That was something grown ups did.  Then (8ish) he started saying "WHEN I can read."  That was also a beautiful thing, a real leap, even though he still couldn't read, lol.

 

 

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I want to second the graphic novels.  Word bubbles and lots of pictures were *the* kickstart to my daughter's motivation to read.  Comics collections, especially Garfield.  I've written before about her saying the sounds while I read some of the longer text.  Same for the GNs--I would read the narration and she would read the word bubbles.  Catalogs, too, but she reads them to find out how much the toys are.  She used to love secret code puzzles, especially if the answer was a joke.
 

 



Great idea! you totally jogged my memory when I was a kid my fave comics were those Archie comic books.. I used to read tons and tons of those! 

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Most moms would happily spend an hour a day teaching reading to a receptive child. So how about sitting with him for an hour a day while he plays video games, reading out the stuff he's struggling with? Take up knitting or cross-stitching, or read your own novel, or do sudokus or something if you don't want to follow every moment of game-play, but be there as his "reader." Give him the prompts he needs, read the text aloud when he asks. Help him connect words on-screen with meaning in his game play. Don't be all teachy about it unless he seems to want that. Just read aloud what he asks you to do. Chances are he'll ask for less and less help as he begins recognizing the words you've read frequently to him.

 

Early reading programs for later readers rely on three components: text that is meaningful to the learner, a format that is motivating to him, and text that has a tendency to be repetitive. Video game text gets three for three on this count, I would say. 

 

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Yes great idea as well.. I do read it to him and I like the suggestions about the magazines as well (just need to make sure its age appropriate stuff) when I was a kid we had something called OWL magazine or something like that I should look and see if they still produce it or check the library for some copies!

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For you folks, who don't want structure, I'd just be seeing if I could find out what issues or reasons are causing them to not want to or be willing to read. It's a tremendous loss of possibilities for a person if they can't read in our world. I'm sad that some of you seem to accept it, actually, though I'm trying to understand. I don't mean that critically. I am very open-minded, and know kids who were unschooled and are marvelous people doing well. They do all read though. So I'm thinking about this new issue I've just learned of.



Um, I think there was only one person here who has an adult non-reader despite being in school and having his learning disability addressed.  Most of us are talking about 9 and 10 yos who are far from done deals.  I'm quite confident my own will enjoy reading more when he older.  He is already proficient enough to do well in this world despite only knowing a couple of dozen sight words at age 8..  Unschooling isn't about accepting not learning to read, it's about being aware that children grow and learn at different rates and there isn't a need for literacy to happen at a specific age.  As for those who don't master reading despite efforts to have their difficulties addressed, I can see no better approach than to embrace their strengths.  There is more to life than reading well.  Think of all the time people "waste" reading when they could be making things, fixing things, or otherwise contributing to society;-) 


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Um, I think there was only one person here who has an adult non-reader despite being in school and having his learning disability addressed.  Most of us are talking about 9 and 10 yos who are far from done deals.  I'm quite confident my own will enjoy reading more when he older.  He is already proficient enough to do well in this world despite only knowing a couple of dozen sight words at age 8..  Unschooling isn't about accepting not learning to read, it's about being aware that children grow and learn at different rates and there isn't a need for literacy to happen at a specific age.  As for those who don't master reading despite efforts to have their difficulties addressed, I can see no better approach than to embrace their strengths.  There is more to life than reading well.  Think of all the time people "waste" reading when they could be making things, fixing things, or otherwise contributing to society;-) 


Sorry I misunderstood. Since I agree with everything you say, and it matches my own beliefs, I think I misunderstood or worded my reply poorly. My apologies. :) 

 

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Sometimes disagreements here seem to be more about semantics than actually disagreeing:-)

 


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I suspect that's the norm in most forums, no matter what the topic!

