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TenFedNed's Avatar TenFedNed 05:28 PM 05-04-2005
Hi!

I've ended up on these forums after another research on circumcision on the web.
I'd like to thank you all for your awareness of this evil procedure and your will to stop it.
Only people with such a good heart like yours can understand how useless and painful circ is.
I'm sure that these forums have helped many parents to decide to stop this madness... pain... torture.

I'm 15 years old teen, intact (). I’m happy that there are people like you, helping us not getting our foreskins chopped off for no reason at all.

I am proud to say that I helped 2 boys decide not to have the circ done on them, even though it was part of their religion (and they are still happy).

In my opinion parents have no right to decide to chop off part of their boy's body just because they _think_ it's better, or even worse, for them to look like their father or brothers or whatever.

I especially hate the "it's cleaner' rumors. I'm uncut, with a long foreskin (not too long, but it covers the whole head of the penis) and it is very clean.
I know boys who had their foreskins cut just because their so called "friends" suggested them it and told them it’s cleaner.

Some don't even realize that circ is an operation where they cut a part of you, they think they just "make the head always visible" and when they go to the operation room, they can’t say NO.

I know one boy who had circumcision done for religious reasons when he was 6. The pain killers didn’t affect him, so, they just TIED HIM AND HELD HIM WHILE CUTTING! He said it was so painful that most of the (not so small) hospital could hear his screams.

Another example that I witnessed was another guy from my class. His mom married with another guy who apparently was obsessed with circumcision... needless to say, he was cut in a year after they engaged.

Parents should be more educated on this stuff.
I know that if my mom would have me circ'ed, I’d NEVER forgive her.

I speak now for many teens out there...Thank you.
I specially thank Frank as it seems that he is one of the best contributors

hummingbear's Avatar hummingbear 07:03 PM 05-04-2005
Welcome

I look forward to yuor contributions to this forum.

Is this for real?:
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Another example that I witnessed was another guy from my class. His mom married with another guy who apparently was obsessed with circumcision... needless to say, he was cut in a year after they engaged.
Ignorance is one thing, but this?? Pardon me, but I think that this is child abuse!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hope that guy is getting all the support he needs.
iamama's Avatar iamama 07:16 PM 05-04-2005
Nice post! Its nice to hear from someone who is a teen being uncut.
TenFedNed's Avatar TenFedNed 08:07 PM 05-04-2005
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Originally Posted by hummingbear
Welcome

I look forward to yuor contributions to this forum.

Is this for real?:

Ignorance is one thing, but this?? Pardon me, but I think that this is child abuse!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hope that guy is getting all the support he needs.
It's all true :'(.

Whats wrong with our society?
Frankly Speaking's Avatar Frankly Speaking 01:53 AM 05-05-2005
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I speak now for many teens out there...Thank you.
I specially thank Frank as it seems that he is one of the best contributors
Thanks for the recognition!



Frank
AngelBee's Avatar AngelBee 03:11 AM 05-05-2005
I am glad to hear your testimony! Welcome!!!
kxsiven's Avatar kxsiven 03:38 AM 05-05-2005
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Originally Posted by TenFedNed
Hi!
I know one boy who had circumcision done for religious reasons when he was 6. The pain killers didn’t affect him, so, they just TIED HIM AND HELD HIM WHILE CUTTING! He said it was so painful that most of the (not so small) hospital could hear his screams.
This caught my eye. Is this really OK in USA?
I know this board is dedicated mostly to stop circumcision in USA but I thought this would be excellent reminder that most boys in the world are circumcised just like this. And the really saddest part is that no human rights organisation dare to speak up against it because this practise is done for you-know-what reasons.

I have met men (refugees)from Turkey and Palestine who have said that that day was the most horrible day in their life and they never forget the pain. And this is often done in front of the whole family. One can only imagine what that does to little boy's mind.

To OP, I wish there were more young men speaking up on mothering boards against circumcision. Thanks for posting this.
TenFedNed's Avatar TenFedNed 04:23 AM 05-05-2005
I am not sure if it would be legal in USA, but in this cursed place (Israel) nobody cares.

