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Hello, welcome to America. NO ONE'S stance against male circumcision is as strong as their stance against female circumcison with the exception of NOCIRC and the likes.
Isn't that sad?

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I look forward to the day that EVERYONE can get exceptional health care, regardless of their income.
Campaign for a national health sevice, such as we are very fortunate to have in England. Everyone, regardless of income, has access to the best medical care - free at the point of source.

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I am not sure what I think of that. My sister studied at Cambridge last year and she had to go to the hospital and was horrified at the filthy conditions of the hospital. I have heard this from others as well. Obviously that is heresay, but it is from individuals that I trust very much.
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I got care in the national health system while living in Ireland, and it was fine -- and cheap. British health outcomes are a damn sight better than ours, regardless of the creature comforts of the NHS.

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Our National Health Service is in something of a state at the moment but that is mostly due to being left in the hands of people who (ideologically speaking) would prefer it never to have existed. If you want a handy comparison then imagine a CIRCList member being asked to run NOHARMM for a few years. It is almost that bad.

But it did wipe out British RIC in one smooth sweep: we were not prepared to utilise tax payer's money to fund an operation of no medical benefit and thus it was not provided and the rates nose dived into non-existance.
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I am not sure what I think of that. My sister studied at Cambridge last year and she had to go to the hospital and was horrified at the filthy conditions of the hospital. I have heard this from others as well. Obviously that is heresay, but it is from individuals that I trust very much.
I rather doubt that the conditions were 'filthy'; it would simply not be tolerated. But there will always be a few hospitals which fail to meet the stringent standards laid down, usually because of their age and a lack of local government funding for rebuilding. When this occurs, it is met with public and press outcry.

In the East Kent area where I live I can think of two such hospitals, both established in the 18th century. One has been been renovated and partially rebuilt to a standard I'm sure your sister would approve of; the other was closed down and demolished. In the same area we also have three hospitals built to state-of-the-art standards.

The NHS is not perfect, what massive national institution is? Nevertheless it provides an exceptional service for which we bless our good fortune.

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Everyone, regardless of income, has access to the best medical care
Really? I was treated very poorly in an English hospital on two seperate occations. In fact, I couldn't even get the problem sorted out until I was back in America and I was miserable for almost the rest of my vacation.

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I don't really see anything special about their statement....

Cultural circ IS what we do in US-- and the statemetn, from what I can see, says that cultural circ is okay.

Am I missing something?

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Aren't you an American, though? Just like the American health care system isn't really set up for others to access, why would the British?

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It's set up for anyone to use - it's whether or not you'll owe them money that's the issue. Same as the American one. The doctors just didn't know what they were doing, plain and simple. They ordered an unnecessary, incredibly painful test when I've had the condition my entire life and could tell them exactly what was wrong. What they were testing for wasn't even closely related to the symptoms I had and no appropriate tests were run (or treatment given) for what I DID have.

I didn't realise that not being a citizen (despite being the mother of one) meant you got poor health care. People who don't live here can still get decent health care, they just have to pay an insane amount of money for it - or get traveler's insurance, whereas there I HAD insurance and it didn't even matter.

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The US health care system is incredibly twisted and difficult to access in many cases.

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:Puke There's a reason it's not named here. A good one. I for one find it absolutely sick that anyone would support an organization that does that. That's why it's not mentioned here - it is so offensive to so many. I suppose when they say "he who must not be named" in harry potter they aren't really mentioning voldemort? Come on, you're all having the discussion whether you avoid the word or not and it should get pulled.

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Well we discuss whether to boycott a breast pump maker that also makes the plastibell. Or whether to boycott a company that does foreskin testing. I was thinking back to what I said yesterday, that I only have a problem with one thing that Planned Parenthood does and maybe I was wrong to say that, and I am offended by the whole company.

And whoever said babies have the right to be born to a "healthy" woman does that make me a bad momma if I don't have every gynecological test or pregnancy related test that the doctor wants to give me? I think that I, not PP or any other doctor, know what's healthy and safe for my child and it is more than often the natural way not some medical test.
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And? I'm not against teens and adults deciding they want a vaccine against an STD before becoming sexually active.

I don't get it, all of the world health orgs are FOR vaccines but yet we still support them when they release anti-circ info. Why is this different?
Ok I will agree with this completely. I won't choose to get the vax, but believe other's should have the right to.
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Really? I was treated very poorly in an English hospital on two seperate occations. In fact, I couldn't even get the problem sorted out until I was back in America and I was miserable for almost the rest of my vacation.
I too was in a public hospital overseas and felt like I was back in the 1950's or something.

HOW-EVER...