 

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Um, I think there was only one person here who has an adult non-reader despite being in school and having his learning disability addressed.  Most of us are talking about 9 and 10 yos who are far from done deals.  I'm quite confident my own will enjoy reading more when he older.  He is already proficient enough to do well in this world despite only knowing a couple of dozen sight words at age 8..  Unschooling isn't about accepting not learning to read, it's about being aware that children grow and learn at different rates and there isn't a need for literacy to happen at a specific age.  As for those who don't master reading despite efforts to have their difficulties addressed, I can see no better approach than to embrace their strengths.  There is more to life than reading well.  Think of all the time people "waste" reading when they could be making things, fixing things, or otherwise contributing to society;-) 


 

Completely agreeing here. Unschooling isn't about just turning out illiterate kids who can't add to save their lives. dizzy.gif

 

It's about letting kids live their lives and learn freely. It's about not *forcing* our children to learn things that we as adults know are unnecessary. It's about refusing to drill useless facts into our kids' minds all in the name of "keeping them on grade level." 

 

We all understand and appreciate the need to be able to 1) read proficiently 2) add, subtract, multiply and divide, and 3) write well. No argument there. 

 

The challenge comes in when we start talking about what it is a kid "must" do in order to achieve 1-3 above. As long as kids have the ability to do 1-3 above by the time they are of adult age, we don't need to worry needlessly. I'm assuming you've probably seen the show "Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader?" While I appreciate the show for its humor, the problem with the entire premise of the show is that it relies on an adult's ability to remember USELESS facts (for the most part; some are useful, like knowing which continent China is on...). That is the measure of "who is smarter" in that show. If an adult cannot pinpoint the direct object in "John will walk his dog on Tuesday," that adult is considered not smarter than a 5th grader. Really?? eyesroll.gif Yes, because we all know just how important diagramming sentences is in the real world... 

 

The point here is above: unschoolers believe that our children will learn what they need to learn WHEN they need to learn it, when it has meaning to them. We don't buy into the assumption that one's life is over or doomed if they don't start reading proficiently until middle school or don't start algebra until they are 19 years old. Life is not OVER, and we adults can attest to that fact. 

 

I've gotta run, but I also wanted to point out that seeing people in my graduating class (1998) several years later (thanks to Facebook, lol) has been a huuuuuuuuuge eye-opener for me. nod.gif It's been incredibly interesting to see where the people I remember as being super studious, highly competitive (academically), obsessed with which college they were going to and that college's rankig, etc...................are in their lives, 13 (even 10) years later. VERY telling. 

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I agree with littering his seating areas, the car, wherever with any magazines or catalogs he might be interested in leafing through.  Especially now, if he wants to make a Christmas list.  My ds took off with reading at about 9.5 years old.  He is 10.5 now.  I read everything to him up until then.  I remember one DS game he played called Hardy Boys Treasure on the Tracks (I think that was it) and he needed to read the dialogue.  He asked me every day to sit there and read it all to him as he played.  It was mostly enjoyable for me--unfortunately too much reading to be able to knit through:)  I didn't ask him to sound anything out, just read whatever he asked.  I'm not sure I realized how much that may have helped him learn until I saw that suggestion in this thread!  Go me!

 

Spongbob Squarepants comic books, Lego catalogs, National Geographic Kids magazine were all things he would pick up and look at.  They have short factoids, stories, descriptions that seemed to appeal to him.  He'd ask his younger brother (who seemed to magically start reading at age 5) to read words he didn't know.  Oh, another good book was Guiness Book of World Records!  He would sit and work at reading that for longer than I'd ever seen him try before. And the new one is in the stores now.  I think the SHORT blurbs in all these above things gave the right balance for difficulty and content for a 9 year old.  One trying aspect of a late reader was finding things that weren't too babyish.  He wasn't interested in Magic Tree House anymore, but he couldn't both decode and understand Harry Potter at the same time.

 

I really was amazed when ds did finally start reading, and quickly was reading long books like Percy Jackson.  It was very frustrating and embarrassing (for me) for a long long while when everyone around us assumed he could read at his age!  All I had to go on was the reading I had done like Better Late than Early.  Most people do not understand at all that late readers are not unusual and that pushing before the child is ready can make things worse, depending on the kid.

 

Sorry for type-o's and grammatical errors.  I used to be smarter...


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