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Dar's Avatar Dar 02:06 AM 10-29-2007
We noticed the moon last night, too... it was awesome. We were driving to a Halloween party in Missouri - and hour away - attended by a twenty or 30 homeschooled teens, with an equal number of adults, although many weren't unschooling parents. It was great... we've been going for three years, and every year more unschooled teens show up. Many are part of a group that was kind of clique-y a couple of years ago, but according to Rain the kids there last night were much nicer.

The homeschool group for teens there is very age-centered - they have specific ages for everything and there's no wiggle room, as per the mom who runs the group. Rain actually went to UU church with her son, except that he went to the age-appropriate group while Rain (at 12) went to the 15-18 year old group... because she fit there. It was literally months before anyone in charge figured out that she wasn't 15 (she was 13 by then) and they didn't care, but some other people did. Anyway, I think the strict age stuff leads to some clique-y stuff... or did.

Dar

doulajewla's Avatar doulajewla 12:55 PM 10-29-2007
We have to carve our pumpkins too. We havent done that yet--too busy with dd's birthday which was on saturday which was really fun! Her brother bought her a science slime kit which they have been doing every day since saturday. the kit makes 8 different types of slime i think.

I am trying not to get overly concerned about my other dd. she wont read. She hates it. Ds is reading right now and my 5 y/o dd was trying to read before but she got a little discouraged, but she did read. my older dd reads other things--ive watched her read instructions to a game, recipes, games on the computer. I just want her to expand her vocabulary....but i dont want to force anything. I just wonder, will she be able to keep her excellent reading skills or will this wane if she doesnt practice? My kids are like me--they dont have to practice all the time to stay good at something...but it does help. I dont want to worry over this issue if its a non issue really. dd is also very lazy sometimes....doesnt want to do anything but lounge around and play---which is ok for the most part--we go places, she swims, we visit museums, she does lots of artistic things and science like stuff(which naturally we all are interested in)...but still. I just worry sometimes that I will raise her to be lazy and she will never follow her dreams...er, well she will follow her dream that she wants to lay around all day and never do anything.
majikfaerie's Avatar majikfaerie 07:49 PM 10-29-2007
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We noticed the moon last night, too... it was awesome. We were driving to a Halloween party in Missouri - and hour away - attended by a twenty or 30 homeschooled teens, with an equal number of adults, although many weren't unschooling parents. It was great... we've been going for three years, and every year more unschooled teens show up. Many are part of a group that was kind of clique-y a couple of years ago, but according to Rain the kids there last night were much nicer.

The homeschool group for teens there is very age-centered - they have specific ages for everything and there's no wiggle room, as per the mom who runs the group. Rain actually went to UU church with her son, except that he went to the age-appropriate group while Rain (at 12) went to the 15-18 year old group... because she fit there. It was literally months before anyone in charge figured out that she wasn't 15 (she was 13 by then) and they didn't care, but some other people did. Anyway, I think the strict age stuff leads to some clique-y stuff... or did.

Dar
oh man, that age-restriction stuff is yet another reason we dont go to school. it really irks me. it just contradicts the whole "kids need school for socialisation" argument. how are they supposed to truly learn real socialisation if they're only allowed to interact with people born in the same year as them?

Anyway, it sounds like a fun time!

Doulajewla, relax! your kids will read when they really want to. One day you'll just wake up and boom! they'll start to read because it's important to them

meanwhile, my 4yo DD is on a serious learning curve. She's super obsessed with the body, and how it works. we've been borrowing more and more 'mature' detailed biology books from the library. At least 5 times a day we get out "the human body atlas" (a big, thick book aimed at early teens) and read about some part of the body and what it does. DD is just so interested in it, and talks all the time about her internal organs.

Also, reading and writing is in boom-time now. She's been writing letters to her cousins, in both English and Hebrew; she dictates what she wants to write, I tell her which letter to write and how they're formed. eg: T; write a straight line down with a little 'tak' across the top. or: Hay; write a little curve with a 'tak' under it. and she writes it.

