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This is what Intact America's news letter read today:

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AUGUST 2009
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Next week, officials from the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) will be chairing a conference in Atlanta that will include discussions on how to introduce "large scale neonatal and adult male circumcision programs" to the United States.

Intact America will be on the ground to make sure the ethical problems inherent in such programs are not swept under the rug and ignored. "


They provided this link: http://org2.democracyinaction.org/o/...tition_KEY=472

I dont even know what to think about this, execpt - Horrifying.

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Not surprised at all....it is the CDC afterall

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OMG, they can't be serious?

WHY?????

This just made me want to puke

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And to think I used to be proud to be an American. *sigh*
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Is there a link to somewhere that actually states that the CDC is doing this?

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Is there a link to somewhere that actually states that the CDC is doing this?

-Angela
They did not add a link to a direct source and I am not sure what conference it is. I am going to email IA and ask for one.

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And to think I used to be proud to be an American. *sigh*

I have SO been feeling this way lately! Norway is looking better and better these days...

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The USA HAD a "circ program" back in the 70's, when parental consent was not obtained and everyone got circed... HIV spread in the USA despite this.

The huge problem is, CDC support/endorsement of circ will put pressure on many undecided Moms ... the expectation of a medical benefit. it will also increase insurance coverage of circ.
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The CDC has been working hard to "remove financial barriers" to circumcision (in other words, get all Medicaid programs to pay), and has been working on their official guidelines and recommendations.

You can learn more and find links to key contacts at the CDC from the www.circumcisionandhiv.com website (click on CDC/AAP project)

regarding specific links to CDC items of interest:

http://www.cdcnpin.org/scripts/Displ...p?FundNbr=3731
this link is about the male circumcision trials they are currently running in the US

They are co-hosting a conference next week on HIV prevention in the United States, and several sessions are devoted, at least in part, to the "benefits" of circumcision.

The most troubling session is:
http://www.2009nhpc.org/search_abstract.asp?fid=224
The Introduction of Circumcision for HIV Prevention in non-circumcising US communities
the abstract actually lists things like lobbying both the AAP and Medicaid to endorse circumcision, and a goal of increasing circumcision 30% in African American and Hispanic communities in the US

Here is their current summary statement, while drafting their formal recommendations, as you can see, it is heavily pro-circumcision, it completely discounts risks and harms, as well as ethics, and it actually takes studies on adult males in Africa as the primary basis of their current thinking:

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/fac...rcumcision.htm

So, while the CDC is investing all of this time and money into promoting circumcision for HIV prevention (the experiment that has already failed in America considering we have the highest rate of HIV AND non-religous newborn circumcision in the developed world) the CDC is choosing to turn a blind eye on all of the risks and harms of circumcision.

If you do contact them, ask them how many newborns die from circumcision every year (they don't know because they won't study this). Ask them how many severe botches their are, and how many MRSA outbreaks are from circumcision - all important public health and safety issues they are ignoring. Earlier this year, a baby in the Atlanta area got a $2.3 million settlement because part of his penis was cut off - did the CDC investigate how common this was? NO

If you have supportive pediatricians, other medical professional in your life - PLEASE talk with them- urge them to contact the CDC about this frightening waste of taxpayer resources.
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I just realized that if the CDC really does go through with these recommendations then they will basically lose all credibility with me. If they can be this asinine I don't see how I can trust anything they have to say about any disease prevention issues.
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Is there a link to somewhere that actually states that the CDC is doing this?

-Angela
I just checked out the CDC conference website (http://www.2009nhpc.org/) but didn't see anything referencing circ. That doesn't mean it's not buried somewhere (there are so many abstracts!) but I wish they had included a source.

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I stand corrected...

Session Title: Introducing Male Circumcision for HIV Prevention in Non-Circumcising Communities in the U.S.
Location: Hyatt Regency Atlanta (Hanover C)
Date and Time: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 5:15PM-6:00PM

It's a 45-minute session out of a 4-day conference. While I wholeheartedly agree that it's maddening, counterproductive, and ridiculous, I'm glad it's not like a whole conference to force people to circ!

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I'll only add that I think it's instructive to see how other Western countries are approaching this issue. For example, the Australian Federation of AIDS Organization published this briefing paper in February 09:

http://www.afao.org.au/library_docs/...rcumcision.pdf

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An Australian-born man is estimated to have a 0.02% (0.0002) risk of HIV acquisition if he does not inject drugs or have sex with men. This very low risk means that the population health benefit of an intervention like generalised circumcision programs would be negligible.
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All this work for NOTHING!
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I'm reading this at work and am thoroughly saddened
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argh!!!

