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#1 of 16 Old 10-08-2005, 12:34 AM - Thread Starter
 
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that perform circumcisions? I don't know if my OB from the pregnancy and birth of my son performed circs or not. It didn't matter to me so much back then. I knew we weren't circ'ing, so I obviously wasn't worrying about who would do it. She probably does them, being in the midwest and she never expressed any kind of position for or against circumcision. She was a good doctor, always mentioning 'this or that latest study showed...' She was very on top of the latest trends in OB.

But I just realized today, while looking at plastibell pictures, that I could never fully trust someone who has it in them to do THAT to a baby. For our next baby (not yet TTC) I will only go to a doctor that doesn't do circs. It may be difficult to find an anti-circ healthcare provider. There is only one midwife in town, so I may have to travel some distance and pay out-of-pocket. But anyway, the next babe is a long way off, so it's not like something I have to worry about now!

:LOL Maybe some militant anti-circ OB will move into town in the next couple years! :LOL

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intresting question. I have never ealy thought about it. But I guess i have too much to fight to fight this one and I need a good Dr. on my side who isn't going to harrass me about everything else. I will settle for "so long as he respects my descission" which he does and he agrees they are totally unessecary but he never fights with a prent on personal parenting descisions (which is why we like him). he is hte best we are going to find in this ton.

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I dont know if I trust my family DR. Right in her office, there's a list of procedures that OHIP doesn't cover and their prices....and right at the very bottom "Circumcision $120" even the fact that it's THERE *not the sheet but the mere mention of circ* makes me think she's a Dr Retracto, even though she's a landed immigrant from Eastern Europe, *And her secondary specialty outside of FP is Geriatrics o_0 I gotta go with what I've got..she was the only FEMALE md that was taking new patients*
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I really don't think you can fully trust one that does circs because it tells me that something is severely lacking in their training and accumulated knowlege base.

But, I will also say this: An OB/GYN is a specialist in the female reproductive system and it would not be expected that they would be interested or totally current on the male reproductive system and they will have no interaction with your son after the delivery. As I see it, if you can get your son out of the hospital whole, there is no worry.

Now, a Pediatrician or Family Practitioner, that's a whole 'nother story! It shows a significant deficit in their training and knowlege base. If they are so completely uneducated on this issue, what is their training and knowlege base lacking in other healthcare issues? Healthcare issues that could be life threatening or could cause severe injury and life-long consequences? For me, circumcision would be kind of a litmus test.



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I don't even have a son yet, but I won't go to a pedi or GP that does circs. I just can't support someone who does that.

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I was thinking this morning about how anyone could trust a doctor who refuses to use every available means of pain relief during a circumcision.

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It is simple to provide adequate pain relief and there is no medical reason not to. I lurk on a site for doctors and there is a thread about pain relief during circumcision. The main reason the doctors who posted there who did not use pain management was because of the extra time it takes.



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The main reason the doctors who posted there who did not use pain management was because of the extra time it takes.
Yeah, b/c they could be in and out in 5 minutes as opposed to 7. I just got done w/ my OB rotation and of the 12 or so boys born while I was there, only 1 got spared the knife. I was a contientious objector in the nursery, refusing to watch circs (although I had to listen to their screams while I took care of other babies). After learning that not one of the 6 OBs that do circs in the hospital I was in used any form of pain relief during circs, I cannot in good conscience, even as much as recommend any one of them to women wanting a decent OB. If they refuse to medicate newborns during an extremely painful procedure, how can anyone expect them to offer compassionate care to a woman who is in labor??

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The problem is, laboring Mommies can ASK for pain meds. All babies can do is scream, and for some reason that is not interpreted as "Help! Someone is hurting me!!"

I just read in Discover Magazine how most people - even those that don't like dogs - can correctly match a dog's bark to the situation that caused it (fear, defensiveness, play, etc).

Funny that we are less in tune with the young of our own species.

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It appears that most of us have a little sadism in us. A few months ago, I read of an experiment to measure it. They brought people in to a room that had a desk and on that desk was what appeared to be a terminal with a push button and a dial. It was a set-up. They told the people that a suspect was in another room and that the push button would give them a painful stimulation. They were told they would be able to hear what was said in the other room. The experiment began and after the first question, the instructor said that was a false answer and instructed the participant to push the button. They did and immediately heard a groan coming from "the other room." The instructor said that by turning up the dial, the stimulus could be increased. By the end of the experiment, almost all of the participants had turned the dial to full even though they were hearing loud screams from "the other room."

The conclusion of the experiment was that most people had the capacity to cause extreme pain to other people and have little reticence to do so. From what we read here every day, it seems that most doctors and nurses also have this capacity




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great question! Now that it's been raised, I guess I will begin to question our docs. Right now I don't see an OB/Gyn; haven't in 20 years, and my kids don't see a ped. Our fam doc doesn't perform any surgeries, but is certainly not pro intact either. Never even made a move to retract DS though.
Our ND and chiro are both pro intact of course, but again they don't perform surgeries... hmmmm
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No. I was pretty much refused my post birth exam because of not circumcising. So needless to say I don't trust that particular doctor anymore.

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No. I was pretty much refused my post birth exam because of not circumcising. So needless to say I don't trust that particular doctor anymore.

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No. I was pretty much refused my post birth exam because of not circumcising. So needless to say I don't trust that particular doctor anymore.
That's one of the most outrageous things I have heard here and we've heard a lot. What reasoning did they give?


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Usually about 24 hours after birth they come and check you out right? You know, they check your bleeding, push on your belly, talk to you about pain and PPD right?

Well the OB came in (NOT the one that delivered me) and he sat down in a chair halfway across the room and he's like "Oh how's your pain? I'll leave you a prescription for Vicodin *pause* You're not circumcising? Well congratulations on your baby bye"

and he leaves very quickly. No other doctor came to see me. I was not checked out physically at all and I really do believe this was because I didn't circ -- he came in all ready to do it until he looked at my chart and saw I wasn't going to.

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Well to be perfectly honest, I don't trust anyone in the medical "practice".

I used a midwife for the birth of my daughter. I asked if she performed circiucisions and she said yes, she did. I understood her to be not in favor of it but she served a large Mennonite community and they, in her experience, circumcise pretty exclusively. She said she used pain relief and she was concerned that if they went elsewhere they babies would not receive adequate pain medication.

I had a fine birth experience with her but I have arrived at the place where I canot let hands that perform cutting on newborn babies anywhere near me or my baby, so I will not hire anyone that does circs to care for me or my child should we have another one.

I cannot put money in the pocket of someone who does this terrible thing.

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