Even funnier, she wrote a letter to each of her 2 closest cousins. to one she wrote (in hebrew): To Y., I miss you, from S. and to the other cousin: To Sh. I have a cake, from S.

UnschoolnMa's Avatar UnschoolnMa 02:30 AM 10-30-2007
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oh man, that age-restriction stuff is yet another reason we dont go to school. it really irks me. it just contradicts the whole "kids need school for socialisation" argument. how are they supposed to truly learn real socialisation if they're only allowed to interact with people born in the same year as them?
I think it's a bunch of hooey too! I enjoy the company of people from a variety of age groups. I can't imagine saying "Sorry Jerry, i'm afraid you and I can't be friends. You are 17 years older than me and that's too far out of my age group." :

Dar, it's cool that the group has loosened up a bit. It's always nice to have a more relaxed feeling. Glad it was a fun time!


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Doulajewla, relax! your kids will read when they really want to. One day you'll just wake up and boom! they'll start to read because it's important to them
So so true! It's got to mean something to them I think. It will come. I know it can be hard to settle your worries though. Try just having fun together doing the things she's into. Art? Movies? Cooking? Making a fort?

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Even funnier, she wrote a letter to each of her 2 closest cousins. to one she wrote (in hebrew): To Y., I miss you, from S. and to the other cousin: To Sh. I have a cake, from S.
That is adorable. It's a must to inform folks that you do, indeed, have cake. :

Dd is into coloring a lot lately, and she also has been writing snail mail with a friend from the net. She's going to go trick or treating with a bunch of friends on Wednesday, but she heard that some of them are planning to TP a bunch of houses. She's not interested in that at all so she's taking my cell with her so her and her best friend can arrange to get a ride if that does happen.

majikfaerie's Avatar majikfaerie 02:41 AM 10-30-2007
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That is adorable. It's a must to inform folks that you do, indeed, have cake. :

Dd is into coloring a lot lately, and she also has been writing snail mail with a friend from the net. She's going to go trick or treating with a bunch of friends on Wednesday, but she heard that some of them are planning to TP a bunch of houses. She's not interested in that at all so she's taking my cell with her so her and her best friend can arrange to get a ride if that does happen.
totally; cake is the only thing standing between us and descent into utter chaos!

I love hearing about all these respectfully-grown free-range unschooled kids. Honestly, how many kids do you know who would actually tell their parents that their friends are planning to TP houses on halloween, and ask for a back-up escape plan?!

doulajewla's Avatar doulajewla 09:43 AM 10-30-2007
Shes into art thats all she does is artsy craftsies! lol shes my artist in the family. Shes into dolls and little tiny toy animals...real animals etc. She came up with a soccer game on her own yesterday and had fun with that---well after whining because she didnt want to let her brother play, just her and I.

I am trying to let go and trust.....she knows how to read perfectly fine--used to like it a bit...but now she really loathes it, so I dont force the issue. Just inside me I was programmed since school age that you had to read at a certain level blah blah blah. I think she can actually read books my 9 year old is reading(Eragon . Goosebumps, etc), and beyond. She just doesnt want to. So i read to her, she likes that better. I have always been an avid reader and writer...so maybe thats why I have my panties in a bunch. My 5 y/o dd is trying to read---she really wants to! shes sounding out things on her own and read her own sentence yesterday. I just have to relax and trust....hard when my whole educational life was spent being competitive, and I am SO not competitive, I did not thrive in school. I failed alot of classes and test taking was painful for me. I passed with an 80 though by doing lots of essays lol. That I could do!
KaraBoo's Avatar KaraBoo 09:55 AM 10-30-2007
Dd has a new joke:

--Why are spiders so popular on the internet?
--Because of all their websites!



We are basically cooking and cleaning for our party tomorrow night. That's all that is going on today.