If I had been a citizen, not a dollar to my name, I still could have gone in and got on a waiting list for treatment, while in the US healthcare isn't considered a right.
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My experience has been the opposite - I wouldn't ever go near an American hospital. Ever. I much prefer the NHS system. I've never received anything but the best care possible, and cleanest conditions imaginable.
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It wasn't really unclean but it seemed primitive, older facilities, long wait times. I reallky haven't been in enough hospital's to tell you if it's better or worse than an American hospital, i'm just saying that no sysem is perfect.
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The US health care system is incredibly twisted and difficult to access in many cases.
Exactly. Yes, they might have pretty , new hospitals with TVs in private rooms, but the care is the same you receive in any country with a universal health care system, except you don't go to your grave with medical bills or get a health insurance co. rich in the meantime.

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It wasn't really unclean but it seemed primitive, older facilities, long wait times. I reallky haven't been in enough hospital's to tell you if it's better or worse than an American hospital, i'm just saying that no sysem is perfect.
You have to understand that these things are done on a local basis, that area may simply have had some incompetant local politicians for a while and as a consequence was slightly regressive.

That example was poor and I agree there are very bad parts to it but overall it is an immensely superior system to America's, permitting for swift treatment of minor problems before they metamorphosise into major ones. All at no cost at point of entry or via brutal insurance rates that punish those in most need.
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for PP. They counsel a lot of young people ... people who dont really know what the AAP says about anything.
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Many parents think that circ is "that thing you do to baby boys" and don't even know enough to question it. Here's an organization that works with many people before they become parents, and they're outright saying that circ has no medical benefits.

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Many parents think that circ is "that thing you do to baby boys" and don't even know enough to question it. Here's an organization that works with many people before they become parents, and they're outright saying that circ has no medical benefits.
Here is what I am wondering, I asked above if the link I gave was to the "statement" we are discussing. It was a Q&A on their website, then I posted a local PP website with a much worse statement, has Natl. PP made some real stand other than a Q&A on their website, is this something that has come down through and is actually being said in PPs across the country? Do they have hand outs that they give to patients expecting a baby boy? I'd really like to know more about this "statement".

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Do they have hand outs that they give to patients expecting a baby boy? I'd really like to know more about this "statement".
Possibly if it's requested. PP generally only gives out what you ask for. And most don't do prenatal care - those who do generally only do it up to 28 weeks. However I do remember that we did refer women to the website to read more about pregnancy issues and options *shrug*

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Hmm... Well do you know what sort of advice they would give on this issue if asked?
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Hmm... Well do you know what sort of advice they would give on this issue if asked?
Honestly they'd probably say it's your decision but there's no medical benefit and it's only done for cosmetics/cultural reasons. I'm sure there are crappy clinicians out there who promote it - but in general it seems to be more progressive clinicians working there.

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Honestly they'd probably say it's your decision but there's no medical benefit and it's only done for cosmetics/cultural reasons. I'm sure there are crappy clinicians out there who promote it - but in general it seems to be more progressive clinicians working there.
Seems sound to me.
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Hmm... Well do you know what sort of advice they would give on this issue if asked?
Good question. I guess we could all walk into our local PP's and ask them as an experiment.

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So, I finally got around to looking at the website myself, and here's the full Q &A:

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/pp2...rcumcision.xml

A lot more wishy-washy then the OP led me to believe. "Penises with foreskins require a little extra care" "Some boys do need to be circumcised later," UGH. Really nothing to be proud of there, I'm sorry to say.

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So, I finally got around to looking at the website myself, and here's the full Q &A:

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/pp2...rcumcision.xml

A lot more wishy-washy then the OP led me to believe. "Penises with foreskins require a little extra care" "Some boys do need to be circumcised later," UGH. Really nothing to be proud of there, I'm sorry to say.
I kept wondering what everyone else here was reading. I admit my distrust of PP made me go seek out exactly what the OP was talking about, and I was not impressed, but I think other's blind trust of PP made them jump to some conclusion that this was great.

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Good question. I guess we could all walk into our local PP's and ask them as an experiment.
I can not, what with not living in America.

Those who do certainly should though! Please do so and give us the response given, perhaps even just phone them up to ask.


As for their actual Q&A stance, well, ugh, not what I had hoped for but this:

"Today, routine circumcision is considered elective surgery without medical benefits."

was very good. Although what do they mean about intact penises requiring more care? Last time I checked they do not need to be wrapped up in bloody gauze or have vaseline applied to them to stop the faeces of their diapers giving them penile infections...
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Oh well I actually think their Q&A about circ is quite lacking and still spreading myths about circ. :

Another bad quote from the Q&A on PP:
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and he must be taught to pull back and wash under the foreskin. Until he can do this for himself, you can gently pull back the foreskin for him and wash under it during bathing.

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Oh well I actually think their Q&A about circ is quite lacking and still spreading myths about circ. :

Another bad quote from the Q&A on PP:
Well it did help combat that retraction myth and say this: "Although rare, complications include excessive bleeding, infection, scarring, and damage to the penis."

And its comment about some requiring circumcisions later on in life was, techically, correct. If its wording had been something more along the lines of "A tiny, minute and virtually negligible number might need it in later life" then I would be happier.

Try emailing them, I already have and a concentrated effort might have some effect.

Oh and please give them a call and pretend to ask for advice on the issue!
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