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This is so stupid. Newborns aren't sexually active. Don't they know this? Americans are already a laughing stalk to the rest of the world. It doesn't help us to implement a mass circ as a"solution". Especially since they said this approach only works for "under developed countries".
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This is so stupid. Newborns aren't sexually active. Don't they know this? Americans are already a laughing stalk to the rest of the world. It doesn't help us to implement a mass circ as a"solution". Especially since they said this approach only works for "under developed countries".
I know but this is the CDC. I'm sure they are figuring that it will be easier and cheaper to circumcise newborns than adults. :

I hate that it seems to be targeted at minorities, immigrants, and the poor. I really find that disturbing.

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Who didn't see this coming? Once the HIV-circ trials in Africa were touted with acclaim and fanfare in the American media, it was only a matter of time. It doesn't matter if the data isn't applicable. It's "science" and if you argue AGAINST circ, you're now against "preventing disease".
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The CDC has been working hard to "remove financial barriers" to circumcision (in other words, get all Medicaid programs to pay), and has been working on their official guidelines and recommendations.

You can learn more and find links to key contacts at the CDC from the www.circumcisionandhiv.com website (click on CDC/AAP project)

regarding specific links to CDC items of interest:

http://www.cdcnpin.org/scripts/Displ...p?FundNbr=3731
this link is about the male circumcision trials they are currently running in the US
I see. The potentially positive thing is the data could come out showing circ is ineffective in the battle against HIV in the US. It wouldn't be the first study to prove so. The problem is that depending on who is conducting the study, the data can be tailored to the researcher's favor.

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They are co-hosting a conference next week on HIV prevention in the United States, and several sessions are devoted, at least in part, to the "benefits" of circumcision.

The most troubling session is:
http://www.2009nhpc.org/search_abstract.asp?fid=224
The Introduction of Circumcision for HIV Prevention in non-circumcising US communities
the abstract actually lists things like lobbying both the AAP and Medicaid to endorse circumcision, and a goal of increasing circumcision 30% in African American and Hispanic communities in the US
Here is their current summary statement, while drafting their formal recommendations, as you can see, it is heavily pro-circumcision, it completely discounts risks and harms, as well as ethics, and it actually takes studies on adult males in Africa as the primary basis of their current thinking:

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/fac...rcumcision.htm
Wasn't this already reported? I saw this study in the news somewhere. It was said the study wasn't taken very seriously.
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Yep, great idea CDC! Maybe you can come out with a female circumcision program next. Afterall, there is some correlation between FGM and lower rates of HIV....

Oh, wait, never mind, I'm using behavior to protect myself from HIV. I think that I'll pass on circ.

Craziness.
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This is nuts. Being European, the whole circ-pushing thing is just something I so do not understand. Living in America with a baby/child is in so many ways annoying: the pushing of circs for boys, the push for vaccinations and non-acceptance of having a choice there, the CIO crap, the tough love crap.... Whenever I tell my parents what's considered normal here they are mortified and say that's how they were brought up post world war II. It's like they are one generation behind here (sorry don't wanna be offensive, but I am truly shocked by many practices).
My parents were totally horrified when they heard about circ - it is just that uncommon!!!
The CDC is not my favorite organization exactly. I wonder how many lobby groups and coops are involved in this crap (sorry for the swearing, but it makes me angry!). So many undecided and not well-informed parents will circ their poor little boys.
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This is nuts. Being European, the whole circ-pushing thing is just something I so do not understand. Living in America with a baby/child is in so many ways annoying: the pushing of circs for boys, the push for vaccinations and non-acceptance of having a choice there, the CIO crap, the tough love crap.... Whenever I tell my parents what's considered normal here they are mortified and say that's how they were brought up post world war II. It's like they are one generation behind here (sorry don't wanna be offensive, but I am truly shocked by many practices).
My parents were totally horrified when they heard about circ - it is just that uncommon!!!
And people wonder why the rest of the world hates Americans...

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The CDC is not my favorite organization exactly. I wonder how many lobby groups and coops are involved in this crap (sorry for the swearing, but it makes me angry!). So many undecided and not well-informed parents will circ their poor little boys.
The CDC is, IME, a lobby group.
There is emerging evidence to prove that they have worked together with greedy doctors and Big Pharma to push costly and unneccessary procedures (i.e. circ) on the (purposefully) uneducated people.
Ever wonder why products like Viagra, KY jelly and Enzyte are so virally popular in the US? It's obvious- doctors intentionally cause problems (via circ, in this case) that they (or others) can profit from treating later. It all operates on the same principle as the whole H1N1 mess (slightly OT, sorry if you want to ban me).
Also, there's the pressing issue of the leftover cut-off foreskins being sold to biotech companies who then extract fibroblast cells and market them in anti-aging cosmetics. Dr. Patricia Wexler openly admitted to using foreskin byproducts in her cosmetic line (which is unfortunately available at Bath & Body Works) on Oprah.
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This is nuts. Being European, the whole circ-pushing thing is just something I so do not understand. Living in America with a baby/child is in so many ways annoying: the pushing of circs for boys, the push for vaccinations and non-acceptance of having a choice there, the CIO crap, the tough love crap.... Whenever I tell my parents what's considered normal here they are mortified and say that's how they were brought up post world war II. It's like they are one generation behind here (sorry don't wanna be offensive, but I am truly shocked by many practices).
My parents were totally horrified when they heard about circ - it is just that uncommon!!!
The CDC is not my favorite organization exactly. I wonder how many lobby groups and coops are involved in this crap (sorry for the swearing, but it makes me angry!). So many undecided and not well-informed parents will circ their poor little boys.
That's interesting.
My grandmother (or Oma) grew up during WWII. She married a man in US air force, my grandpa (how was interestingly enough, born at home and intact), but a large portion of my extended family still live in Bavaria. They do not understand why this is such a big cause for me. They have a hard time even believing RIC is commonplace in the US it just seems crazy to them.