Last night, we watched Walking with Monsters and we all loved it! But god, it was bloody. LOL
Mamato3wild ponnie's Avatar Mamato3wild ponnie 11:48 AM 10-30-2007
I wanted to chime in and ask a question...i was thinking about starting my own thread..but decided not to....ds 13 is unschooling and here in NC we are required to test once anually and i ordered the CAT survey edition...series of 6, 20 question tests. He has completed 4 of these test and has 2 to go and for the life of me he will not finish the last 2. The last 2 are reading comp and vocabulary. Difficult subjects for him. I have offered to sit a read aloud the questions..he refuses...this has to be done for legal reasons. What should i do? I would love for him to actualy finish this on his own to see where he places, just for my own personal reasons. I've even thought about doing it for him, but i'm not sure if that is a good idea. He thinks it's stupid and crazy that he has to take these test. He feels like he knows everything he needs to know to function in life right now. He's said that he doesnt need to learn anything else or prove to anyone what he knows or doesnt know. I've tried to explain that this is the law in our state and it has to be done. Any ideas mama's?
nomadmom's Avatar nomadmom 12:15 PM 10-30-2007
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cake is the only thing standing between us and descent into utter chaos!


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I love hearing about all these respectfully-grown free-range unschooled kids.
Yes, hooray for kids who can think for themselves!

We're in slob mode around here today. It's after 2 p.m. and dd is still in her jammies reading Harry Potter in bed. She's seen all the movies, and ds has had the books for years, but dd had never been interested in reading them. Last week she decided she was going to read the whole series, and is now half way through book 2.

Ds is alternately playing guitar, playing with the dog and bugging me to get off the computer (which I will do as soon as I send this).

I spent half of yesterday chopping, peeling, steaming and mashing pumpkins to freeze so we'll have what we need for all our favorite Thanksgiving/Christmas goodies. Man do I miss canned pumpkin(not available here)! Last year, we grew our own for the first time, and I didn't mind the work at all. Not the same satisfaction from preparing store-bought ones, but I didn't do any planting this year because we had scaffolding around the house all spring and the garden was covered in debris.

I'm going to go make a cup of tea, curl up on the couch and just "be" for a while.
UUMom's Avatar UUMom 12:19 PM 10-30-2007
I love the age-mixing. We participate in a Spanish language culture group, and the kids range in age 4- 16. Some people think that couldn't possibly work, but it rocks. It's the nicest afternoon.
majikfaerie's Avatar majikfaerie 09:59 PM 10-30-2007
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I wanted to chime in and ask a question...i was thinking about starting my own thread..but decided not to....ds 13 is unschooling and here in NC we are required to test once anually and i ordered the CAT survey edition...series of 6, 20 question tests. He has completed 4 of these test and has 2 to go and for the life of me he will not finish the last 2. The last 2 are reading comp and vocabulary. Difficult subjects for him. I have offered to sit a read aloud the questions..he refuses...this has to be done for legal reasons. What should i do? I would love for him to actualy finish this on his own to see where he places, just for my own personal reasons. I've even thought about doing it for him, but i'm not sure if that is a good idea. He thinks it's stupid and crazy that he has to take these test. He feels like he knows everything he needs to know to function in life right now. He's said that he doesnt need to learn anything else or prove to anyone what he knows or doesnt know. I've tried to explain that this is the law in our state and it has to be done. Any ideas mama's?
my first thought is what will happen if he does fail those areas?
I'd assume if he were in PS, and failed some areas, they'd ultimately keep him back a grade.
so if he's homeschooled, what do the state do with the test results? just compile statistics? do they have any power to step in and insist that he go to school or give him work or anything like that??

anyway, assuming that nothing really would happen, then I'd let him do the test. its his education, after all.
If there would be some legal consequences, then discuss it with your DS. and still, let him make his own choice.

just my 2c!
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