For example they might force me () of getting me circ'ed in army or rather beat me up.
And I’m not even Jewish, so what’s the %$^%$^ point?
Aura_Kitten's Avatar Aura_Kitten 05:14 AM 05-05-2005
welcome to MDC.

Frank *is* one of the best contributors.

you should let your friend(s) know about restoration, if you haven't already.


~ k., who thinks it's great that the younger generation are slowly opening their eyes to the idiocies of our society...
Aura_Kitten's Avatar Aura_Kitten 05:15 AM 05-05-2005
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I am not sure if it would be legal in USA, but in this cursed place (Israel) nobody cares.

For example they might force me () of getting me circ'ed in army or rather beat me up.
And I’m not even Jewish, so what’s the %$^%$^ point?

laprettygurl's Avatar laprettygurl 05:19 AM 05-05-2005
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For example they might force me () of getting me circ'ed in army or rather beat me up.
First of all. Are you saying if you join the army you HAVE to circ or are just going to do it to not get beat up?

Welcome! I have no sons (yet) but my boyfriend is intact! He's clean because there's such things as SOAP!
TenFedNed's Avatar TenFedNed 05:38 AM 05-05-2005
Ill probably have to get cut or ill be beaten up and mocked for the whole 3 years period of army (noting that they REQUIRE me to join)

I'd never get cut but... I really don't know. I probably will just get beaten up and stay intact.

I begin to understand why so many people in this world hate israelis. You can delete this post, but it's what i think and i didnt come here to lie.
RosieTook's Avatar RosieTook 05:42 AM 05-05-2005
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I have met men (refugees)from Turkey and Palestine who have said that that day was the most horrible day in their life and they never forget the pain.
Or course RIC is the way to go, cause then they can never voice their agony.

I am, of course, being sarcastic...it is sickening!

Welcome to the forum, it's great to hear from you!!
TenFedNed's Avatar TenFedNed 05:49 AM 05-05-2005
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Welcome to the forum, it's great to hear from you!!
Thanks!
njeb's Avatar njeb 08:51 AM 05-05-2005
Welcome! It's great to know you!
So you're from Israel. I imagine that's not an easy place for an intact man to live! Have you lived there all your life? Is army service compulsory for everyone who lives there?
TenFedNed's Avatar TenFedNed 09:23 AM 05-05-2005
I live here from ~1995 when I moved here from Ukraine (didn't have much choice, being 4 or 5 years old at the time).
My mom thought we would have better job opportunities here... wrong.

And yeah, being intact in a place like this is hell.
Most of the intact people i know got circumcised because of peer pressure and because they were afraid to get beaten up in army.

I just hope I could move somewhere before it's too late :-/
tayndrewsmama's Avatar tayndrewsmama 12:12 PM 05-05-2005
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And yeah, being intact in a place like this is hell.
Most of the intact people i know got circumcised because of peer pressure and because they were afraid to get beaten up in army.
OMG, that's awful! to all of them, and you. I hope this doesn't happen to you too.
TenFedNed's Avatar TenFedNed 12:19 PM 05-05-2005
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OMG, that's awful! to all of them, and you. I hope this doesn't happen to you too.
Thanks! Though I'm still stuck and I don't know what to do
Suggestions, anyone?
Frankly Speaking's Avatar Frankly Speaking 12:33 PM 05-05-2005
Yes, work with your parents to protect you until you can get out of the country and then move to a safe place as soon as possible. Most likely, to the US or a western European country.




Frank
TenFedNed's Avatar TenFedNed 12:44 PM 05-05-2005
There won't be any problems before army, before i'm 18 as nobody really knows i'm intact.
When i'll have to join the army however, It'll be hell.