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I didn't know at all that the CDC was pro circ. I thought there wasn't a medical organization in the world that endorsed RIC.

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I can't even articulate how angry this all makes me. Thanks for all the links - I will come back and study them when I have a little more time.
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I didn't know at all that the CDC was pro circ. I thought there wasn't a medical organization in the world that endorsed RIC.
Due to the highly publicized circ/HIV studies in Africa and their proclaimed success, I guess the CDC is now seeing circ as a means to reduce HIV in the US.

I have my own questions about this,...

1. Wasnt it stated that circ would only work to reduce HIV in developing countries not industrialized? Why then are they pushing it here?
2. What currently is the highest HIV/AIDs demographic in the USA? Those studies claimed circ only protected against Female to Male penile/vaginal transmission and later showed no protection from male to female transmission.
3. Wasnt the CDC in the process of creating a statement on circ (following the lead of the AAP)? Why are they already discussing a pretty clear position at this conference?

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That's interesting.
My grandmother (or Oma) grew up during WWII. She married a man in US air force, my grandpa (how was interestingly enough, born at home and intact), but a large portion of my extended family still live in Bavaria. They do not understand why this is such a big cause for me. They have a hard time even believing RIC is commonplace in the US it just seems crazy to them.
I am commenting on the bolded portion. I've attended the Genital Integrity Awareness Week demonstration in Washington DC for the past several years. It is held at end of March/beginning of April to coincide with the anniversary of the federal female genital integrity law and the beginning of child abuse prevention week. It is also the start of the Cherry Blossom Festival, which brings many tourists to the city. Many of the foreigners who visit don't understand what we are there for. They think we are just pushing our right to free speech to outlandish topics just because we have the legal right to free speech in America. When you talk to them and get them to understand that this really happens in America, that well over 80% of babies born in the 7o's and 80's are circumcised and that it's now about 50/50, they are stunned. It really shatters their image of the USA as being progressive and intelligent. I've seen many a head shake on the shoulders of non US residents in utter disbelief that circumcision of newborn babies happens on a routine basis.

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The CDC has been working hard to "remove financial barriers" to circumcision (in other words, get all Medicaid programs to pay), and has been working on their official guidelines and recommendations.

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I don't see this happening in today's economy.

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I am commenting on the bolded portion. I've attended the Genital Integrity Awareness Week demonstration in Washington DC for the past several years. It is held at end of March/beginning of April to coincide with the anniversary of the federal female genital integrity law and the beginning of child abuse prevention week. It is also the start of the Cherry Blossom Festival, which brings many tourists to the city. Many of the foreigners who visit don't understand what we are there for. They think we are just pushing our right to free speech to outlandish topics just because we have the legal right to free speech in America. When you talk to them and get them to understand that this really happens in America, that well over 80% of babies born in the 7o's and 80's are circumcised and that it's now about 50/50, they are stunned. It really shatters their image of the USA as being progressive and intelligent. I've seen many a head shake on the shoulders of non US residents in utter disbelief that circumcision of newborn babies happens on a routine basis.
Yeah totally know what you mean. I was at GIAW, in 2004 (if my memory serves me right), and one memorable conversation I had was with a South Korean man who was on a tour of DC. For all who dont know, South Korea adopted circumcision after US presence in their country and now nearly universally circ in early adolescence or adulthood. Anyway, the man spoke to me pretty candidly about how he really felt violated by the circumcision he endured in his early teen and that he would never want any future sons to go through that. It was just interesting talking with someone who expressed an intactivist view from a country with an even higher circ rate then our own.
I really hope to be able to get the GIAW next year.

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I am attending the CDC HIV Prevention Conference. It began this evening. It seems plain to me that the CDC intends to recommend infants be circed to "prevent" HIV and other STDs. I will be asking hard questions. But I believe Dr. Kilmarx and others are very much in favor of circ. The NY Times just came out with an article on the conference. It indicates the AAP will find the benefits outweigh the risks. This is what Edgar Schoen has been pushing for. It is very important that everyone sign the Intact America CDC petition and it is very important that everyone write the AAP expressing dismay if ethics should be ignored and MGM should be essentially endorsed.
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