I see no way to get out of this except moving from this country before I'm 18, but how and where?
tayndrewsmama's Avatar tayndrewsmama 12:58 PM 05-05-2005
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When i'll have to join the army however, It'll be hell.
I had no idea that this was mandatory. What is the reason? Probably not a logical one, I guess.
hummingbear's Avatar hummingbear 01:16 PM 05-05-2005
Like Frank said, if your parent's are supportive you have great allies in creating something incredible for yourself. Find a dream. Apply in another country for a scholarship?, peacecorps? simply move and get a job? Start digging and I am sure you will find something. If you are old enough to be in an army you sure are old enough to start your own exploration. Opportunities are plentiful: more so than many people think they are.

Good luck to you.
TenFedNed's Avatar TenFedNed 01:31 PM 05-05-2005
Well, I’ve been trying to contact UK's, USA's immigration offices and asking them for advice but I never got any reply.
As for parental support - my mom doesn’t know about this problem, and if she will, her choice would be to circumcise (yeah, I know ).
I might get some money for tickets for the plain and maybe a bit more as after studying programming and system development (just to get money to move out of this place!) I found a programming partner and we might sell a couple of programs (he's from UK).
Either way, with some money or without, I have nobody abroad who could provide me place to live in until I pay off the bills and buy an apartment.

I'll be grateful for your suggestions as I’m totally depressed from all this...
Acksiom's Avatar Acksiom 01:42 PM 05-05-2005
I wonder if ARC would be interested in an asylum case. . . .
kxsiven's Avatar kxsiven 01:58 PM 05-05-2005
To OP. Have you ever contacted www.jewsagainstcircumcision.org (there is a contact us - link on their site). I know they have connections to Israel, maybe they would know how to find support group - you cannot be the only intact male there.

ps. http://www.kahal.org/
TenFedNed's Avatar TenFedNed 02:07 PM 05-05-2005
Those support groups are for:
1) Jewish
2) Before/After army

Doesn't really work for me in any case. In army you don't chose who you want to be with.
The only way is to leave this country (which I wanted to do the past 8 years)
kxsiven's Avatar kxsiven 02:31 PM 05-05-2005
I've never heard that those organisations would not help anyone who asks advice and help - jewish or not.

Do you still have citizenship of your old home country Ukraine? Any relatives there?

Have you concidered a conscientious objector status? I know they throw you in jail for that - no matter what your religion is - but maybe better than 3 years in army?

I recently read an article about parents in Israel leaving their sons intact, so you absolutely cannot be the only one.

As far as moving to EU countries, it isn't easy. Even if you come to study, you have to have lot of €€€€ to get a study-visa. Not to mention other VISAs or residency permits. You might get a short term visitors/student visa but then you have to go back to Israel and army(how old they still draft?)

USA is even more difficult especially after 9/11 & homeland security laws and especially the area you are trying to immigrate from. It would be a very long process, lot of questions asked in small rooms under bright lights and you would have to have really really good reason and lots of $$$$$$$$$.

Not very comforting, I know :/
boingo82's Avatar boingo82 02:31 PM 05-05-2005
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And yeah, being intact in a place like this is hell.
Most of the intact people i know got circumcised because of peer pressure and because they were afraid to get beaten up in army.

I just hope I could move somewhere before it's too late :-/

I am really sorry to hear of your situation. I do think it speaks volumes, that even though the social pressure is high, you still value being intact. Usually I hear from people saying the "locker room" situation is so terrible that it's more humane to circ than let a boy be teased. In my opinion, it's the teasers that are the problem, not the foreskin.

I hope you are able to escape your country.
TenFedNed's Avatar TenFedNed 02:56 PM 05-05-2005
kxsiven, yeah i can do many things to get in jail. But then I will never be allowed to leave the country (and lets just say, i wont be able to live with that).
Plus I'll still have to join army afterwards

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I recently read an article about parents in Israel leaving their sons intact, so you absolutely cannot be the only one.
Yeah, some are intact, untill army. Even the small % who stay intact doesnt make it any better.

Thank you all for the advice!

Any other suggestions?
rainbowmoon's Avatar rainbowmoon 03:04 PM 05-05-2005
what an awful situation! I hope you are able to find a way out of joining the Army. you have lots of time to work out a plan at least and get out of there!
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